usp9
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OH!?
ONUS. I thought you said A...
Both words work for me.
ONUS. I thought you said A...
Both words work for me.
The onus must be on the pro gun Lobby
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Aussieseek
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GUN POLL
naw theres about 40 Progun Posters dere and over a thousand pro gun posts, But because its a general
forum. Shock Horror there are other opinions welcome. Now cortez cant work that out.Ive been here seeking posters who are calm and balanced to balance the bias
And thanks !! I think its important you see why he was sent to the syn byn. He must like it inside And some Guyz like it in Jail ?
he ( cortez) said
"I wouldn't worry about them.
They aren't going to reply.
None of them have the capability of putting together a single, coherent, original thought. They rely instead, on the rehearsed rhetoric of their group.
Before they defecate, they have a group meeting each time to try to remember how it's done, which explains why they are so full of it. They simply don't know how to rid themselves of it.
They're just scum.
Posted by Not Tom ( Darius) (Cortez) and using a dozen other names
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Only two posters have been banned in ten years out of thousands one for racism and cortez
He was asked to rejoin as he said but gets more of a buzz
as as a martyr
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Poll Question: Do you think gun control laws reduce crime ?
Should Guns be kept in a house with kids?
Should federally-gun buyback programs continue?
Should shooting be banned as an olympic sport"
Should there be stricter gun laws ?
Should Gun Laws be Relaxed?
Should all Guns be kept at Shooting Ranges?
Is it OK for people to carry concealed Weapons?
Should manufacturers be liable for misuse
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naw theres about 40 Progun Posters dere and over a thousand pro gun posts, But because its a general
forum. Shock Horror there are other opinions welcome. Now cortez cant work that out.Ive been here seeking posters who are calm and balanced to balance the bias
And thanks !! I think its important you see why he was sent to the syn byn. He must like it inside And some Guyz like it in Jail ?
he ( cortez) said
"I wouldn't worry about them.
They aren't going to reply.
None of them have the capability of putting together a single, coherent, original thought. They rely instead, on the rehearsed rhetoric of their group.
Before they defecate, they have a group meeting each time to try to remember how it's done, which explains why they are so full of it. They simply don't know how to rid themselves of it.
They're just scum.
Posted by Not Tom ( Darius) (Cortez) and using a dozen other names
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Only two posters have been banned in ten years out of thousands one for racism and cortez
He was asked to rejoin as he said but gets more of a buzz
as as a martyr
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Whats Not Hot at the moment
Poll Question: Do you think gun control laws reduce crime ?
Should Guns be kept in a house with kids?
Should federally-gun buyback programs continue?
Should shooting be banned as an olympic sport"
Should there be stricter gun laws ?
Should Gun Laws be Relaxed?
Should all Guns be kept at Shooting Ranges?
Is it OK for people to carry concealed Weapons?
Should manufacturers be liable for misuse
-------
People have mixed feelings about whether tougher gun laws or stricter
enforcement are the most effective way to cut violence
and killings and we here at Aussieseek want to know.
Vote or encourage your supporters to vote in this survey
the results of which will be distributed to all media worldwide
The battle in the arena of public opinion is a warm-up for the battle
in the halls of government. Here's how you can stop the passage of laws
restricting freedom, and promote reform of existing laws that infringe
your rights
Thank you very much for your Opinion. You must login or register to
vote. A Vote for a topic will be considered as the afirmative
IF YOUR ANSWER IS A YES TO ANY OF THE QUESTIONS THEN GIVE IT YOUR VOTE
There has been much discussion on this board of Lately with many
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Lets Find some Answers as we put it to our members with the
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Cortez
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I'm sorry to keep distracting this Forum by refuting the rubbish that Aussieseek chooses to put here. I think the two quotes I supplied from ex users of his "forum" says a lot about the man.
As regards his latest poll that he mentions above. This is what some of our pro gun owners have said about it:
AND
AND
What do the anti -gun people say about the poll?:
From Amercian TOM:
AND from "cardigan" (AKA Tom???):
This whole thing is a set up as AussieSeek well knows - hell, he designed it. Again you have to wonder why he keeps posting this stuff on this forum. I believe he is trying to achieve a respectability that he does not have in Australia on his own Forum.
As for me staying banned by choice - absolutely correct. I do have some standards left and I prefer to stay out of the sewer. It is significant that Aussieseek still permits the abuse by gun haters, TOM, starightshooter and cardigan, to remain on his forum without comment or amendment.
I believe that says a lot about Aussieseek.
As regards his latest poll that he mentions above. This is what some of our pro gun owners have said about it:
AND
AND
What do the anti -gun people say about the poll?:
From Amercian TOM:
AND from "cardigan" (AKA Tom???):
This whole thing is a set up as AussieSeek well knows - hell, he designed it. Again you have to wonder why he keeps posting this stuff on this forum. I believe he is trying to achieve a respectability that he does not have in Australia on his own Forum.
As for me staying banned by choice - absolutely correct. I do have some standards left and I prefer to stay out of the sewer. It is significant that Aussieseek still permits the abuse by gun haters, TOM, starightshooter and cardigan, to remain on his forum without comment or amendment.
I believe that says a lot about Aussieseek.
Cortez
member
There is one other issue I should address about Aussieseek, as he tried very hard to have me banned from this forum soon after I joined by lodging a complaint with Bartholomew Roberts. He was tryinig to deny me a voice on any message board anywhere.
The so-called "abuse" that he keeps referring to was what I wrote in repy to the anti gun group on his forum, who refused to answer questions and criticisms, to wit:
Now some of you may consider this to be abuse. I do not. I was merely commenting on their intellectual state and the disrepair of their autonomic systems, and I still stand by what I said.
What upsets Aussieseek is that he tried to join the group of Tom, sharpshooter and cardigan but was refused because it was felt he would not be able to match their high intellectual standards.
It says a lot about Aussieseek that he still permits the following abuse, which was directed at me by a number of anti gun posters, to remain on his forum. This abuse was generated after I revealed that I was a disabled Vietnam war veteran. People of my ilk are still hated by a large portion of the younger population because of our service in this war. They believe we should be locked up and lobotomised. Here's some of the abuse:
I think you get the gist and I won't bore you with anymore of this rubbish.
Aussiueseek is not to be trusted - pure and simple.
The so-called "abuse" that he keeps referring to was what I wrote in repy to the anti gun group on his forum, who refused to answer questions and criticisms, to wit:
Now some of you may consider this to be abuse. I do not. I was merely commenting on their intellectual state and the disrepair of their autonomic systems, and I still stand by what I said.
What upsets Aussieseek is that he tried to join the group of Tom, sharpshooter and cardigan but was refused because it was felt he would not be able to match their high intellectual standards.
It says a lot about Aussieseek that he still permits the following abuse, which was directed at me by a number of anti gun posters, to remain on his forum. This abuse was generated after I revealed that I was a disabled Vietnam war veteran. People of my ilk are still hated by a large portion of the younger population because of our service in this war. They believe we should be locked up and lobotomised. Here's some of the abuse:
I think you get the gist and I won't bore you with anymore of this rubbish.
Aussiueseek is not to be trusted - pure and simple.
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And what about now?
Besides, the British Home Office has played with statistics in the past. For example for a time incidents involving air weapons were classed under crimes involving "firearms". Post legislation, air weapons were no longer included.
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Jim March
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All I need to see regarding "Aussieseek" is this bit from his/her first post in this thread:
"A British citizen is still 50 times less likely to be a victim of gun homicide than an American."
I rather doubt that but let's say it's true. (The "British Citizen" part is almost certainly a way to exclude immigrants, esp. from violent cultures like the Jamaicans, Middle East, etc.)
The real lie is the sentence itself: can somebody please explain to me why "gun homicide" is any worse than any OTHER kind of homicide?
Seriously. "Oh God, Sammy is dead but hey, at least he was bludgeoned to death by a herd of midgets, it could have been SO much worse, he could have been SHOT!"
What everybody should be concerned with is murder rate - plain and simple.
And when you do that, you have to confront societal violence where it starts: at the cultural level. Which inevitably LOOKS racist when you view it that way, even though it isn't, but it makes Liberals freak out.
Which is why the societal/cultural roots of violence goes untreated.
Example: last time I looked at the FBI/DOJ homicide numbers (2002 data), there were 10,000ish murders in the US in which the race of the offender was known. And out of those cases, the perpetrator was African-American 55% of the time. By contrast that population is only 15% of the US population. If you exclude black-committed murders from the US data you get a murder rate (and crime rate across the board on down to lesser crimes) very similar to most European crime rates and significantly below Britain on all counts, murder included.
A Liberal couldn't say that without wondering whether or not they're racists. Anybody sane realizes that past genuine racism has severely warped the the inner-city black culture (the "hip-hop culture" which has spread to Britain!) and turned it into an insanely violent mess.
Detroit is a good example. They've finally eased up on rabid gun control and their murder rate is dropping. But as of approximately year 2000, they were so screwed up that a bizarre statistic occured:
Let's say the US decided to take the county in Michigan where Detroit is, and gift it to Canada. The moment they did so, the murder rates in the US and Canadian murder rates would equalize! Yikes.
"A British citizen is still 50 times less likely to be a victim of gun homicide than an American."
I rather doubt that but let's say it's true. (The "British Citizen" part is almost certainly a way to exclude immigrants, esp. from violent cultures like the Jamaicans, Middle East, etc.)
The real lie is the sentence itself: can somebody please explain to me why "gun homicide" is any worse than any OTHER kind of homicide?
Seriously. "Oh God, Sammy is dead but hey, at least he was bludgeoned to death by a herd of midgets, it could have been SO much worse, he could have been SHOT!"
What everybody should be concerned with is murder rate - plain and simple.
And when you do that, you have to confront societal violence where it starts: at the cultural level. Which inevitably LOOKS racist when you view it that way, even though it isn't, but it makes Liberals freak out.
Which is why the societal/cultural roots of violence goes untreated.
Example: last time I looked at the FBI/DOJ homicide numbers (2002 data), there were 10,000ish murders in the US in which the race of the offender was known. And out of those cases, the perpetrator was African-American 55% of the time. By contrast that population is only 15% of the US population. If you exclude black-committed murders from the US data you get a murder rate (and crime rate across the board on down to lesser crimes) very similar to most European crime rates and significantly below Britain on all counts, murder included.
A Liberal couldn't say that without wondering whether or not they're racists. Anybody sane realizes that past genuine racism has severely warped the the inner-city black culture (the "hip-hop culture" which has spread to Britain!) and turned it into an insanely violent mess.
Detroit is a good example. They've finally eased up on rabid gun control and their murder rate is dropping. But as of approximately year 2000, they were so screwed up that a bizarre statistic occured:
Let's say the US decided to take the county in Michigan where Detroit is, and gift it to Canada. The moment they did so, the murder rates in the US and Canadian murder rates would equalize! Yikes.
G36-UK
Member
Well, now the crime rate's went so high, the antis have to lie about replicas in order to get them banned. They've made up crap about how Airsoft guns can fire live ammo.
sterling180
Member
Meddling Antis at Work AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
G-36 UK
If you remember back to 2001, the Labour party announced that it "Will not put anymore restrictions on any firearms or airguns in the future",-unfortuantely they banned air-cartridge revolvers in May 2004, on the request of the Association of Cheif Constables because apparentley these guns could and have been converted to fire the .38 and .38 special cartridge-making them the poor-mans saturday night-special.Replicas and airsoft weapons are under scrutiny, because the GCN has been forcing their will on the government again, because they suggested a ban in the late 1990s AND NO ONE HAD LISTENED TO THEM.s.
:banghead:
THIS ORGANIZATION IS A VIRUS THAT KEEPS ON GROWING, UNTIL IT INFECTS THE MINDS OF EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What a load of crap-no more further restrictions. One hopes that these SUGGESTED bans will dissolve in the near future.
G-36 UKIf you remember back to 2001, the Labour party announced that it "Will not put anymore restrictions on any firearms or airguns in the future",-unfortuantely they banned air-cartridge revolvers in May 2004, on the request of the Association of Cheif Constables because apparentley these guns could and have been converted to fire the .38 and .38 special cartridge-making them the poor-mans saturday night-special.Replicas and airsoft weapons are under scrutiny, because the GCN has been forcing their will on the government again, because they suggested a ban in the late 1990s AND NO ONE HAD LISTENED TO THEM.s.
:banghead: THIS ORGANIZATION IS A VIRUS THAT KEEPS ON GROWING, UNTIL IT INFECTS THE MINDS OF EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What a load of crap-no more further restrictions. One hopes that these SUGGESTED bans will dissolve in the near future.
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Zen21Tao
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Some people need to go back to school and learn the difference between correlation and causation. Lets say that by some wierd coincidence that everytime I drink coffee it rains. Did my drinking coffee "cause" the rain? Of course not, the two events were independent of one another but simply occured at the same time. The same often occurs with gun bans. We see a reduction in gun crimes while a ban is in place and the antis contribute it to the ban when in fact the reduced crimes are "caused" by other factors lik stricter law enforcement and a better economy.
For anyone interested here is the valid method for generating a causal inference. It requires a 2 x 2 matrix with the following statistics:
A. Gun ban w/ reduced crime. B. Gun ban w/out reduced crime. C. no ban w/reduced crime. D. No ban w/out reduced crime. If A/B is greater then C/D then cause can be infered. The most common errors (infering cause when none is apparent) occur when A is a very large # and when A is directly compared with D (w/out considering B and C). Notice that these types of errors are most often the statistical sitations antis use to make their arguments.
let me make another point that someone else made. It seems logical that if you reduce the number of guns in circulation then the number of crimes commited with guns could very well drop. But, did the criminal decide not to commit the crime or simply change weapons? Also, I would like to see a study designed to see the % of guns in circulation used in a crime and how that number changes with the reduction in overall number of guns. For example, (hypothetical figures to express point) 12% of all guns in circulation is used in crimes before a ban and then following a ban 71% of guns in circulation are used in criminal activities. (Again, this was only a hypothetical stat used to express my point.)
Fred Fuller
Moderator Emeritus
That was not a question, it was a diatribe.
And what Aussieseek is looking for is not rational, informed discussion, instead what is sought is an opportunity to sermonize regarding a point of view and a set of opinions at variance with those of the majority of the members of this forum.
Suggestion: try http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/ . There are fellow travelers of yours there and your recepion is likely to be hearty.
lpl/nc
And what Aussieseek is looking for is not rational, informed discussion, instead what is sought is an opportunity to sermonize regarding a point of view and a set of opinions at variance with those of the majority of the members of this forum.
Suggestion: try http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/ . There are fellow travelers of yours there and your recepion is likely to be hearty.
lpl/nc
G36-UK
Member
I've actually notice that the "Gungeon" part of DU is actually quite sane on the topic, with the exception of BillBuckhead and Paladin.
I suppose that may have something to do with BenEzra being the voice of reason there. I think he was on the Kerry forums when I was there.
I suppose that may have something to do with BenEzra being the voice of reason there. I think he was on the Kerry forums when I was there.
Carl N. Brown
Member
This is based on the FBI Uniform Crime Report table on Justifiable
Homicides, and reflects only guns used to kill in self defense,
according to police reports. The FBI UCR also states that its
reports do not reflect adjudication by prosecuting attorney,
grand jury, trial judge or trial jury: only police crime reports.
Not too many jurisdictions allow investigating officers to
adjuducate homicides.
In 2001 the FBI UCR reported 176 justifiable homicides of felons
shot dead in the act of committing a felony by civilians, about
equal to the number shot dead by police officers that year.
Gary Kleck found there were 8,000 to 16,000 justifiable woundings
per year in defensive gun use, and 1.1 million to 2.5 million civilian
defensive gun uses, over three-fourths not involving firing the gun.
So justifiable homicide by civilian of felon in act of committing a felony
according to police report is a narrow slice of the defensive gun use pie.
The gun laws are most effective at disarming the law abiding, not
the criminal: the result oftem appears to be the emboldening of the
unarmed criminal in assaulting the law-abiding citizen seen as disarmed.
Also, most of those 12,000 gun deaths in the USA are suicides; the
relevance of those deaths to self defense use escapes me.
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BOO-BOO ALERT! The 12,000 gun deaths figure began to bug me.
I knew it was not gun homicides, and presumed it was the
traditional anti trick of talking about homicides then quoting
total homicides, suicides and accidents as gun deaths.
But the number did not sound right, so I checked the FBI UCR
2001 which shows 8,719 shooting homicides. Hmmm.
The 12,000 figure might be the peak number of shooting
homicides during the late 1980s cocaine epidemic. Current
suicides, homicides and accidents are more than 12,000.
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sterling180
Member
ALL RIGHT ENOUGH OF THIS RUBBISH ABOUT THE UK STATISTICS
TO ALL WHO SAY TALK ABOUT CRIME RATES!!!!!!!!!!
The UK as a nation does not tolerate guns and other weapons, because idiots like those men mentioned before as mass-murderers have killed people with guns, got them legally, BY A FIREARMS LICENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IT DOES NOT MATTER WHEATHER OR NOT THERE WAS A FOUL UP IN THE LICENSING ADMINISTRATION, THE AUTHORITIES AND CIVILLIAN POPULATION DO NOT WANT A PSYCOPATH RUNNING AMOCK WITH A LETHAL COLLECTION OF WEAPONS KILLING PEOPLE AT RANDOM.
PSYCOTIC MILITARY FANATICS AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE LIFES LOSERS CLUB, ARE MORE LIKELY TO KILL ALOT OF PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY HAVE FAILED TO ACHEIVE ANYTHING IN THEIR SAD LITTLE LIVES.
BEFORE 1987 THE CIVILLIAN POPULATION WAS UNAWARE OF WHAT TYPES OF GUNS THAT WERE AVAILABLE TO US IN THE UK,AFTER HUNGERFORD THEY KNEW ABOUT SOME AND DEMANDED A BAN. WEST INDIAN YARDIE SCUMBAGS-WHO SHOULD BE PUT BEFORE A FIRING SQUAD AND EXECUTED WITH THEIR OWN GUNS-BRING MISERY AND HURT TO THE JAMACIAN POPULATION AND TO OTHERS AS WELL, THESE PEOPLE USE THEIR OWN ILLEGAL GUNS AND NOT LEGAL GUNS.
THESE YARDIES DON'T VALUE LIFE AND THE UK SHOULDN'T VALUE THEIRS AT ALL.ALL THESE STATISTICS ARE RUBBISH AND ARE ONLY APPLICABLE TO ILLEGALLY-HELD WEAPONS, BECAUSE WHO THE HELL WANTS TO ROB A GUNSHOP AND STEAL LEGAL-WEAPONS, WHEN YOU'LL HAVE EVERY COP, IN EVERY COUNTY IN THE COUNTRY AFTER YOU.
I HATE IT WHEN PEOPLE RELY ON STATISTICS, LIKE THE NRA DO, TO JUSTIFY GUN-BANS.VIOLENT-CRIME RATE IS UP BECAUSE OF THE DRUG INDUSTRY AND BECAUSE THERE IS A BREAKDOWN IN DISCIPLINE.YARDIES HAVE BEEN USING AUTOMATIC WEAPONS SINCE THE 1980S, WHEN WE WERE ALLOWED TO HAVE THEM.:
TO ALL WHO SAY TALK ABOUT CRIME RATES!!!!!!!!!!
The UK as a nation does not tolerate guns and other weapons, because idiots like those men mentioned before as mass-murderers have killed people with guns, got them legally, BY A FIREARMS LICENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IT DOES NOT MATTER WHEATHER OR NOT THERE WAS A FOUL UP IN THE LICENSING ADMINISTRATION, THE AUTHORITIES AND CIVILLIAN POPULATION DO NOT WANT A PSYCOPATH RUNNING AMOCK WITH A LETHAL COLLECTION OF WEAPONS KILLING PEOPLE AT RANDOM.
PSYCOTIC MILITARY FANATICS AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE LIFES LOSERS CLUB, ARE MORE LIKELY TO KILL ALOT OF PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY HAVE FAILED TO ACHEIVE ANYTHING IN THEIR SAD LITTLE LIVES.
BEFORE 1987 THE CIVILLIAN POPULATION WAS UNAWARE OF WHAT TYPES OF GUNS THAT WERE AVAILABLE TO US IN THE UK,AFTER HUNGERFORD THEY KNEW ABOUT SOME AND DEMANDED A BAN. WEST INDIAN YARDIE SCUMBAGS-WHO SHOULD BE PUT BEFORE A FIRING SQUAD AND EXECUTED WITH THEIR OWN GUNS-BRING MISERY AND HURT TO THE JAMACIAN POPULATION AND TO OTHERS AS WELL, THESE PEOPLE USE THEIR OWN ILLEGAL GUNS AND NOT LEGAL GUNS.
THESE YARDIES DON'T VALUE LIFE AND THE UK SHOULDN'T VALUE THEIRS AT ALL.ALL THESE STATISTICS ARE RUBBISH AND ARE ONLY APPLICABLE TO ILLEGALLY-HELD WEAPONS, BECAUSE WHO THE HELL WANTS TO ROB A GUNSHOP AND STEAL LEGAL-WEAPONS, WHEN YOU'LL HAVE EVERY COP, IN EVERY COUNTY IN THE COUNTRY AFTER YOU.
I HATE IT WHEN PEOPLE RELY ON STATISTICS, LIKE THE NRA DO, TO JUSTIFY GUN-BANS.VIOLENT-CRIME RATE IS UP BECAUSE OF THE DRUG INDUSTRY AND BECAUSE THERE IS A BREAKDOWN IN DISCIPLINE.YARDIES HAVE BEEN USING AUTOMATIC WEAPONS SINCE THE 1980S, WHEN WE WERE ALLOWED TO HAVE THEM.:
JN01
Member
Sterling180 said:
ALL RIGHT ENOUGH OF THIS RUBBISH ABOUT THE UK STATISTICS
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TO ALL WHO SAY TALK ABOUT CRIME RATES!!!!!!!!!!
The UK as a nation does not tolerate guns and other weapons, because idiots like those men mentioned before as mass-murderers have killed people with guns, got them legally, BY A FIREARMS LICENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IT DOES NOT MATTER WHEATHER OR NOT THERE WAS A FOUL UP IN THE LICENSING ADMINISTRATION, THE AUTHORITIES AND CIVILLIAN POPULATION DO NOT WANT A PSYCOPATH RUNNING AMOCK WITH A LETHAL COLLECTION OF WEAPONS KILLING PEOPLE AT RANDOM.
If you ban guns because you don't like killings or bad guys with guns (and who does?) but then ignore the crime rates suggesting that your solution isn't working, that doesn't seem very rational.
The UK as a nation doesn't tolerate guns or other weapons, but apparently they tolerate more robbery and aggravated assault.
The crazies will always find a way to do evil, no matter what the law says.
Forbidding law-abiding citizens the ability to purchase and possess arms deprives them of a BASIC HUMAN RIGHT of self defense.
ALL RIGHT ENOUGH OF THIS RUBBISH ABOUT THE UK STATISTICS
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TO ALL WHO SAY TALK ABOUT CRIME RATES!!!!!!!!!!
The UK as a nation does not tolerate guns and other weapons, because idiots like those men mentioned before as mass-murderers have killed people with guns, got them legally, BY A FIREARMS LICENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IT DOES NOT MATTER WHEATHER OR NOT THERE WAS A FOUL UP IN THE LICENSING ADMINISTRATION, THE AUTHORITIES AND CIVILLIAN POPULATION DO NOT WANT A PSYCOPATH RUNNING AMOCK WITH A LETHAL COLLECTION OF WEAPONS KILLING PEOPLE AT RANDOM.
If you ban guns because you don't like killings or bad guys with guns (and who does?) but then ignore the crime rates suggesting that your solution isn't working, that doesn't seem very rational.
The UK as a nation doesn't tolerate guns or other weapons, but apparently they tolerate more robbery and aggravated assault.
The crazies will always find a way to do evil, no matter what the law says.
Forbidding law-abiding citizens the ability to purchase and possess arms deprives them of a BASIC HUMAN RIGHT of self defense.
Cortez
member
FOR STERLING 180
Hi!
You'll pardon me, I hope , but I didn't understand what your last posting was really about, having compared it to your previous postings.
Well, our prize idiots got theirs illegally, and I suppose if you want to be trite about it, our biggest idiot, Martin Bryant, with his ILLEGAL guns well and truly trumps YOUR idiot, Thomas Hamilton, of Dunblane fame, whose guns WERE licensed.
Therefore, your point is what?
After the draconian legislation put in place by our Prime Minister, following the Port Arthur Massacre, "to make the community safer" and "prevent further massacres", this same PM, whilst addressing a group of angry gun owners in Sale Victoria, (and wearing a bullet proof vest under his suit jacket) soon after the massacre, made the following astonishing admission on TV:
I still shake my head at that one.
I'm also curious about the following statement of yours:
Is that aimed at someone in the UK in particular or is it an initimation that military personnel, past and present, are "psychotic" and "fanatics"? If so, that would be grossly offensive to people like me and, I imagine, a lot of US veterans on this forum. I believe an explanation is in order.
Finally, this quote of yours really popped my eyes:
You are kidding, aren't you? Or perhaps the British crook is of a different species to every other crook in the world. In Australia, the most popular places to steal from are as follows, in order of popularity:
Defence Force armouries - large selection of a wide variety of weaponry
Large gun shops -same reason
Security Guards - because although they are permitted to carry firearms, they don't use them for fear of prosecution. These are becoming an increasingly popular target these days in Australia.
Police Stations - they keep their Glocks in their station safes. The number of Glocks stolen each year from police stations is really quite scandalous.
Private, licensed individuals - rare, because how do you know that a person has firearms? Well these days, crooks are rolling up to particular addresses with the appropriate toolage to open safes, because they know that a particular place has firearms of a certain type, How do they know? The police computer records of licensed gun owners and their firearms, are available at most police stations and are mostly controlled by civilian staff.
Here in Australia, you won't have every cop in the country after you at all. They are, for the most part, too heavily tied up in carrying out close surveillance of licensed firearms owners, including regular house inspections state wide, or in manning radar speed traps around the countryside, in revenue raising exercises.
Hell, in Australia, if you riing an emergency number for police assistance, you'll be lucky if you see one within two hours.
So tell me again, what your point was, in idyllic UK, please.
Hi!
You'll pardon me, I hope , but I didn't understand what your last posting was really about, having compared it to your previous postings.
Well, our prize idiots got theirs illegally, and I suppose if you want to be trite about it, our biggest idiot, Martin Bryant, with his ILLEGAL guns well and truly trumps YOUR idiot, Thomas Hamilton, of Dunblane fame, whose guns WERE licensed.
Therefore, your point is what?
After the draconian legislation put in place by our Prime Minister, following the Port Arthur Massacre, "to make the community safer" and "prevent further massacres", this same PM, whilst addressing a group of angry gun owners in Sale Victoria, (and wearing a bullet proof vest under his suit jacket) soon after the massacre, made the following astonishing admission on TV:
I still shake my head at that one.
I'm also curious about the following statement of yours:
Is that aimed at someone in the UK in particular or is it an initimation that military personnel, past and present, are "psychotic" and "fanatics"? If so, that would be grossly offensive to people like me and, I imagine, a lot of US veterans on this forum. I believe an explanation is in order.
Finally, this quote of yours really popped my eyes:
You are kidding, aren't you? Or perhaps the British crook is of a different species to every other crook in the world. In Australia, the most popular places to steal from are as follows, in order of popularity:
Defence Force armouries - large selection of a wide variety of weaponry
Large gun shops -same reason
Security Guards - because although they are permitted to carry firearms, they don't use them for fear of prosecution. These are becoming an increasingly popular target these days in Australia.
Police Stations - they keep their Glocks in their station safes. The number of Glocks stolen each year from police stations is really quite scandalous.
Private, licensed individuals - rare, because how do you know that a person has firearms? Well these days, crooks are rolling up to particular addresses with the appropriate toolage to open safes, because they know that a particular place has firearms of a certain type, How do they know? The police computer records of licensed gun owners and their firearms, are available at most police stations and are mostly controlled by civilian staff.
Here in Australia, you won't have every cop in the country after you at all. They are, for the most part, too heavily tied up in carrying out close surveillance of licensed firearms owners, including regular house inspections state wide, or in manning radar speed traps around the countryside, in revenue raising exercises.
Hell, in Australia, if you riing an emergency number for police assistance, you'll be lucky if you see one within two hours.
So tell me again, what your point was, in idyllic UK, please.
G36-UK
But anyone that has the will, time and money to modify a replica or airsoft could simply ask around the locals over a period of time and aquire a real firearm. And have far less risk of winding up with a grenade in their hands at the same time.
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Well, they aren't really lying per se, I mean one can "fire live ammo" in a piece of metal pipe for that matter as well
But anyone that has the will, time and money to modify a replica or airsoft could simply ask around the locals over a period of time and aquire a real firearm. And have far less risk of winding up with a grenade in their hands at the same time.
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Duach Laidir
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Australia unfortunately has vermin and AussieSeek may or may not be an example, I would leave that up to your good selves to think about.
Suffice to say that Benedict Arnold would probably be a buddy if they
ever meet up in the hereafter.
Duach.
Suffice to say that Benedict Arnold would probably be a buddy if they
ever meet up in the hereafter.
Duach.
Cortez
member
I think you do Benedict Arnold an injustice. At one stage he was a REAL hero.
Aussieseek
member
Are you a facist or a communist ?
Gosh....about AussieSeek cortez says (paranoid remark)
hes trying to get me banned all over the Internet. !!!!
Tell us all how thats done cortez !!!
Your little campaign to get me to Ban Pro Gun Posts was a fizzer; We are NOT a Gun Board, (although we just started ine ) we are a general board so All Opinions are welcome
It also helps the discourse.... slightly. I figured only commies were agains free speech.
The Gun argument wins because of sanity and logic. Not because of threats.
You dont see it that way I guess.
I know.youre not lateral,,, But Why dont you suggest
I should lobby for Banning computers !!!
Thats Almost as stupid as saying Banning Guns will stop crime
Everyone including GWB is a communist according to cortez and some single issue posters....
If you want to find out what you really are considered as .. try this
http://www.gravett.org/yobbo/quiz/quiz.htm
Australian Political Quiz
Welcome to the Australian political quiz - 10 questions that will help you determine your political philosophy and where you stand compared with Australian political parties
It provides the same result if youre American
Are you a facist or a communist ?
Find Out
Keith
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A response from PC who is organising another
Gun Poll/
KEITH - Interesting.
I scored:
Your economic freedom index is 15, and your social freedom index is 14.
Which puts me alongside the LDP.
PC
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Gosh....about AussieSeek cortez says (paranoid remark)
hes trying to get me banned all over the Internet. !!!!
Tell us all how thats done cortez !!!
Your little campaign to get me to Ban Pro Gun Posts was a fizzer; We are NOT a Gun Board, (although we just started ine ) we are a general board so All Opinions are welcome
It also helps the discourse.... slightly. I figured only commies were agains free speech.
The Gun argument wins because of sanity and logic. Not because of threats.
You dont see it that way I guess.
I know.youre not lateral,,, But Why dont you suggest
I should lobby for Banning computers !!!
Thats Almost as stupid as saying Banning Guns will stop crime
Everyone including GWB is a communist according to cortez and some single issue posters....
If you want to find out what you really are considered as .. try this
http://www.gravett.org/yobbo/quiz/quiz.htm
Australian Political Quiz
Welcome to the Australian political quiz - 10 questions that will help you determine your political philosophy and where you stand compared with Australian political parties
It provides the same result if youre American
Are you a facist or a communist ?
Find Out
Keith
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A response from PC who is organising another
Gun Poll/
KEITH - Interesting.
I scored:
Your economic freedom index is 15, and your social freedom index is 14.
Which puts me alongside the LDP.
PC
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sterling180
Member
Cortez and to everyone elso who misunderstood me
My statement is not about military personnel, both serving or retired. It is a great honour to be a member of the armed forces, like being part of a great family, as I am a member of the Royal Navy.
My previous post was not intended to offend anybody who is serving or ex-military or military-police, defence;and civil-police.It was aimed at BILLY-LIARS, WALTER-MITTYS AND OTHER ASSOCIATED MORONS,[B] who-despite of being quite somewhat perculiar-are usually harmless[/B], but some of them have and have had the aptitude and ability to acquire firearms legally, and some have killed many thus tarnishing the positive image that we shooters are trying to show to our respective governments;communities, that we are not quite all like them....the weirdos, freaks and other undesirables,that are not fit to hold a toy gun-let alone a real one-but manage to have an unhealthy interest in them, as opposed to us normal folks-who shoot with pride and dignity.
These tossers are attracted to firearms and knives to satisfy their inept failings as normal-functioning human-beings, and view guns and also knives and swords, as a crutch to lean on-to make them feel more powerful inside.
Examples of such persons include:Thomas Hamilton, Micheal Ryan, Patrick Purdey,James Huberty, Eric Harris and Dylan Kleinbold, Luke Woodham, Barry Loukatis, Colin Ferguson,Andrew Golden and Mitchell Johnson. These sicko scumbags, that I have listed are DEFINATELY A TOTAL DISCRACE TO SHOOTING, EVERYWHERE AND THEIR MISERABLE LIVES ARE WORTH TOTALLY LESS THAN THE FINE WEAPONS THAT THEY HAD USED IN THEIR KILLING SPREES.
This however is not and I REPEAT NOT pointed at you other military or police members or anyone else on this website. I was using UK anti-speak when I was trying to describe the failures of the statistics, trying to justify bans, in the UK. Those derogetary terms I used, are widely used to describe action shooters and walter-mitty hunters.
It is sad,Really sad that we shooters in the ,UK and in Australia have to suffer the fallout at the aftermarth of the past gun-massacres and have every bloody anti on the horizon hurrying towards us-ready for the kill and depriving us of our rights.
:banghead: :banghead:
My statement is not about military personnel, both serving or retired. It is a great honour to be a member of the armed forces, like being part of a great family, as I am a member of the Royal Navy.
My previous post was not intended to offend anybody who is serving or ex-military or military-police, defence;and civil-police.It was aimed at BILLY-LIARS, WALTER-MITTYS AND OTHER ASSOCIATED MORONS,[B] who-despite of being quite somewhat perculiar-are usually harmless[/B], but some of them have and have had the aptitude and ability to acquire firearms legally, and some have killed many thus tarnishing the positive image that we shooters are trying to show to our respective governments;communities, that we are not quite all like them....the weirdos, freaks and other undesirables,that are not fit to hold a toy gun-let alone a real one-but manage to have an unhealthy interest in them, as opposed to us normal folks-who shoot with pride and dignity.
These tossers are attracted to firearms and knives to satisfy their inept failings as normal-functioning human-beings, and view guns and also knives and swords, as a crutch to lean on-to make them feel more powerful inside.
Examples of such persons include:Thomas Hamilton, Micheal Ryan, Patrick Purdey,James Huberty, Eric Harris and Dylan Kleinbold, Luke Woodham, Barry Loukatis, Colin Ferguson,Andrew Golden and Mitchell Johnson. These sicko scumbags, that I have listed are DEFINATELY A TOTAL DISCRACE TO SHOOTING, EVERYWHERE AND THEIR MISERABLE LIVES ARE WORTH TOTALLY LESS THAN THE FINE WEAPONS THAT THEY HAD USED IN THEIR KILLING SPREES.
This however is not and I REPEAT NOT pointed at you other military or police members or anyone else on this website. I was using UK anti-speak when I was trying to describe the failures of the statistics, trying to justify bans, in the UK. Those derogetary terms I used, are widely used to describe action shooters and walter-mitty hunters.
It is sad,Really sad that we shooters in the ,UK and in Australia have to suffer the fallout at the aftermarth of the past gun-massacres and have every bloody anti on the horizon hurrying towards us-ready for the kill and depriving us of our rights.
:banghead: :banghead:
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sterling180
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ALSO ANOTHER THING
SINCE THE HANDGUN BAN, THERE IS NO HANDGUNS TO STEAL FROM, SO THEM ONLY WAY A CROOK COULD OBTAIN FIREARMS, IS FROM ILLEGAL IMPORTS OR SUPPOSED REACTIVATIONS FROM DEACTIVATIONED GUNS, FROM BENT-ARMOURERS/GUNSMITHS.
All firearm licenses in the UK are handled by swat-cops,called FEO (Firearm Enquiry Officers, who are in SO19 or in similar Tactical Firearm Units across the country.These were considered to be most appropriate to deal with licenses, as they possessed knowledge about them.
NOW DON'T THINK THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT ROBBERS HERE ARE NO DIFFERENT TO CROOKS ELSEWHERE, JOHN FORSEY(Formally at the time Gentry's) GUN SHOP IN WELLING, KENT WAS ROBBED BY ARMED ROBBERS WHO STOLE ABOUT 8 HANDGUNS IN 1990.The cops recovered the guns and ammunition for them and arrested the two men involved.
TRADITIONAL UK VILLAINS USED GUNS AS FRIGHTENERS, AS SEEN IN LOCK STOCK AND TWO SMOKING-BARRELLS, WHERE THEY WOULD ROB AND NOT KILL FOR THE SAKE OF IT. YOU ONLY USED ONE IF YOU WERE BRAVE ENOUGH TO AND ONLY IF YOU WERE PREPARED TO SERVE THE TIME FOR ILLEGAL-POSSETION OF THEM.
ON THE OTHER HAND YARDIES AND OTHERS,DON'T ABIDE BY THIS CODE AND USE GUNS TO MURDER MORE PEOPLE IN DRIVE-BY SHOOTINGS, OR IF A PERSON/S HAVE "DISRESPECTED THEM".
THESE BANS WERE AN EXCUSE TO BAN GUNS AND NOTHING MORE. PLEASE DRAW YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS.
SINCE THE HANDGUN BAN, THERE IS NO HANDGUNS TO STEAL FROM, SO THEM ONLY WAY A CROOK COULD OBTAIN FIREARMS, IS FROM ILLEGAL IMPORTS OR SUPPOSED REACTIVATIONS FROM DEACTIVATIONED GUNS, FROM BENT-ARMOURERS/GUNSMITHS.
All firearm licenses in the UK are handled by swat-cops,called FEO (Firearm Enquiry Officers, who are in SO19 or in similar Tactical Firearm Units across the country.These were considered to be most appropriate to deal with licenses, as they possessed knowledge about them.
NOW DON'T THINK THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT ROBBERS HERE ARE NO DIFFERENT TO CROOKS ELSEWHERE, JOHN FORSEY(Formally at the time Gentry's) GUN SHOP IN WELLING, KENT WAS ROBBED BY ARMED ROBBERS WHO STOLE ABOUT 8 HANDGUNS IN 1990.The cops recovered the guns and ammunition for them and arrested the two men involved.
TRADITIONAL UK VILLAINS USED GUNS AS FRIGHTENERS, AS SEEN IN LOCK STOCK AND TWO SMOKING-BARRELLS, WHERE THEY WOULD ROB AND NOT KILL FOR THE SAKE OF IT. YOU ONLY USED ONE IF YOU WERE BRAVE ENOUGH TO AND ONLY IF YOU WERE PREPARED TO SERVE THE TIME FOR ILLEGAL-POSSETION OF THEM.
ON THE OTHER HAND YARDIES AND OTHERS,DON'T ABIDE BY THIS CODE AND USE GUNS TO MURDER MORE PEOPLE IN DRIVE-BY SHOOTINGS, OR IF A PERSON/S HAVE "DISRESPECTED THEM".
THESE BANS WERE AN EXCUSE TO BAN GUNS AND NOTHING MORE. PLEASE DRAW YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS.
Igloodude
Member
Sterling180,
On the internet, typing in all caps is usually considered the equivalent of shouting. However, unlike shouting in real life, something typed in all caps is more difficult to read and understand.
Aussielurker,
I haven't been able to make heads or tails of your first post, and more recent posts by you haven't corrected that.
On the internet, typing in all caps is usually considered the equivalent of shouting. However, unlike shouting in real life, something typed in all caps is more difficult to read and understand.
Aussielurker,
I haven't been able to make heads or tails of your first post, and more recent posts by you haven't corrected that.
mfree
Member
I would like to take the time to point out that if someone rants in all-caps using several local colloquiallisms and/or "pet names" that someone in another nation may never have heard or could make heads nor tails of, you will not get your point across, you'll simply sound like a blithering idiot.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Stiletto Null
Member
Read this thread.
It's not even on a gun board, and there were plenty of anti-gun opinions inserted, but it was both civil and cogent.
(Yes, that is a hint.)
It's not even on a gun board, and there were plenty of anti-gun opinions inserted, but it was both civil and cogent.
(Yes, that is a hint.)
I don't think that the influence of guns can be estimated by society. How many crimes are stopped because the perp thinks that he might get shot? How many people are allowed to "do their thing" because someone somewhere has a firearm.
Guns are what make society possible. Look at society BEFORE GUNS and AFTER GUNS. When viewed in that frame, it is amazing how important they have been.
Guns are what make society possible. Look at society BEFORE GUNS and AFTER GUNS. When viewed in that frame, it is amazing how important they have been.
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