These cartridges would not fire.

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Poking around the internet, it seems the yoke is the part where the cylinder is held to the crane. So the yoke is part of the crane. So S&W calling it a yoke is a synecdoche.

So I guess if the crane is not right it could increase headspace and thus lead to light strikes.

 

[Jim Watson]

Nope. On company parts lists Colt has a crane and Smith has a yoke.
Poking around on the internet will find other neologisms like "Series 70" and "bore diameter".

 

[roval]

aah! TheHighRoad where i can get gun knowledge as well as expand my vocabulary. love it. synecdoche... i never encountered that before and had to look it up. now on to check the pronunciation.

me applying the new word : referring to cartidges as bullets then is an example of synecdoche

 

[JJFitch]

I took 10 rounds of this brand X ammo to the range (among other stuff) and ran them in my S&W 442-2 (with lock). Of the 10 rounds 6 would not fire, even though I tried to fire them 2 or 3 times. I ran the same brand X ammo in the Bond Derringer .44 Special with no misfires out of 10 rounds.

From the image below, does it looks like the gun's firing pin was doing its job? Note that I also ran about 40 rounds of Winchester white box through the gun and did experience two misfires but those fired on the second try.

I plan to go back and see if these six will fire in my 442-1 (no lock). If they don't fire in the 442-1 I will try them in my Bond Arms derringer .38 Special barrel.


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One lesson from the range session is that while my dry firing has been encouraging, at the range it was not so good. I could get some tight groups at 5 yards but only with a lot of concentration--something one does not necessarily have in a SD event.

I have seen similar primer strikes and thought it was a gun problem until I pulled the bullets and found that the primers did their job but since there was no powder the bullets didn't move. Pull the bullets to be sure there was powder and you should also see black soot from ignited primers!

 

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I have seen similar primer strikes and thought it was a gun problem until I pulled the bullets and found that the primers did their job but since there was no powder the bullets didn't move. Pull the bullets to be sure there was powder and you should also see black soot from ignited primers!

I went back later that week and they all fired just fine out of my other S&W 442.

 

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Was at the range this afternoon with the 442 that S&W just repaired. I only took ChoiceAmmunition and WWB because those were what I had the problem with before. The results with the replaced yoke are not good.

Tried 50 ChoiceAmmunition and had 24 that would not fire. A few I tried a second time and still no fire. These had a 50% failure rate before, so no significant difference. Tried 30 WWB and all fired, which beats the previous 20% failure rate.

The worst part is that a coupe years ago I traded in my 642 that I had purchased new for this gun to get the black frame for better concealment in pocket carry as the but will often show in the pocket opening. Of couirse I have no idea if that gun would fire the ChoiceAmmunition rounds but thankfully my other 442 will and that is my EDC.

An interesting observation is that the three-digit number on the frame near the butt and the number on the yoke are the same, so they must have engraved the number into the new yoke?

The 24 that did not fire:

 

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So here is my question. Should I trust my non-lock 442 that does fire these rounds for EDC? These rounds seem like a good way to test the firing pin function. But both guns are weak on the pencil test, ejecting the pencil from the barrel, but not much more. A 642 in the store did better on the pencil test.

As for the lock 442 that won't fire these rounds, it does fine on other brands and is mainly my dry fire and range gun, so getting it to fire these rounds is not essential, but in it would be nice to have it fixed. I will call S&W again and see what they say. Or I can monkey with it myself and see if I can improve it. But what would be a simple fix. I don't want a longer firing pin, but maybe a new stock pin would be in order. Or springs.

 

[unclenunzie]

Hard question which of course only you can answer. But my opinion is get some top tier manufactured ammo - not a boutique or small outfit, and test it using that. Something in the defensive/LE lines from Speer, Winchester, Federal, Hornady. Ammo that law enforcement uses.

And don't forget the hurt my finger test

 

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Hard question which of course only you can answer. But my opinion is get some top tier manufactured ammo - not a boutique or small outfit, and test it using that. Something in the defensive/LE lines from Speer, Winchester, Federal, Hornady. Ammo that law enforcement uses.

And don't forget the hurt my finger test

Yep, well it runs Norma range ammo and PMC fine, but I think it is time I need to hurt my finger.

 

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Hit the range today with the suspect 442 J-Frame. Did not try any more of the ammo that had misfires. Ran 111 rounds and all fired first try. This included:

48 rounds of Ammo Incorporated 125 grain TMJ

35 rounds of PMC 132 grain FMJ, and

28 rounds of Norma 158 grain FMJ

Forgot to note, it was a lot of fun but the fun was cut short because I failed to bring more ammo.

 

[gillmeister692]

These were purchased online from a company that hand loads them. The listing on their web site says,

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Hand-loads bought from complete strangers through the mail? Type no more!

 

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Hand-loads bought from complete strangers through the mail? Type no more!

Every online ammo seller is a complete stranger. As for Choice Ammunition, where I got these cartridges, the Single Action Shooting Society seems to think they are okay. From Choice Ammunition's listing:

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Choice Ammunition is an American manufacturer of ammunition cartridges, components and handloading equipment, based in Victor, Montana.

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