The Ubiquitous S&W Model 10

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When I was an LEO in the 1970s (dark ages when revolvers still ruled the roost), my department issued Model 10s with the heavy barrel. As I become more nostalgic in my old age, I want to find a good example, just to have and shoot for fun, especially since I load 38s, which unlike most autos are good rounds even with the cheaper lead bullets.

In my cursory research on the Model 10 this past week, I learned that Smith made over 6 million of them, if you count all the various iterations of it in the past 100+ years.

Is that a record, or is there another handgun model that exceeds it? I suspect the 1911 would, but only because it was pretty much the military issue for 75 years.
 
Doing a cursory look at the internet,
Glock pistols seem to hold the record
for numbers produced. But I believe
that includes all models.

The S&W Model 10 is probably the top
produced revolver (not counting its
derivatives such as the Model 15,
other K-frames or N frames).

The top produced "small arms" seems to
be the AK-47; it's literally everywhere.
 
I would think that for a single model from a single manufacturer the model 10 has to be at the top of the list of most guns sold / utilized across the globe. Of course this would have to include the pre-1957 models that became the model 10 when S&W started numbering the various models.
 
Ive had a bunch of 4" M10s.....but they just didn't really do much for me unlike the adjustable sight models. Then I found this 6."
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The longer barrel really gives it a whole different character. Its a keeper!
A couple of years ago I decided that if I come across a 6” model 10 I will buy it. I haven’t seen any for sale since. Now, I don’t bother with online sites like GB and others, nor do I wish to, but one day I will find one at a shop or gun show. :thumbup:
 
The model 10 is the most produced of all the S&W models. I have a 38 M&P, model 1905 third change from around 1911, a 1955 M&P, both 4 inch as well as a 4 inch heavy barrel m64 and a 2 inch 10-7
 
Amazing they made 6,000,000 of them, the Colt Official Police was the dominant US police sidearm from the '20s until the 60's, I guess the Model 10 had more widespread military use among lots of nations until fairly recently.
 
My pre Model 10 M&P is a nice gun, someday I’ll get a heavy barreled Model 10 to pair with it.

I did grab a Model 64 from AIM Surplus when they had a bunch in stock a couple of years ago. (I should’ve also grabbed a Model 65 at the same time.. I dawdled and missed out on those :(.) That gun really does shoot well for me, but I did need to color the front sight orange because the stainless blade washed out at the indoor range..

The fixed-sight K frame really does have a heck of a lot going for it, I think they’re one of the most versatile handguns out there. Any shooter from a beginner to an expert can’t go wrong by buying one.

Stay safe.
 
Fixed sight S&Ws shoot pretty well to point of aim with anything I feed ‘em.

I have owned fixed sight Rugers, Colts, Ubertis, Piettas that did not. They were sold, not to be replaced.

You would think gun manufacturers would take a little effort to ensure that their guns are usable.
 
elktrout writes:

As I become more nostalgic in my old age, I want to find a good example, just to have and shoot for fun..

Did the same thing myself a couple of years ago, buying a 67-1 to replace the issued one from the decade after yours..
 
Use to have several Model 10s but over time I let them slip away. So awhile back I went to a gun show determined to get one, possibly for secondary use in a home defense role. Went on Saturday and found a blued Model 10 with a 6" barrel. Looked to be in pretty good shape and the price was right so I bought it. After cleaning it up and handling it I felt that the long barrel was a bit too long for it's possible use so I went back the next day to trade it in on another Model 10.

A friend of mine had a table at the show and happened to have just what I wanted: an M&P .38 Special with a 4" barrel (though not a Victory Model). It was in all likelihood one of the guns distributed around the country by the U. S. Defense Supply Corporation to security guards who were working in vital businesses, like banks, factories, power plants, and non-military installations.

The gun was in great shape overall and functioned perfectly. It didn't appeared to have been used a lot or show much in the way of holster wear. The DA was a bit on the heavy side but the SA was nice and light. So I finally got my Model 10 (albeit a Pre-Model 10), and this one is staying right where it's at!
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Been on a bit of a Model 10/64 jag, but pencil barrels only. Ran across a minty 6" M10, had them put it back for me. (Just like DarkLord's gun above) The day I showed up to buy it, another guy came looking for it.
He inquired, "Where's the Barney Fife gun?" (You, in the back, relax...know that Barney actually had a Colt ;) )
The heavy barrels maybe feel a little better, but the pencils remind us of the days when guns were made lighter by machining away every bit of steel that wasn't necessary.
There is something about the K frame lockwork that is like Baby Bear's Porridge; it seems to smooth up better than its larger and smaller kin.
They feel good in the hand as well, tho' a Tyler T grip, or its kin, makes it feel even better, while keeping the old-timey vibe.
Moon
 
When the Heavy barrels came along they disgusted me. Give me the pencil barrel!

I never heard that the Colts out sold the S&W after WWII with police departments. Other than in Mayberry, of course.

About the only HB m10 I might want would be one marked “Wells Fargo” and I am not sure they marked their guns that late. My station had turned in all “old guns” and gotten “new” HBs in 1976. I fired one qualification and then they Disarmed the Pony Express couriers and even changed our uniforms so we no longer wore WF badges.

That was described by a Courier buddy as OK because …. (you know, out there in the Sierra Madre)

Soon Sheriffs in three counties wanted to know why I had “keys to my bank” and no pistol. Company said “catch you with a gun and you are fired!” Local LEOs said “You’d best get a gun, boy!” A hard decision for me….slip on paddle holster and lunch box can be your friend!

Still a Wells Fargo marked M10 would be kewl.
…and yes I offered to buy one or more when they were withdrawn and no they would not think of it.

-kBob
 
In my cursory research on the Model 10 this past week, I learned that Smith made over 6 million of them, if you count all the various iterations of it in the past 100+ years.

Howdy

Please excuse me while I put on my School Marm hat.

The first thing that struck me about that statement is I don't believe it. So I googled "how many smith and wesson model 10s have been made?"

This brought me to a Wikipedia page that stated that since 1899 6,000.000 have been made.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_&_Wesson_Model_10

First off, nobody admires K frame S&W revolvers more than me. NOBODY.

But that figure is incorrect. The Model 10 did not exist until 1957, when S&W went to a model number system. Before that, the same revolver was officially known as the 38 Military & Police revolver.

Yes, I am being picky, but that is a a School Marm's job.

Let's do a quick comparison. At the top of this photo is a 38 Military and Police revolver that shipped in 1938. At the bottom is a Model 10-5 that shipped around 1964. The first glaring difference between the two revolvers is the hammers. The 38 M&P has the old style long throw hammer that these revolvers had since 1899. The Model 10 has the standard short throw hammer with deep knurling and a deep gullet between the hammer spur and the body of the hammer. As much as I love the older guns, the newer hammer is more user friendly. It is easy for a sweaty thumb to slip off the shallow knurling when cocking the hammer on a hot day. Notice the different front sights. The 38 M&P has the traditional half moon shaped front sight, on the Model 10 the front sight is shaped slightly differently, with an angled rear face that has groooves cut into it. I find the newer front sight also easier to use. Lastly, lets count screws. The 38 M&P is a typical 'five screw' S&W. Three screws are visible holding down the side plate, one more is hidden under the top of the grip, and there is one more screw, barely visible, angled up in front of the trigger guard holding the bolt spring in place. The Model 10 is a typical 'three screw' S&W. The screw at the top of the side plate is gone, and so is the screw in front of the trigger guard. There is still one screw hidden under the top of the grip, totaling three screws.

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This is the revolver that started it all, a 38 Military and Police, 1st Model, also known as the Model of 1899 Army-Navy revolver. First introduced in 1899, this was the very first K frame revolver. Notice the shapes of the hammer and front sight. Notice there is no latch under the barrel in front of the ejector rod, the only K frame ever made lacking that feature. There are four screws visible holding the side plate in place, but because the internal mechanism was different than later models, there is no screw in front of the trigger guard. This model is sometimes known as "pre-five screw four screw model". This is a very early 38 M&P, 1st Model, it shipped in 1899.

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This is a 38 Military and Police Target model. Notice the same hammer shape, but it has a target style front sight, and windage and elevation adjustable rear sight. This is the early style adjustable rear sight, a tiny screw driver was needed to adjust the rear sight. This one shipped in 1917. This model was the precursor to the K-38, which was in turn the precursor to the Model 14.

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A typical 6" 38 M&P. This one shipped in 1934.

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An interesting variation, a 38 M&P with a round butt. This one is wearing its original hard rubber grips. This photo shows all the blemishes to the finish on the side plate, but also shows all the screws. This one is one of my favorites, it shipped in 1939.

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OK, School Marm hat off.

I have far more old 38 M&P revolvers than I do Model 10s. Nothing wrong with the Model 10, it is a great revolver. I just happen to like the older ones better.

Wish I could tell you how many actual Model 10s have been made, I have searched through my reference books and cannot find an answer. But it was most certainly not 6,000,000.
 
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Driftwood Johnson

I can readily see why the 38 M&P with the round butt is one of your favorites; mainly because it's one of mine as well!
The hard rubber grips in that particular configuration looks so perfectly balanced and comfortably shaped that really sets it apart from the other square butt 38 M&Ps.

Thanks for sharing your knowledge and your collection with us here on THR!
 
I believe some of the paper work that
comes with Model 10s is headlined:

".38 Military & Police Revolver
Model No. 10"

I think one may call a Model 10 an
M&P if desired. And some refer
to "pre-Model 10" to designate
a pre-1957 manufacture.

Similarly, a .38 Combat Masterpiece
was designated a Model 15 but it
is still a Combat Masterpiece. And
a Model 67 which didn't exist until
1972 is also known as a Combat
Masterpiece.
 
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I have a very well worn 4” bull barrel which i assume was a police trade in. Smoothest revolver I’ve ever handled, much smoother than current production smiths. Just imagine how much labor went into fitting all those millions of guns. Pretty amazing production numbers for a gun whose parts are hand fitted and non interchangeable.
 
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