There are no 'assault weapons'

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... I asked him what he thought an ‘assault weapon’ actually was. Looking at me as if I were mentally challenged, he said that everyone knows “assault weapons are military-style, fully-automatic guns capable of emptying a 100 round magazine in 3 seconds.” When I told him that fully-automatic firearms had been heavily regulated since the National Firearms Act of 1934 he simply stared at me blankly as if unsure what to say. When I went on to point out that, despite public misconceptions, President Clinton’s now-expired ‘Assault Weapons Ban‘ had nothing to do with fully-automatic firearms at all, he sarcastically replied “What kind of idiot would fall for such a thing?”

Read more at http://monachuslex.com/?p=1574
 
I felt really bad because he is an older guy and I try to be respectful but I believe (and hope) he saw the humor in the situation after the fact. :)
 
Stretching definitions (and even making them up as they go along) is one of the key tactics of the true anti-gunner. :)
 
I'm holding a RoseArt #2 HB pencil right now; if I were to assault someone with it, it would be an assault weapon.

In my truck, there's a MK12 Mod 0 and several loaded, high cap mags. If time permits, I going to go to the range at lunch and do a little target shooting. It is a target rifle...
 
I propose that AR-15's be renamed apepper weapons because everyone knows that salt is white and pepper is black. At least that is how it is at Mickie D's. I'm not sure what to call any pink ones that show up.
 
Assault weapons mean different things to different folks

But the term assault weapon has a pretty clear legal definition. Someone could tell me that my 1911 is an assault weapon, but they would be wrong.
 
Language usage seems to get sloppier on a regular basis. The military has "assault rifles" which are selective-fire, medium power carbine-type rifles.

The politicians and the media came up with "assault weapons". There is no regard for the absence of selective-fire, nor for the power of any of the cartridges used. And, it's mostly about cosmetics. If it looks evil in the eyes of an anti-gunner, it cannot ever be used for any beneficial purpose.

As near as I can tell, the Assault Weapons ban accomplished three things: It raised the price of pre-ban weapons. It increased the sales of the legal versions of the weapons. And it reduced the number of drive-by bayonettings.
 
Boy that's right. Those drive-by bayonettings were getting completely out of hand.

I concur. The real problem with the drive-bys are that those with assault weapons would loose going head to head with someonecarrying the non-assault weapon 91/30 that was 2' longer...
 
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Boy that's right. Those drive-by bayonettings were getting completely out of hand.
I always thought that was a stupid addition, a couple years ago WA state proposed banning those evil assault weapons, the law as written would've banned my enfield #1 as is has a supported barrel and bayo stud. Cooler heads prevailed and the bill died in committee
 
Ah, The "Assault Weapon" ban, banned bayonet lugs, adjustable stocks, forced the use of pinned muzzle devices, and banned production of hi-cap mags.... However the "Assault Weapon's" function never changed, so how was any of those things helpful? I guess it kept the rifle out of the hands of the vertically challenged. Y'know, the ones who can't use a traditional fixed stock.
 
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But the term assault weapon has a pretty clear legal definition. Someone could tell me that my 1911 is an assault weapon, but they would be wrong.

Not true. And that is why it is such a trap, it is a changing definition, and once one targeted segment of firearms is successfully restricted or banned new things are added to the 'assault weapon' list when they have the momentum.



In California your 1911 is indeed an assault weapon if it has a threaded barrel.


Plenty of 1911s do have a threaded barrel. So there is in fact many 1911s that would be illegal 'assault weapons' in California.

It is also a semi-automatic weapon of military heritage, several strikes against it in the minds of some.
Fortunately for us Clinton destroyed hundreds of thousands of them (and insured the new CMP could not sell handguns) or the market would be flooded with Surplus USGI 1911s and they would be a relatively inexpensive pistol.
 
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I see what you're saying. I did say "legal definition", and I shouldn't have.
Let's take the definition crazy people made up, and substitute it for the actual definition that is most commonly used, though.

If I were in charge of a state, I could say that any car that has over 250 horsepower is a race car, and thus illegal to drive on the street. That would still not change the actual definition of "race car".

This is what Sam1911 posted in a different thread:
But without the ability to switch to run full-auto, they can not be assault rifles

My 1911 is not select fire.
 
Assault rifle is a technical definition. The US military has an "assault weapon", the (MK 153) SMAW, in inventory. It's a bunker-buster shoulder-launched rocket.

In US legalese, "assault weapon" was the made-up definition that included any scary firearm that had a certain number of "evil" features, like barrel shrouds. :rolleyes:

John
 
In US legalese, "assault weapon" was the made-up definition that included any scary firearm that had a certain number of "evil" features, like barrel shrouds.

Isn't that the shoulder thing that goes up?
 
Weapons are just tools, people cause the assault. The only weapons that are dangerous on their own are certian types of explosives that can deteriorate and become unstable over time or detonate by accident in a fire or something. Modern small arms can not act on their own.
 
Origins of the assault rifle
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/08/03/gun_dork_history/

The quest for intermediate power
Most countries went back to war in 1939 still tooled up with a mixture of bolt-action rifles, submachineguns, and supporting machine guns firing full-poke rifle ammo. After handing everyone else a massive kicking in the first couple of years, however, the Germans carried out some analysis of the way things had gone while they were grinding Europe under their jackbooted heels.

The remorselessly efficient Nazis found that it was, in fact, very rare for soldiers to shoot at one another from distances much greater than 400-600 yards. The beautiful old bolt-action rifles with their powerful cartridges and thousand-yard accuracy were massively over-spec’d, and they were still far from ideal in a close-up scrap. The Germans decided to make a serious move towards an intermediate-power cartridge, lying between pistol and rifle. They designed a new weapon to go with it.

This new class of weapon would be powerful enough to make kills out to 500 yards or thereabouts, but light and handy. It held a lot of bullets and it could be fired on full auto by a standing, unsupported man. It could do nearly every job well enough, and it could be cheap to make as well.

There remained the question of what to call the new class of gun, however. The Germans initially called it a “machine carbine,” then changed their mind and filed it among the submachineguns as the Maschinen Pistole 1943, refined in 1944 to become the MP44. It’s generally thought that the designers did this because Hitler was a great believer in the mystique of the storm trooper, so much so that Nazi political thugs operated under that title at one point – which has led to the unsavoury connotations of the term “stormtrooper” in English. (Not to mention its usage in the Star Wars movies, one might suggest. There’s no surer way among Anglos to suggest that a government is menacing and evil than calling its soldiers storm troopers.) The signature weapon of the Nazi storm trooper was the machine-pistol, and a gun with an “MP” title was more likely to gain political approval.

But even Hitler could see that the new gun wasn’t really a machine-pistol. Nonetheless, it needed to evoke the legend of the storm trooper. In the end, the Nazis decided to call it a “Sturm Gewehr,” or “storm rifle” – a rifle for stormtroopers. This was translated into English as “assault rifle,” and so the new type of weapon was misnamed forever. Assault rifles don’t have any particular connection with assault operations, as we’ve seen: they’re general-purpose guns.
 
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