The protection of lawful commerce in arms act, S.397/H.R.800

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has been introduced in the Senate by Sen. Craig (R-Id) & Sen.Baucus (D-Mt)

Companion legislation H.R.800 in the house was introduced in the house by Representatives Stearns (R-Fl) & Boucher (D-Va)

Please contact your Senator's/Congressmen and,

1 Urge them to support S.397 & H.R.800.

2 Oppose ALL anti-gun amendments to the bills.

3 Ask your Reps to be a "co-sponsor" of the above legislation.

You can contact your Reps. using this link.


http://www.capwiz.com/nra/dbq/officials/
 
We really need to get this passed, there is some real interesting text that needs to become official. Please keep this sticky and pass it on where ever possible!

"The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution protects the rights of individuals, including those who are not members of a militia or engaged in military service or training, to keep and bear arms."

"The liability actions commenced or contemplated by the Federal Government, States, municipalities, private interest groups and others attempt to use the judicial branch to circumvent the Legislative branch of government to regulate interstate and foreign commerce through judgments and judicial decrees thereby threatening the Separation of Powers doctrine and weakening and undermining important principles of federalism, State sovereignty and comity between the sister States."

"To preserve a citizen's access to a supply of firearms and ammunition for all lawful purposes, including hunting, self-defense, collecting, and competitive or recreational shooting.

To guarantee a citizen's rights, privileges, and immunities, as applied to the States, under the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, pursuant to section 5 of that Amendment."
 
:) btt

Please contact your Representatives today.


TIA, for all your support.
 
Good Intentions, but...

I support the idea behind this bill, but I don't think I can bring myself to support this implementation. As usual, Ron Paul explains it far more eloquently than I can:

Office of Congressman Ron Paul
202.225.2831

Mr. Speaker, I rise today as a firm believer in the Second amendment and an opponent of all federal gun laws. In fact, I have introduced legislation, the Second Amendment Restoration Act (HR 153), which repeals misguided federal gun control laws such as the Brady Bill and the assault weapons ban. I believe the Second amendment is one of the foundations of our constitutional liberties. However, Mr. Speaker, another foundation of those liberties is the oath all of us took to respect constitutional limits on federal power. While I understand and sympathize with the goals of the proponents of the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (HR 1036), this bill exceeds those constitutional limitations, and so I must oppose it.

It is long past time for Congress to recognize that not every problem requires a federal solution. This country's founders understood the need to separate power between federal, state, and local governments to maximize individual liberty and make government most responsive to citizens. The reservation of most powers to the states strictly limited the role of the federal government in dealing with civil liability matters; it reserved jurisdiction over matters of civil tort, such as alleged gun-related negligence suits, to the state legislatures.

While I am against the federalization of tort reform, I must voice my complete disapproval of the very nature of these suits brought against gun manufacturers. Lawsuits for monetary damages from gun violence should be filed against the perpetrators of those crimes, not gun manufacturers! Holding manufacturers liable for harm they could neither foresee nor prevent is irresponsible and outlandish. The company that makes a properly functioning product in accordance with the law is acting lawfully, and thus should not be taken to court because of misuse by the purchaser (or in many cases, by a criminal who stole the weapon). Clearly these lawsuits are motivated not by a concern for justice, but by a search for deep pockets and a fanatical anti-gun political agenda.

However, Mr. Speaker, the most disturbing aspect of these lawsuits is the idea that guns, which are inanimate objects, are somehow responsible for crimes. HR 1036 shifts the focus away from criminals and their responsibility for their actions. It adds to the cult of irresponsibility that government unfortunately so often promotes. This further erodes the ethics of individual responsibility for one's own actions that must form the basis of a free and moral society. The root problem of violence is not the gun in the hand, but the gun in the heart: each person is accountable for the deeds that flow out of his or her own heart. One can resort to any means available to commit a crime, such as knives, fertilizer, pipes, or baseball bats. Should we start suing the manufacturers of these products as well because they are used in crimes? Of course not- the implications are preposterous.

Finally, Mr. Speaker, I would remind my fellow supporters of gun rights that using unconstitutional federal powers to restrict state gun lawsuits makes it more likely those same powers will be used to restrict our gun rights. Despite these lawsuits, the number one threat to gun ownership remains a federal government freed of its constitutional restraints. Expanding that government in any way, no matter how just the cause may seem, is not in the interests of gun owners or lovers of liberty.

In conclusion, while I share the concern over the lawsuits against gun manufacturers, which inspired HR 1036, this bill continues the disturbing trend toward federalization of tort law. Enhancing the power of the federal government is not in the long-term interests of defenders of the Second amendment and other constitutional liberties. Therefore, I must oppose this bill.
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I don't think that it's the Feds business to determine who the states are and are not allowed to sue. And, correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall that every single one of these types of lawsuits has been found in favor of the gun companies. The system is working here. We don't need to give the Feds more power, and we certainly don't need to give them more power in gun cases.
 
"And, correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall that every single one of these types of lawsuits has been found in favor of the gun companies. The system is working here. We don't need to give the Feds more power, and we certainly don't need to give them more power in gun cases."

Yes, in every suit the courts found on the side of gun companies, but at what cost. Money that could have been spent on R&D or educcation went to fight frivilous lawsuits. In theory, your post has merits; however, since the lower courts and the states can't seem fit to reject these cases, with prejudice and counter penalize the plantiffs for bringing these suits in the first place, then somthing else needs to be done. If you were to leave it up to the states, CA and NY type ideas would soon start to bleed over to the rest of the country.

It started w/ tobacco, now it is guns, what will be next? Somthing has to be done to keep our court system from turning into a mockery of justice.
 
HR800 Status

HR800 has passed out of a subcommittee, but not the Judiciary committee. It is currently in markup phase, and was supposed to be looked at Wednesday, but that was postponed. It is supposed to be rescheduled. We are tracking it at House Bill 800
 
And, correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall that every single one of these types of lawsuits has been found in favor of the gun companies.
No, at least some (e.g., Bushmaster re: D.C. "sniper" case) have been put into a position of having to let their insurance company pay a substantial (multi-million $$) settlement in order to be allowed to focus their time and efforts on business rather than going all the way through a trial and appeals. Lawsuits don't just cost money. A huge amout of a company's resources are involved to comply with discovery requests and other matters.

The American firearms industry is critical to national security. Individuals and even state governments and their subdivisions (cities) have been conspiring to interfere and jeopardize the entire industry. There is no "smoking gun" that the industry has been hiding (like tobacco got found with) and the need for their products id expressly addressed in the Bill of Rights. I'm comfortable with this being a federal issue.
 
With all respect to Congressman Paul,
This legislation will stop a back door attempt to bankrupt legitimate business in order to impose a political agenda.

Maybe Congressman Paul don't realize that the system is already being abused against gun owners, If this was not the fact, this bill would not be before Congress in the 1st place.

Is the system working ? sure "IF" firearm manufactures have enough money to survive all the false attacks made against them.

The fact that they are not guilty becomes irrelevant, if they go bankrupt and/or the price of firearms go as high as possible to pay for liability insurance/lawyers. Is the system working ?If the price of your next gun goes up $100 dollars is the system working ?

Also if the concept of "3rd party" liability ever becomes accepted as precedent, well hold on to your wallet.

This Country is in desperate need of tort reform and this bill provides the opportunity for every one to help their country and their sport at the same time.

Please contact your Representatives And urge them to support this legislation.

You can contact your Representatives using this link,

http://www.capwiz.com/nra/dbq/officials/

Again,Thanks for all your support.
 
Usually, when I attack a particular use of the interstate commerce clause, it is because the behavior being regulated is not interstate nor commercial.

In this case, a few states and localities are trying to upset the free flow of firearms commerce with frivolous legal actions. I'm generally pretty suspicious if the phrase "in or affecting interstate commerce" is in a federal law. Some of those effects seem rather remote to me.

Federalist 45:
The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite.
But it seems to me that preventing a small cadre of bureaucrats in one part of the country from disrupting the trade of the rest of the country is exactly what the commerce clause was supposed to do. Disagree with Dr. Paul on this one.
 
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