Thinking about a Benelli M4

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I've been thinking about getting a good police semiauto shotgun and the Benelli M4 is at the top of the list. I am a police officer and I'd like to be able to shoot not only highpowered loads, but reduced recoil loads such as bean bags. So, using a recoil operated semiauto is out of the question. I'm thinking of using only a single long gun on patrol which can cover close range, and also serve as a 100 yard carbine with good slugs. With my 870 I can get 4" groupings at 100 yards with quality slugs.

For you M4 owners, how has the reliability of the M4 been overall? Highpowered loads?.....reduced recoil loads?......bean bags? How about the reliability of the gas system? I know that most gas operated semiauto pistols and rifles suffer from leading problems not only of the barrel, but in the gas system if using exposed lead. This concerns me and I wanted to know if there is any leading, and if it effects the operation of the gas system. Any info from the M4 owners out there would be greatly appreciated. Anything I might need to know about it? Thanks. :)
 
Not sure if you are 100% committed on the M4 yet, but take a good look at the FNH SLP. It's gas operated and has proved very reliable for me. It has an 18" barrel and the fit is perfect. The cost is under $800, so you would save enough money to outfit it with lights, sling, etc. I mounted a M3X tactical light to the tube via a 30mm scope ring with integrated rail.

Randy
 
Not committed yet. I haven't considered the FN SLP, it looks like a nice alternative. I wonder if the gas system is as reliable as the M4 is claimed to be. Have you tried firing reduced recoil or bean bags out of it? Had any trouble at all with it?
 
A buddy of mine bought an SLP a few months ago and he's had nothing but trouble with it. It cycles with slugs and heavy buckshot loads, but anything lighter won't cycle reliably (yes, he has the light load gas valve installed). He needs to send it to FN so they can take a look at it. Something ain't right somewhere.
 
Mossberg 930SPX, you can buy two (almost 3) of them for the price of the M4.

The 930 is extremely reliable, do a search....

It will shoot ANY load including LTL loads. Holds 7+1, and compares very well to the Winchester/FN guns...

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The M4 is an awesome shotgun!!!

I have had my M4 for almost 2 years and couldn’t be happier with it, it has been 100% reliable with everything from my light target reloads (#8 shot) to max DRAM 3” magnum buckshot loads and can effortlessly cycle through 9 shells faster than I can keep up with the trigger, it's also one of the softest shooting and easiest to control 12ga shotguns that I have ever shot.

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The M4 being designed to serve as the US military’s Joint Service Combat Shotgun (JSCS) (designated the M1014) is built for extremely rugged use in combat conditions so it's not the lightest out there but the extra weight and ARGO (Auto-Regulating Gas-Operated) system of the M4 makes for a very fast, smooth and soft shooting platform.

The ARGO system will pretty much cycle everything other than super light loads like non-lethal and it will do so no matter how much extra weight is on the shotgun or how firmly it’s held.

The ARGO system is pretty simple and very clean running for a gas operated shotgun, the system consists of two cylinders, two stainless steel pistons and two stainless steel cylinder plugs that each contain a spring loaded pressure regulating bleed off valve.

A single hole in each cylinder that leads into the barrel just in front of the chamber channels the gas to power the pistons, the pistons only move about ¼” and push the bolt carrier back to unlock and cycle the action, the cylinder plugs help to keep an optimal pressure level in the cylinders by remaining closed with low powered shells or opening up with hi powered shells to release excess gas pressure.

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I bought a Benelli Super 90 once because it was supposed to be (then) the lightest, fastest cycling, quickest handling, softest recoiling shotgun on the market at the time, and was the latest wiz-bang thing out there. I decided I simply must have one.
I soon discovered that particular gun was long on hype, and short on performance. I could not group all pellets on a man-size target at a range beyond 18 or so yards, the groups split high and low, it kicked like a Government Mule on steroids with a grudge on slugs. It was the fastest cycling I ever fired. I was lucky to find a buyer to take it off of my hands. I would have Vang Comped it, but Hans Vang didn't do Benellis or Ithacas at the time.
Gixerman 1000, how does yours pattern? I understand the gas system will make it kick less than mine did, but at 20 yards with 00 BK, the pellets landed 10-14 inches apart sometimes, depending on the load. The best load I found were Remington Reduced Recoil LEO buckshot, but I could not get that load anymore.
 
Unfortunately, the Mossy won't work. My agency requires that the safety be the push through style just in front of the trigger.

For me it all boils down to reliability. If I have to pay more for the M4 I will, but if the FN SLP will fill the same job just as well, it would be nice to have and extra $800-900 in my pocket.
 
fearless leader =

It patterns great, with 20 pellet #1 buck (my favorite) using the modified choke it will print a nice even circle about 16" at 25 yards, it came with cylinder, improved cylinder and a modified choke and it will accept any standard Benelli or Beretta chokes so it wouldn’t be too hard to find a load / choke combination that fits you needs.
 
Gixerman1000,

Does the M4 bolt lock open on the last round fired? Also, does it have a hold open bolt lever/switch? Lastly, where did you get the extended magazine tube and how much did you pay for it? Thanks.
 
I've never tried a beanbag from my Benelli M4 and probably won't unless someone gives me some. But I've fired a few different kinds of standard factory loads including buckshot, birdshot, and slugs from Winchester, Federal, Remington, and a couple of other companies. They've included reduced recoil and full power, and I've mixed them into the magazine in no particular order. What I've been doing mostly is to see if I can get the gun to fail with any combination of anything I might be likely to use. It's not a scientific experiment or a gun test. I think I've fired around 500 rounds from it so far (a guess). No failures.

My M4 is similar to every other shotgun I own in that it patterns differently with different loads and even slightly differently with the same brand and load from different lots. Out to about 10-12 yards with the Federal LE Tactical #00 I usually use, though, it patterns the same as my Benelli M1: one big hole similar to what a slug might do but larger. No difference that I can see.

Slugs shoot accurately from both the M1 and the M4 to 75 yards, which is the longest distance I've tested them for grouping. I have shot slugs out of both offhand at objects (milk jugs, clay pigeons, and thickish twigs) out to 100 yards and the objects go away. It's fun and it seems to impress obervers but I don't think it's an especially useful application of a shotgun.

I've also used the M4 with birdshot at a wobble trap. Let me say as tactfully as I can that I did no worse with it than with most other shotguns. Tom Knapp I'm not.

I'm not much of a partisan for one brand or model shotgun over another. I have a favorite Remington 870, for example, that loves me and I respond with similar affection. I've seen more than a few shooters run an 870 much faster than I can or ever could. Those guys be good. They are better than I am. I, though, with either of the Benellis (M1 or M4) can equal or beat their speed a little. That's no great achievement because I think anyone can do it with these Benellis. I also think those 870 shooters could whip me if they were shooting the Benellis instead of their 870s. The quality is in the shooter, not the guns. I mention it, though, because I think a second tier shooter can equal the usable speed of someone in the first tier with faster hardware. Maybe I'm wrong though, and I don't know if it matters anyway. Focused intensity is what prevails, I think.

One thing I very much like about the M4 (and the M1 too) is that its loading is more efficient than any other shotgun I've used in slug select drills and after the magazine is depleted. Even if the magazine is loaded with shotshells a slug can be popped into the ejection port and chambered without discarding a round from the magazine. I've learned that when the magazine on a Benelli is depleted it's much faster to ignore the magazine and simply load the ejection port and fire a round at a time. I know it doesn't sound right but it is, at least for me. I'll replenish the magazine at leisure but not while running the gun.

My sense of the M4 is that it might live up to its advertising by being better able than my M1 to withstand harsh conditions. It is built like a tank. It's heavier than my M1, though, and therefore not as much like a magic wand. That's not to say that the M4 is ungainly: it isn't, only not so elegant as the M1.

People who have shot both my M1 and my M4 say that the perceived recoil on the M4 is slightly stouter with the same ammunition. I try to feel the difference but I can't. They seem similar to me. I know, though, that when I'm deeply involved in shooting I tend to blank out such sensations and it takes an awful lot to register on me.

In your line of work I suspect that the M4 is a good choice.

Benelli USA discontinued import of its own two-round extended magazine tubes a year or more ago. Some are still floating around for sale. eBay sellers used to offer them until a couple of months ago when eBay policy prohibited sale of such things. They might still be available through sites like Gunbroker though. The Benelli part screws onto the existing tube and extends it. I know of two aftermarket full length tubes. I haven't seen either so I can't speak to their quality. The aftermarket parts are longer and replace the existing tube.

For the bolt hold open release button, look at the photo in the message above. It's the button below and towards the front of the ejection port. That's standard Benelli, on the M1, M4, and other Benelli semi-autos.
 
Does the M4 bolt lock open on the last round fired? Also, does it have a hold open bolt lever/switch? Lastly, where did you get the extended magazine tube and how much did you pay for it? Thanks.

It's a factory +2 extension that I bought NIB off of Ebay, I would rather not even think about the price or I’ll get a nose bleed and my ass will start hurting again, lets just say I got into a bidding war at the last second and I sure showed them hahaha.

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Here’s a good copy of the original though

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One other thing that might be worth mentioning. Benelli made a collapsible stock for the M4 and it's what was issued to the military. It was available to civilians as an option but Benelli USA stopped selling it to them a while back too. You as a police officer can get it from them, though. Last LEO price I heard was around $90.

It's probably a good idea for use with body armor but I understand that it slaps the cheek smartly each time the gun is fired. Sure looks cool, though, and that's only slightly less important than actually hitting things. :)

Second other thing that needs mentioning. The proper sling for an M4 is an H&K MP5 sling.

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(All those who know that I'm wrong are prohibited from reading this paragraph.) It's why there's a sling attachment point through the side of the stock. You won't look cool with a different sling. If you stand next to me and have a different one I will mock you and mutter imprecations. Those slings are hard to get but it's still possible with some looking. Although it looks like a nightmare to rig it's actually simple and intuitive. Put things where they seem to belong and they will turn out to belong there. Just make sure to turn the front sling attachment point (at the magazine tube) to the left or right, depending on which way you want the sling to fall. You don't want it facing down, as it is in the photographs above: it won't perform properly that way.

When you get yours and have given it a first workout, please share your impressions here? Good, bad, or indifferent such things are worth knowing. They contribute to the general fund of knowledge.
 
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