jonnyc
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Another vote for the Tikka T3, in .308. That caliber is a bit more versatile than the .30-06.
A good piece of glass and you're sitting pretty.
A good piece of glass and you're sitting pretty.
Jonnyc you are going to have to work pretty hard to convince me that the .308 is more versatile than the .30-06. How do you figure that? I am not trying to be argumentative, but really want to know your thought process. The .308 is, in essence a .30-06 short. The .30-06 can shoot bullets much heavier than the .308 can. The only real advantage I see for the .308 is a short action in a bolt rifle. I have heard the more inherent accuracy before, but I am kind of “meh” regarding that.
I have gotten sub MOA out of both out of box with factory ammo. But both were a few years old. Latest manufacture with Remington under new management I don't know.As much as I love the Remington 700, I do not know that it is going to outshoot the Tikka from what I have read. Are the current ones accurate and solid rifles?
Yes, I load .30-06. I have shot M-1 service rifles for years.
Jonnyc you are going to have to work pretty hard to convince me that the .308 is more versatile than the .30-06. How do you figure that? I am not trying to be argumentative, but really want to know your thought process. The .308 is, in essence a .30-06 short. The .30-06 can shoot bullets much heavier than the .308 can. The only real advantage I see for the .308 is a short action in a bolt rifle. I have heard the more inherent accuracy before, but I am kind of “meh” regarding that.
a 30-06 is useless. if you shoot at a deer more then 25 yds away the bullet will bounce offI’ve given a bit of thought towards a new rifle, I always wanted to replace my old 30-06 but I keep thinking that there are a lot of interesting calibers beyond the standard set by days gone by.
Excellent choice
.30-06 IS the DO-ALL caliber
The only other caliber comparable, would be .280 Rem. .280AI will be a step up, but handload only.
Already loading for .30-06, seals it. Unless you want a new caliber.
The .308 family, 7-08, .260, are great for deer, but marginal for elk.
I love my .260, accurate, light recoil, outstanding deer, coyote, hog round.
If I'm hunting elk, I'm carrying. 30-06.
You can run bullets about an extra 20gr heavier in a 30-06 over 308win. So ~220gr RN in a 30-06 v ~200gr RN in a 308win. No great velocity advantage from a 30-06 over a 308win either.
Strictly performance wise, the 30-06 is more versatile by a touch.
But "versatile" dosen't have to mean on paper balistics.
The 308win can be had in a dizzying plethora of firearms. Old school battle rifles like Enfields, FR-8s, Garands, etc. It can be found in some cool Cold War Era rifles, CETMEs, FN FAL's, M1A1's. Also available in some modern rifles as well, AR10's SCAR17's, Sig Cross, and the Henry Long Ranger. Certainly something in there will scratch an itch for almost anymore. That's pretty flexible to me.
Just playing devil's advocate, I think both cartridges are excellent. I just have few cases where I feel a 30-06 is plenty, but a 308 is insufficient. So I usually go with the model in 308, because I've already got multiple other 308's.
with new powders and bullets the velocity in a 30-06 will match the velocity of 300 WM in the 50's and 60's. naturally new powders boost the magnums somewhat alsoYou can run bullets about an extra 20gr heavier in a 30-06 over 308win. So ~220gr RN in a 30-06 v ~200gr RN in a 308win. No great velocity advantage from a 30-06 over a 308win either.
Strictly performance wise, the 30-06 is more versatile by a touch.
But "versatile" dosen't have to mean on paper balistics.
The 308win can be had in a dizzying plethora of firearms. Old school battle rifles like Enfields, FR-8s, Garands, etc. It can be found in some cool Cold War Era rifles, CETMEs, FN FAL's, M1A1's. Also available in some modern rifles as well, AR10's SCAR17's, Sig Cross, and the Henry Long Ranger. Certainly something in there will scratch an itch for almost anymore. That's pretty flexible to me.
Just playing devil's advocate, I think both cartridges are excellent. I just have few cases where I feel a 30-06 is plenty, but a 308 is insufficient. So I usually go with the model in 308, because I've already got multiple other 308's.
Well, that would be 375 H&H, but the 06 ain't bad....30-06 IS the DO-ALL caliber
Well, that would be 375 H&H, but the 06 ain't bad...
OP, if I were in your shoes, I look at a Winchester M70 or Tikka of your liking in 308. Unless you are planning on hunting elk or larger game at more than 300y, the 308 will serve you just fine. Recoil is not bad, bullet selection (as with the 06) is great, and I like the shorter action. But that is a personal preference.
I've taken three deer with a Winchester M70 in 308 and none of them went more than about 20 yards. First one I shot was at almost 400y. She went down, stood up, staggered in a circle and went down for good. 308 with a good hunting bullet and proper shot placement will serve you well.
If I ever feel the need for more umph then the 308 can provide, I'll grab my 375 H&H. Which I've taken whitetail with. That big 270gr Barnes TSX did less meat damage than my friends 6.5 PRC...
Well, it's not. And the recoil on my rifle is better than some light weight 30-06s I've shot. And it's absolutely better than the 300 mags. It's a big shove. It's not terrible at all..375 is wayyyyyyy too much for anything except elk, moose, Bison, bear.
Too much bullet, too much, powder and too much recoil.
Do-All Worldwide, but North America;
.30-06 makes more sense.
my 375 H&H is the best prairie dog rifle I ownWell, it's not. And the recoil on my rifle is better than some light weight 30-06s I've shot. And it's absolutely better than the 300 mags. It's a big shove. It's not terrible at all.
My results, and those of many others, would say different. If you can shoot a 12ga then you can shoot a 375. And again, it does less meat damage than some of the new whiz bang low recoil 6 and 6.5s that every one is bandwagoning at the moment. I never said it was the best, I like 308 for light to medium game, but it absolutely works. My results and experience have proven that.
Never tired that!my 375 H&H is the best prairie dog rifle I own
I was thinking more of ammo sourcing. Lot's easier to find lots of variety in .308 ammo than .30-06...not to mention rifles that are chambered in it.Jonnyc you are going to have to work pretty hard to convince me that the .308 is more versatile than the .30-06. How do you figure that? I am not trying to be argumentative, but really want to know your thought process. The .308 is, in essence a .30-06 short. The .30-06 can shoot bullets much heavier than the .308 can. The only real advantage I see for the .308 is a short action in a bolt rifle. I have heard the more inherent accuracy before, but I am kind of “meh” regarding that.
.375 is wayyyyyyy too much for anything except elk, moose, Bison, bear.
Too much bullet, too much, powder and too much recoil.
Do-All Worldwide, but North America;
.30-06 makes more sense.