The pinnacle of my re-loading career

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chrt396

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OK...I'm a seasoned reloader with a little over a month into the hobby!! I guess that makes me only somewhat dangerous!! :uhoh:

I have been having a blast..(no pun intended) trying different recipes and configurations of loads!! My wife loves my new hobby for it gets me out of the house and into the garage, where she is left with the TV all to herself. Now she can watch all those intellectually stimulating shows such as "Say Yes to the Dress" and "The Cake Boss" that I cannot stand!

I have a inexpensive Savage .308 Model 10 w/ the fluted 5R bull barrel and threaded crown. It was a special run by Savage and I'm glad I took advantage of the purchase. I was not expecting much from the rifle in the way of accuracy or quality, for it is pretty cheap..at $749. I added a Konus Pro Mil 30 4.5 x 16 for $280 which again is cheap again compared to the Nikons and Leupolds I have mounted on my hunting rifles.

I was trying out different loads for my .308 and have been listening to many opinions on this forum..and taking each one as a serious consideration. I started out using Federal MK 168g and RE-15 with CCI LR primers. I don't have the grain count for I'm at work screwing around...! The accuracy was very good! This was the load that Sierra listed as their ACCURACY LOAD! I was reading more of the forum and getting opinions about RE-15 and that a great quality substitute was IMR-4895 or H4895. Some thought they were characteristically the same..some did not. I bought some. Better accuracy by a tad..but worth the purchase. However..in every IMR4895 vs. H4895 arguement, there was always one poster that would chime in and brag about Varget. I did some research and decided to give it a try. I used the Hornady AMAX and Sierra MK 168 as a test dummy. I also used CCI BR-2 primers. Again..I don't have the weights available to me at this time.

The difference in the accuracy is fantastic!! My rifle has found its match!! Shooting off a bipod with a free floating butt at 100 yards, the groups closed up. I wasn't really concentrating THAT much on the placement or was I stabilizing the rifle with bags and stands. Even on flinches..the bullet hit close on the target. I call a flyer, one that misses group by over 3/8 inch.

I have posted one of the targets that I happened to have a picture of. It's not the best..but I happened to take the picture before I shot any more. These are 4 shot groups. One of them is 6 shots. You can tell which one. Am I wrong to assume or to expect...with a standard, stock, Savage rifle..that it is possible to put 4 rounds in to the same hole? I have been told that the results I'm getting with what I have is about the limit and that I will have to step up to a more specialized rifle to get tighter groups. The groups with this rifle have always been good...but Varget made a HUGE difference in MY eyes with tightening up the groups. Thanks for the reccomendations!!!!

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I've heard a lot of good things regarding Varget. It will be one of the powders that I will try when I start reloading for 270 Win (bought from a fellow THR member and it is a Stevens 200).
 
Yep, those are good groups. Not a surprise that a Savage can shoot well. Not a surprise to hear of good results with Varget or RL-15. Most folks around here use the same things. I don't see Federal bullets on the shelves around here so everyone tends to use Sierra 168 MK bullets.

Did you try multiple powder weights for those different powders? Or did you just try a recommended powder weight and go with that? Typically, the RL-15 can get just as good of results in most rifles as the Varget gives. You might have to play around adjusting the powder weights in increments of 0.3 gr or so until you find the sweet spot.

Or just go with what is working for you now. The next step is to try longer ranges. When you get down to 0.5" or so, it can be difficult to measure the differences in load accuracy. Step out to 300 yards and the differences will become more clear.
 
Seeing is believing... Nice work.. I have heard tales of Savages being good shooters out of the box... Someone mentioned Varget.. I have had great results with it in 30 cal. 168 loadings..
 
Good shooting. I'm not surprised in the least really - Savage has their reputation for a reason.

Am I wrong to assume or to expect...with a standard, stock, Savage rifle..that it is possible to put 4 rounds in to the same hole?

Depends on how you define "same hole" I guess. A group of .000", no. A group that may be .3" that is one big hole (as opposed to a hole with a diameter of .308), well yeah, it looks like you and your rifle can do it. I don't believe that these are the tightest groups your rifle will shoot. Go shoot more and make it happen!
 
Welcome to the world of reloading and the uncomprimised potential for accuracy. I too shoot inexpensive rifles and never seem to be amazed at the accuracy and high performance my loads provide. Even if it didn't save me a great deal of money, I would still handload based on the quality of the load.
 
I gotta say...there is nothing nicer than looking through the scope...wondering where the heck that last shot went..and seeing a little bigger hole than your first. It's almost better than getting a birdie in golf! :neener:
 
chrt396,

Looks as though you've found your niche in reloading, congratulations son, you've done well. Those Savage rifles are hard to beat, many of them have resided in my families homes for years, still do. Those shots at the "9" mark on your target look really good, I'd shot a .366 MOA on a target 2 weeks ago with my Rem. 788 in .223, 52 gr. BTHP, best I've ever shot with it. I'd installed a new Timney trigger on it 2 days before I shot that group, like you said, when you look at the target and wonder where that 4th round went...... that makes one really feel good. Keep us posted as to how much better your tweaking the powder does. Good luck.
 
Yep, those are good groups. Not a surprise that a Savage can shoot well. Not a surprise to hear of good results with Varget or RL-15. Most folks around here use the same things. I don't see Federal bullets on the shelves around here so everyone tends to use Sierra 168 MK bullets.

Did you try multiple powder weights for those different powders? Or did you just try a recommended powder weight and go with that? Typically, the RL-15 can get just as good of results in most rifles as the Varget gives. You might have to play around adjusting the powder weights in increments of 0.3 gr or so until you find the sweet spot.

Or just go with what is working for you now. The next step is to try longer ranges. When you get down to 0.5" or so, it can be difficult to measure the differences in load accuracy. Step out to 300 yards and the differences will become more clear.
I started with RE-15 for that is what Sierra labeled it's accuracy load! It performed very well...but I was venturing out and tried IMR4064, H4895, RE-15 and finally..Varget! The best results have been with Varget. It's not that RE-15 was unmatched to my rifle or inaccurate..it's just that Varget was more consistent! The target posted was one of the targets that I threw in my range box. I had others where the groups were a little more consistent, but I usually don't save them. I loaded 50 more with a little lighter charge tonight and will try them out on saturday!
 
how many grs of varget did you use? I have been using 41 grs of H4895 with very good results in my rem 700 in .308 and think I may try varget since I have a keg of it
 
Your enthusiasm rubs off. Reminds me when I was 12 with my first herter's press/dies and single cavity lyman bullets molds. Our gun club had DCM issued
M1 Garands The M1 I used was the most accrate one there with my personal reloads using Remginton 150 gr. bronze tip bullets and 58.6 grs of H4831 50 cents a pound rifle powder. Your groups are fantastic and thank you for sparking the wonderful memories I have from when I was young with decent eyes and an insatisfiable desire to shoot straight. Also to remember the wonderful friendships I have been fortunate to enjoy all my life. Be Safe
 
It was a special run by Savage and I'm glad I took advantage of the purchase. I was not expecting much from the rifle in the way of accuracy or quality,

Never underestimate Savage. Hell, my Steven's 200 by Savage shot a 1/2 MOA group the first time out. It was a $400 rifle with a $70 scope.
 
That is some awesome shooting and looking forward to reloading for my Stevens 200 in 270 Winchester.

I gotta believe the Stevens 200 is well underrated. My first outing after sighting the scope I was able to achieve 3/8 MOA. Gonna try it out at 200 yards tomorrow.
 
how many grs of varget did you use? I have been using 41 grs of H4895 with very good results in my rem 700 in .308 and think I may try varget since I have a keg of it
I was using Sierra MatchKing 168g, 41.9g of Varget, CCI BR2 primers. I also tried loads at 39.4, 39.9, 40.4, 40.9, 41.4!! The best...41.9 and 39.9 grains. Go figure! I tried these loads this past saturday and was pleased with the results. When I use the 41.9, I have had a few instances where the bolt has locked up a couple times. It may have been headspace issues. I bought the gauge and realized that I had been cranking the sizing die down too far. Since I have corrected the sizing issue...the last 25 rounds of 41.9 did NOT effect my bolt. Now...it was a wild A&# guess that the head space was the problem...but I assumed it was..corrected it and problem SEEMED to be solved!
 
I don't know why you're talking down those groups as if they are just so-so. How much better do you want from a hunting rifle? IMO any hunting rifle that will shoot 2 MOA is a good hunting gun.

I'm not surprised at your results with a Savage rifle. Again, I don't know why you are talking the rifle down?
 
I don't know why you're talking down those groups as if they are just so-so. How much better do you want from a hunting rifle? IMO any hunting rifle that will shoot 2 MOA is a good hunting gun.

I'm not surprised at your results with a Savage rifle. Again, I don't know why you are talking the rifle down?
Not really talking down the shooting..but being the perfectionist I am...my personal Meca is to be in the same hole. With that said...I have started using 41.9g MR4064, CCI BR primers, Sierra 150g Matchking, asst. brass, bullet seated to 2.775 OCL..and have gotten the groups down to 1/2 moa with some consistancy. I need to post some photos. The new targets make my old ones look eratic. I'm loving the 150g bullet/IMR powder combo.
 
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