The NRA strikes back!!

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In very few cases did the confiscating officers identify themselves, or even what agency they worked for. Frequently, they only wore raid outfits, or tactical BDU's, and would not have their names or their agencies displayed. When they took the guns, you had no way of knowing with certainty exactly who was stealing them--and that is what most of this amounted to--armed robbery by cop!
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Sounds like something from a Matt Bracken book.

*Straps on tin-foil hat*
 
I prefer "youse."

Was just listening to an interview with the author of the aforementioned book on the Guntalk podcast. Sounds worth a read, although I'd probably better lay in a supply of antacids first, and maybe some blood pressure medicine.

A.
 
Lets just say I live in CA and I am no longer a lifetime member of the NRA. I never saw one cent of the money I sent them.( I know I'm not the only person in CA that feels that way.)
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Yeah they had to go fight that stupid mess in San Francisco if you will remember.

Nah, they never do anything in California......

They spent a fortune fighting the SF handgun ban.

See you want the NRA to spend all of their money in California, they have to spread it out. You live in a state with more laws that need fighting than pretty much anyone else and you expect MORE than your fair share of the money. That's YOUR fault, not NRA or anyone elses.

On June 13, 2006, San Francisco Superior Court Judge James Warren struck down the San Francisco handgun ban, asserting that under California law local officials do not have the authority to ban firearms from law-abiding citizens. The National Rifle Association (NRA) opposed the ban from its inception.

NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre stated, “This ruling is a major victory for freedom and for the National Rifle Association. Proposition H was an ill-conceived gun ban scheme that would have violated the rights of only the law-abiding in San Francisco. We fought this outrageous attack on the constitutional rights of the good guys and we prevailed. We are determined not to see this gross injustice happen again and will fight any effort by politicians to resurrect this faulty proposal.”
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Tab,

Don't let the other people here get to you. They don't understand. I do.

You don't belong to the national NRA and you're not a member of the two California gun rights organizations either but you have a right to be unhappy about the awful situation of gun owners in California.

We need to do a much better job of carrying you on our backs. It's your right to expect better service.

Guys, we need to try harder to make Tab happy. He's entitled. He's a gun owner and he breathes.

Tab, you say you "doubt that the NRA is the only group trying to do something likes this." You're right: the NRA and the Second Amendment Foundation have partnered in this work. Those are the only two gun rights organizations in this entire country to do it. I doubt that you know what you're talking about, but you have a computer to make it well known publicly.

It's hard to argue against your statement that you "have never once seen a high ranking NRA member at a 'rally' at the capitol or a city/ county council meeting." I wonder why high ranking NRA officials dosn't attend the California rallies or the city/council meetings.

I can see why you and other California gun owners who think the way you do won't support the NRA because of that awful behavior. It's the same reason why I won't pay taxes to support the police, the army, or the fire department until I actually see them do something for me. If the police don't shoot at least one criminal in front of my house before December 31 this year I am not going to send them a New Years card this year either. Count on it.

Listen, I'm really distressed by all the bad things being done to you. I think it's awful that your Internet service provider sabotaged the mighty blow for gun rights you were making with that "rather nice long post" you had going. I'm sure you would have reversed the Assault Weapons Ban in California with it, and probably also fixed the problems of global warming too. That must have been a powerful "rather nice long post" you were writing before your ISP stopped supporting computer connections in California. After expending all that energy you deserve a rest for sure:

I do "do something about".... I had a rather nice long post going, but thanks to a connection lasp it went away... oh well, I do write letters to my representatives.

Just becuase I am not a member of a "party"( and beleave me the NRA is a political party) does not make my vote anyless valid.
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I did not know that you could be an NRA Life Member who isn't one anymore. I thought NRA Life Members were members for, uh, like "life"? Would it be appropriate to send flowers?

I do believe you when you say that the NRA is a political party. How could anyone not believe what you say? Although I can't figure out how you manage to say it now: there must be something to spirit writing, I guess. So who is the NRA's candidate for President this year? I keep going in and out of touch with what's going on. Sort of like an ethereal Internet connection that drops me every once in a while is the best way I can describe it. When the connection is restored I sometimes see real crazy things on my computer screen. It's as if strange creatures from the beyond are trying to communicate with the living or as if some of the living live in a strange world of their own creation.

I'm going to complain to somebody.
 
What took them so long?
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Isn't NRA the org that poured resources in and filed the injunction that forced N.O to cease taking the guns in the first place? And they succeeded.

Do you expect them to have magical powers and be able to snap their fingers and make Nagin give 'em back?
 
The legal gears grind slowly, and the NRA has been involved in this fight since the beginning. Meanwhile, the NOLA mayor's office and PD have been doing everything they can do to stonewall the exposure of their obviously illegal actions.

The NRA and SAF refuse to "go away." Kudos for them.
 
Just a short note to thank Gordon for his excellent book The Great New Orleans Gun Grab (written with Todd Masson), and for taking the time to further enlighten us by contributing to this thread.

I personally really appreciate what you guys (together with the NRA et al) are doing.

Unfortunately the only thing that thugs like Nagin and his gang understand is when it hits them personally in the wallet. Otherwise they just continue trampling all over everybody's rights with nary a care in the world for the consequences of their criminal actions.
 
I am just curious...

I am not a lawyer, but I am curious if El Tejon, Robert Hairless or someone else in the legal profession can enlighten us about the INDIVIDUAL accountability of the perpetrators of the NOLA constitutional abuse issues as allegedly ordered by Mayor Nagin and Eddie Compass.
Is there any legal mechanism that will permit criminal prosecution of these officials? If so, how does it get started and how would it proceed? Is there anything a private citizen or activist group can do to start such an action?

I may be wrong, but it seems to me making these people criminally accountable in the courts for their willingness to trample The Bill of Rights and the constitution in general coupled with theft of personal property, MIGHT be a deterent to future elected officials and/or LEOs in similar future situations.

I believe it is imperative that such officials must not be insulated from their criminality because of their elected status. Otherwise, what is there to keep them at bay? Joe Average becomes little more than prey then, doesn't he? And politicians become little moore than "legally elected" gangsters, don't they?

Poper
 
I am not a lawyer, but I am curious if El Tejon, Robert Hairless or someone else in the legal profession can enlighten us about the INDIVIDUAL accountability of the perpetrators of the NOLA constitutional abuse issues as allegedly ordered by Mayor Nagin and Eddie Compass.
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IANAL, NDISAAHIELN; but I believe the first step is that there has to be a ruling that the confiscations were illegal. We've haven't gotten that yet, as that's what this case is about. Once we do get that then there could be civil suits filed against the various agencies that participated along with the individual officers.

A good parallel would be Rodney King. Once he won the criminial trial , then he was was able to file a civil suit seeking monetary damages for violations of his civil rights.
 
RH,

I'm with you !!!! I'm calling Todd Vandermyde, the NRA's Illinois lobbyist and tell him to move to CA.

Also I want him to take all the money I've sent the NRA-ILA; as the regular dues can't be used for political purposes, just the magazine, training and education purposes; and send that along, as heck it's not needed here in Illinois or Washington, D.C.

I'm willing to cinch up the straps and help do more to carry TAB and his ilk.
 
I believe the first step is that there has to be a ruling that the confiscations were illegal.
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OK, but....
1) Doesn't it stand to reason that the injunction stopping the confiscations and subsequent orders of the court requiring return of confiscated property establish impropriety and wrongfull taking of property, I.E. theft?

2) To the best of my knowledge, it doesn't require settlement of a lawsuit for charges to be filed if someone steals my S&W Model 15. Why can't criminal charges be filed against Nagin and/or Compass?

3) Is ordering violation of a person's 2nd Amendment rights by an elected official a criminal act?

Again, my knowledge of law and lawyers is limited, but it would be comforting to know that a despot who orders such actions could/would be held criminally liable for their acts.

Poper
 
Doesn't it stand to reason that the injunction stopping the confiscations and subsequent orders of the court requiring return of confiscated property establish impropriety and wrongfull taking of property, I.E. theft?
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Not necessarily. What an injunction does is say: "Stop what your doing until the court gets a chance to hear both sides and make a decision (ruling) as to whether or not this is/was lawful ?" The return of the confiscated guns is merely acknowledging that the "emergency" is over. The court could still rule, that during the "emergency" the confiscations were lawful.
 
The court could still rule, that during the "emergency" the confiscations were lawful.
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If I understand this statement correctly, this means if the court rules in favor of Nagin and Co., it would in essence be saying it is legal for a Mayor and/or Police Superintendent/Commissioner or [ enter your favorite government official here] to suspend the U.S. Constitution Bill of Rights in an emergency situation?

Not a pretty thought .....! :eek:

Poper
 
For those of you who keep on insisting that the NRA is useless
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Although I don't consider the NRA useless, I do wish they'd stop selling out when we really need them to stand firmly against gun control bills. However, I'm really glad to see them doing some good...considering the money they get.

It's still not enough to change my decision to send my membership money to JFPO instead next year.

Edit: If it's so difficult to find gun owners who were victimized, here's a thought. Instead of hiring PIs they could do what injury attorneys do for class action suits and take out a TV add for people to contact them...Maybe that's in the plans, but considering they only have until mid February, I'd think they'd have done it already.
 
If I understand this statement correctly, this means if the court rules in favor of Nagin and Co., it would in essence be saying it is legal for a Mayor and/or Police Superintendent/Commissioner or [enter your favorite government official here] to suspend the U.S. Constitution Bill of Rights in an emergency situation?
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That's what that would mean... that any local tin pot nanny politician could effectively declare Martial Law and suspend the Constitution on a whim.

God help us if this is the way the courts rules.

Nagin is precisely the kind of ignorant, power grabbing cretin the Constitution was written to protect us from. If that document means anything, both he and the NOLA Superintendent of Police should do federal time.
 
Tab,

Robert Hairless has me weeping for you poor souls in kaliforny, so if you will send me an address I'll try to get some of our po sothern folks hear in Alybam to take up a kollection for you po Kalliforny folks to make up for the neglect of that sorry polectical organization the NRA. Y'all come now!

On the serious side, I'm glad to hear that Nagen and the NOPD are finally going to have to face up to what they did. I'm a firm supporter of LE but when they think they have become the law unto themselves then that's where I draw the line!

OOPS, just noticed that I don't have my NRA membership noted in my sigline!:banghead:
 
Nagin is precisely the kind of ignorant, power grabbing cretin the Constitution was written to protect us from. If that document means anything, both he and the NOLA Superintendent of Police should do federal time.
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+1000

Would Pay to see that!
 
Oh, Robert. Do you bite your tongue while it's in your cheek so much? :D

I almost missed the sarcasm, but it kept hitting me about the head and neck and I couldn't ignore it. My motto is that if you want to :cuss: about something, you'd better have a good idea as a counter or else you do no good.
 
Nagin is precisely the kind of ignorant, power grabbing cretin the Constitution was written to protect us from. If that document means anything, both he and the NOLA Superintendent of Police should do federal time.
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PAshooter, I couldn't have said it better myself.

The fact that NOLA residents voted this thug in again AFTER his miserable performance dealing - or more accurately failing to deal with Katrina, and blaming everyone else, of course - just astounds me.
 
Edit: If it's so difficult to find gun owners who were victimized, here's a thought. Instead of hiring PIs they could do what injury attorneys do for class action suits and take out a TV add for people to contact them...Maybe that's in the plans, but considering they only have until mid February, I'd think they'd have done it already.
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It's not quite that simple. The population of New Orleans is less than two thirds of what it was before. It's quite likely that a large number of the victims no longer live anywhere near New Orleans or even the state of Louisiana.
 
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