They are still out there and breeding

[PapaG]

Today, for the third time in three years, a customer brought in a duffle, while looking sheepish. "I think I messed up". I unzipped the bag and saw a Glock with the slide locked open. Thinking he had made a mistake in assembly, I pulled it out. There in the ejection port was the nose of a cartridge facing backwards.
"I don't know what happened. How could it turn around like that?
I told him I'd take it home and fix it. This one was the easiest, a few minutes with a vise grip needlenose got it out. For another one I had to take a dowell, drill a hole in the end to clear the primer and drive it out(held in a vise, barrel and breech horizontal to me and mass of gun between me and ejection port).
So far, a SCCY, a Sigma, and now a G17.
More stories to follow. I have a bunch.

 

[Squire Western]

Good late night gun horror stories. Keep 'em coming, Papa!

 

[Tirod]

Check and see if he has one of those infamous SHOT Show brochures at home . . .

 

[sota]

Good try, but wrong brand.

 

[Arizona_Mike]

IQ is only 40-70% heritable so there is some hope.

Mike

 

[Mr_Flintstone]

Just remember, half the people you meet in life are below average.

 

[hq]

Just remember, half the people you meet in life are below average.

Choose the bubble you live in wisely and that scenario is completely avoidable...

 

[DeepSouth]

New gun owner: Lets shoot a little!

Buddy: I don't think it's loaded right?

New gun owner: That's how H&K does it.

Buddy: Oh, then it's gotta be right.
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Range officer: Maybe you should collect stamps instead?

 

[wally]

There in the ejection port was the nose of a cartridge facing backwards.

Happens to the "best"

 

[PabloJ]

Today, for the third time in three years, a customer brought in a duffle, while looking sheepish. "I think I messed up". I unzipped the bag and saw a Glock with the slide locked open. Thinking he had made a mistake in assembly, I pulled it out. There in the ejection port was the nose of a cartridge facing backwards.
"I don't know what happened. How could it turn around like that?
I told him I'd take it home and fix it. This one was the easiest, a few minutes with a vise grip needlenose got it out. For another one I had to take a dowell, drill a hole in the end to clear the primer and drive it out(held in a vise, barrel and breech horizontal to me and mass of gun between me and ejection port).
So far, a SCCY, a Sigma, and now a G17.
More stories to follow. I have a bunch.

In our great country people can buy and start using firearm with zero previous exposure or training required, therefore, what you describe does not reflect poorly on person who brought the gun to you. Would you expect native from jungle of Brazil to be able to get into a car and drive? Perhaps person seen videos of Boberg gun on Ytube prior to buying the Glock. We may never know for sure.

 

[entropy]

<Hears banjos> Yup, around here, it's north of US 8. <More banjos>

 

[PapaG]

Thank you, Pablo. As a sixty plus year shooter, Hunter, instructor, yada, yada, I hear (read) you. My belief is that if the seller does not give adequate instruction, or direction toward instruction, and the buyer is not interested in proper use/operation of the said firearm, then there will continue to be these unbelievable examples of mankind's march to oblivion. Hyperbole. I have a hundred more examples of how there needs to be some kind of instruction included with 2A rights. NOT CONTROL. INSTRUCTION. I'm not judging, I'm observing and sharing.

 

[old lady new shooter]

Thank you, Pablo. As a sixty plus year shooter, Hunter, instructor, yada, yada, I hear (read) you. My belief is that if the seller does not give adequate instruction, or direction toward instruction, and the buyer is not interested in proper use/operation of the said firearm, then there will continue to be these unbelievable examples of mankind's march to oblivion. Hyperbole. I have a hundred more examples of how there needs to be some kind of instruction included with 2A rights. NOT CONTROL. INSTRUCTION. you want to flame me for that, provide your CV, and I might read. Otherwise SIUYA. I'm not judging, I'm observing and sharing.

In California you have to get a Firearms Safety Certificate before being allowed to buy a gun. (Once you have it it's good for five years, you don't need a new one for every purchase.) (Of course they charge you to take the test, which is mostly about California gun laws.) Don't remember now whether it's part of the FSC process or part of the procedure for buying a gun, but you have to demonstrate you know how to safely load and unload the gun you want to buy.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

@wally Post #9: I saw an ad for AR-7 magazines loaded that new way too.

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/ar-7-15-rd-mag?a=339231

I own an H&K USP .40S&W pistol and an ArmaLIte AR-7 rifle, been loading their magazines the old fashioned way I was taught with my 1911 .45 and M1 Carbine, with no apparent problems in function.

 

[Ed Ames]

In our great country people can buy and start using firearm with zero previous exposure or training required, therefore, what you describe does not reflect poorly on person who brought the gun to you.

That's really not a supportable position, J.

It is also perfectly legal to buy an airplane with zero experience, and certain types can be legally flown with absolutely zero training. No license is required. However, if someone chooses to do so it absolutely does reflect poorly on them.

You can buy a motorcycle without any training or previous experience. It doesn't matter if you've ever sat on a bicycle before, it doesn't even matter if you have a licence to use one on public roads, you can take home a Hayabusa today if you have the normal purchase price. Doing so again reflects poorly on you. Same with cars by the way. You don't need a licence to buy a car.

You can do all sorts of dangerous things without any experience or training. Buy dangerous materials, hike in extreme regions, build or repair safety-critical machines, etc. That's why a basic life skill is recognizing that something is both risky and unfamiliar enough that you should seek out additional information before trying it yourself. Not recognizing that you are out of your depth absolutely reflects poorly on you as a person.

Information is readily available. If you buy a gun it generally comes with a manual that details everything you need to know to operate the firearm. If you didn't receive a manual you can generally download a copy. If you don't have internet access you can find books in the library or any gun store has employees that will explain the basics like which direction the bullets point. For free. There are training classes offered all across the country. Ignorance may be everyone's starting point, but staying ignorant is a personal choice. A choice that reflects poorly on anyone who makes that choice.

 

[Sistema1927]

And then there is this:

 

[TomJ]

In our great country people can buy and start using firearm with zero previous exposure or training required, therefore, what you describe does not reflect poorly on person who brought the gun to you. Would you expect native from jungle of Brazil to be able to get into a car and drive? Perhaps person seen videos of Boberg gun on Ytube prior to buying the Glock. We may never know for sure.

Personal responsibility matters. If I'm going to get involved with an activity that can cause harm to myself or others, it is my responsibility to make sure I have the knowledge and training to do so safely. If I fail to do so, it does reflect badly on me. It's unfortunate that there are people who don't think before they start these types of activities, but they've always been around and always will be.

 

[jimeast]

I disagree. Regarding airplanes, motorcycles and cars, you might be able to buy an airplane, but you can't insure it or fly it if you don't have a license and a medical. The insurance will be very high if your not properly trained, Also needs to be registered. A motorcycle license and test is also needed (safety courses required in some areas if not all)

You are right a guy can buy a high performance car without the skill to drive it and many supercars, etc are wrecked within a few miles of the dealership or first real drive, and the government is slowly taking control of this situation in a way that limits our freedom.

If I was selling my snowblower, I would certainly offer to go through the controls and make sure the buyer was comfortable with it. Same with a power tool, and the same with a firearm.

I don't think there is always a legal obligation to make sure that a person is properly trained when making a private sale, but there is a moral obligation at some level.

Also, the best way to keep the government out of our business as citizens is to properly manage ourselves. If the notion of selling guns in a private transactions becomes a statistical safety issue that is measured and deemed unacceptable, the government will step in.

That's really not a supportable position, J.

It is also perfectly legal to buy an airplane with zero experience, and certain types can be legally flown with absolutely zero training. No license is required. However, if someone chooses to do so it absolutely does reflect poorly on them.

You can buy a motorcycle without any training or previous experience. It doesn't matter if you've ever sat on a bicycle before, it doesn't even matter if you have a licence to use one on public roads, you can take home a Hayabusa today if you have the normal purchase price. Doing so again reflects poorly on you. Same with cars by the way. You don't need a licence to buy a car.

You can do all sorts of dangerous things without any experience or training. Buy dangerous materials, hike in extreme regions, build or repair safety-critical machines, etc. That's why a basic life skill is recognizing that something is both risky and unfamiliar enough that you should seek out additional information before trying it yourself. Not recognizing that you are out of your depth absolutely reflects poorly on you as a person.

Information is readily available. If you buy a gun it generally comes with a manual that details everything you need to know to operate the firearm. If you didn't receive a manual you can generally download a copy. If you don't have internet access you can find books in the library or any gun store has employees that will explain the basics like which direction the bullets point. For free. There are training classes offered all across the country. Ignorance may be everyone's starting point, but staying ignorant is a personal choice. A choice that reflects poorly on anyone who makes that choice.

 

[Ed Ames]

Regarding airplanes, motorcycles and cars, you might be able to buy an airplane, but you can't insure it or fly it if you don't have a license and a medical.

You are factually incorrect. You can build or buy without any oversight, there is no insurance requirement, registration is not required for all aircraft, and a medical only applies to certain types of flying/aircraft.

FAA FAR part 103 specifically outlines the limits of this, but it does exist and people are flying around right this minute without a licence, medical, insurance, ETC., legally. What the (non-idiotic) pilots DO have is training. It isn't required, and there isn't a licence, but most people choose to seek training none the less.

A motorcycle license and test is also needed (safety

To ride on public roads. Not to buy. You can buy them all day long without any driver's license at all.

 

[Sam1911]

My belief is that if the seller does not give adequate instruction, or direction toward instruction, and the buyer is not interested in proper use/operation of the said firearm, then there will continue to be these unbelievable examples of mankind's march to oblivion.

But we, in our infinite hubris (as a society, though not yet as a whole species), believe this is a bad thing. Mankind's not marching to oblivion, not by a long shot, but some balance must exist between a world that, on the one hand, is so lethal that humans don't survive well enough to learn and improve, and on the other hand, coddling those who make poor choices and lack a thoughtful and focused self-preservation drive, thus continuing to sweep those who get splashed out, through their own merits, back into the gene pool.

Makers not providing gun use instructions and gun safety information would be bad for the species. People choosing to wing it and suffering the consequences? Not necessarily so.

 

[wally]

And then there is this:

Barney Fife joins SWAT!

Almost as good as the designs for a reverse bottle neck cartridge! Although some of the first black powder "hand canons" were reverse bottle neck in the sense that part of the barrel holding the powder charge was smaller in diameter than where the bullet was loaded in. Supposedly this improved the performance of the inconsistent powders of the time by increasing the initial pressure.

People choosing to wing it and suffering the consequences? Not necessarily so.

Yeah, the gene pool is in dire need of some chlorine.

 

[Patrick123]

QUOTamE="Sistema1927, post: 10491736, member: 11210"]And then there is this:

[/QUOTE]
I
Iam sure I am missing something here, seems to have finger out of trigger guard? What
is the problem?

 

[bikemutt]

QUOTamE="Sistema1927, post: 10491736, member: 11210"]And then there is this:

I
Iam sure I am missing something here, seems to have finger out of trigger guard? What
is the problem?[/QUOTE]

Mine's not exactly the same model but, the magazine angle seems a bit off...

 

[Ignition Override]

Patrick123:
Look at the curvature of the magazine. Isn't it curved to the rear, instead of forwards?

As for airplanes, I'm finishing a career in them, retiring next month. If you build your own plane as two friends did--experimental category--nobody stops you from doing a preflight and taking off from a rural, grass strip. If you fly at least 500' from people, houses, and much further from airports and below Class B (formerly TCAs) etc airspace, nobody can stop you, until you screw up.

How US states seem to require any training or certification to simply own a gun?

 

[Mauser lover]

Okay, first off... I'm not really an HK guy, neither am I a GLOCK guy, so please forgive me for my ignorance. Oh, also, not because I despise the firearms from either manufacturer (although I'm not quite sure what I think about the whole delayed blowback extraction thing in .308, but I digress) but because the "right" deal has not come across my path at the right time.

I totally get loading the cartridges into the magazine backwards. It is possible. I understand! After all, the extremely popular Mars pistols and also the newer Boberg pistols used magazines that worked that way so it is understandable that someone would be unfamiliar with the use of that abnormal HK and AR-7 magazine and load it backwards. But... how in the world did that individual with the HK submachine gun (or lookalike) get the mag to stay in? Isn't the mag catch on the back of the magazine? Again, I don't have one to try, but I thought they were on the back.

Okay, now back to the original post... Isn't the 9mm a tapered cartridge? How did it fit backwards? How far into the chamber did it make it? If this thing fed from the magazine BACKWARD (and I don't know for sure that it did, it is always possible that it was just dropped into the chamber), why do we keep complaining about wadcutters in autoloaders?