Theives steal HK MP5 from cops

[Zundfolge]

a sub-machine gun capable of firing 30 rounds in less than three seconds.

Ya ever notice that every news story that involves some sort of full automatic weapon they ALWAYS give you the cyclical rate?

You can't tell me that media folk aren't all on the same team here.

 

[zinj]

Why is the SWAT team bringing all their gear on a night out?

 

[Shaughn Leayme]

Smaller detachments or county departments, quite often have officers designated as SWAT, who are also regular patrol or duty officers and they respond from where ever they happen to be, instead of reporting to a central depot, collecting the needed equipment and then responding to the scene.

So they carry their equipment with them, less chance of something being forgotten, say if an designated officer collected the gear from a locker at the station and brought it to him and it gives the officer a quicker response time to the scene and he may be half way across the county from the station when he receives a call out.

Remember, first on the scene, team up with whats available and seek out the bad guy and neutralize, no time to wait for the black van to show up with your gear.

 

[.cheese.]

geez. Scary. I don't care if somebody wants to buy an MP5, but a stolen one just wreeks of really scary intended usage.

Of course, this is exactly how the BG's get the big guns that we can't buy (unless you're ok with tax-stamps and going class 3).

So much for banning them from civilian purchase.

Nobody is 100% exempt from the possibility of having their guns stolen. Not any of us, even those who have the top-of-the-line safes and security equipment.

I won't get all over the officer, because unfortunately stuff like this happens, and while it may not have happened if he had it better stored, it still may have even then.

This is exactly how gun "control" only controls us law abiding citizens.

 

[MudPuppy]

“And I would hate to be the person that says, well, you go there but don’t take your equipment. Or, leave your equipment at home," he added.

I like that--obviously pro-CCW!

 

[2TransAms]

Geez. Scary. I don't care if somebody wants to buy an MP5, but a stolen one just reeks of really scary intended usage.

I don't know, could be an opportunistic young punk saw his chance and took it. Maybe he just saw a gun and took it,not knowing what a find it was. Or not.

As I have said, the sad thing is that this or one of the other automatic weapons stolen at another hiest is going to be used in the commission of a crime and the damn Brady's are going to say "SEE!!! WE TOLD YOU!!!"

I doubt that too. When's the last time a full auto weapon was used in a crime(besides just the crime of owning one )? Nope,my money says it's gonna be sold for crack and left to rust.

 

[MD_Willington]

Well simple enough, give them the semi-auto MP5 carbine (short barrel not HK94) that the UK police use instead of the fully auto capable MP5's, then its pretty close to a short barrel "camp-rifle"...

Too bad about the SBR thing, I 'd like to own one of those MP5 Carbines... but I guess I'd need to win the lottery and move to a more NFA/GCA friendly State.

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

For now, let's back off the guy, eh? The original article does say it was a vehicle break-in, so it's not like he left it on the seat with the door open saying "come get me."

I understand what you are saying Kaylee. I think a lot of the posters are just frustrated that this seems to happen pretty often to LE (compared to civilian owned transferrable NFA weapons), yet WE are the ones who have to go through the song and dance and pay insane prices and thus treat the weapons like they are worth their weight in gold (which they probably are).

Plus, the last one of these that jumps to mind was the 9mm M16 SMG stolen from an unmarked LE car at a baseball game that, IIRC, WAS left just lying on the back seat!

Too bad about the SBR thing, I 'd like to own one of those MP5 Carbines... but I guess I'd need to win the lottery and move to a more NFA/GCA friendly State.

Just move one state south

 

[Zundfolge]

...yet WE are the ones who have to go through the song and dance and pay insane prices and thus treat the weapons like they are worth their weight in gold (which they probably are).

Lets see ...

Standard MP5: Weight (lbs) 5.59 = 81.52 Troy Ounces*
MP5K: Weight (lbs) 4.40 = 64.167 Troy Ounces
MP5SD: Weight (lbs) 6.83 = 99.604 Troy Ounces

Gold today is ~$642/Troy Ounce.

So based on that, if MP5s were worth their weight in gold, they would be:
Standard MP5: $52,335.84
MP5K: $41,195.21
MP5SD: $63,945.77

So thankfully, MP5s are NOT worth their weight in gold




*note that a troy ounce is not the same thing as a regular ounce. a pound is made up of 16 regular ounces, but only 14.583333333 troy ounces. Gold is sold by the Troy Ounce, not the regular ounce

 

[SSN Vet]

Smaller detachments or county departments, quite often have officers designated as SWAT, who are also regular patrol or duty officers and they respond from where ever they happen to be

that's exactly how the state police do it here....but of course, this is a small (population wise) state.

I think it's a good policy.

I know of one incident where this practice most likely saved two kids lives. They were with momma and her boyfriend, who were on the lamb for armed robbery for months. When regular police stumbled onto them, boyfriend took kids hostage and put revolver to 12 year old girls head. Next patrol car on the scene was a state police SWAT team member, who pulled out his rifle and promptly put one shot through boyfriends ear.

Ruled a clean shoot.

I think a lot of the posters are just frustrated that this seems to happen pretty often to LE

fortunately, us non-LEOs don't have to drive around with a billboard on the side of our car.

 

[Henry Bowman]

capable of firing 30 rounds in less than three seconds

Actually, this is far less hyped than saying "fires 600 rounds per minute." Both are true, one is more accurate.

 

[SniperStraz]

Why is the SWAT team bringing all their gear on a night out.

Because alot of SWAT guys like/need to be ready all the time. Makes sense to me. This just shines some light on the opinions of those that say that open-carry might wind up being an invitation for criminals. I can never stop being amazed at the guts these criminals have. If they will knowingly steal from an LEO (and SWAT no less,) just think what they would be willing to do to a civilian. This is certainly a very real concern. I think that maybe cops *should* carry their weapons when they go out for a night on the town.

 

[Jeff White]

It's not like there is a huge problem with this. Yes it makes the news everytime it happens, but there are literally thousands of police vehicles out there with trunks full of equipment. It's a trade off between the requirement to respond quickly to a call out and security.

As long as the police store their equipment in their vehicles and there are thieves inthe world, this is going to happen.

There are literally tens of thousands of trunk or car guns stolen out of vehicles belonging to civilians every year and it hardly makes the news.

If we can judge by the number of car and truck gun threads, a lot of THR members keep firearms in their vehicles. The only difference would be that it won't be a big news story if someone steals the firearm from their vehicle.

Jeff

 

[k_dawg]

And how does that pertain to this?

The idea that many LEO and in the media that only LEO are properly trained and responsible enough to own them. i.e. they are the ONLY ONE [ not us, the mere citizens ]

 

[imprezagm4]

Mink told 7NEWS they will look at how the weapon was being stored in the vehicle to determine if any policy changes are warranted.

Are not the weapons supposed to be locked up in their vehicle?

My take on that is... no.

I don't want my 870 locked up if someone breaks into my house and I need to fetch it in an instant, I suppose a police officer wouldn't want to waste time fumbling with a key either.