Ash
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Get a life - or better yet, read my posts. Nah, forget it. With your theories, I'll bet your fantasy football really rocks.
Thinking About Selling My Revolver
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TheGoldenSaber
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That's one good thing about me, I say it like it is. Even if I like something a lot I'm not going to be delusional about it. I tend to be a little stubborn but if I'm proven wrong I'll accept it and embrace it. I just looked up the 357 more and it looks like the realistic semi auto equivalent is the 10mm. The 10mm is still not quite up to par with the 357 Magnum but it holds 2-3 more shots. After looking into it I would rather have the Smith for sheer power, but I still feel safer with more rounds.
Knowing that even a .22 in the right spot will drop a bad guy makes me feel safer with 15 chances to hit vitals. I think people get unrealistic and have the notion that it takes a bazooka to take a bad guy down.
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the key concept being "in the right spot"...
TheGoldenSaber
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I'm not cocky, but I'm confident that with my shooting in 15 shots I would definitely hit vitals. The 9mm has been around for almost 114 years so I have faith in it. There's just as many failure to stops with the .40, the .45 and many other calibers that it really doesn't matter. A pistol is only used to get to a rifle anyways. They're all weak with the exception of a few ridiculous, unpractical hand cannons that would never even be considered for concealed carry.
I love my revolvers because they don't have a manual firing thumb inhibitor.
Also since they don't have an automated brass casing removal flinger then the chances of a FTF or FTE are much lower.
I will shoot the bad guys while they all clear their jams, or should I say malfunction firing inhibitor?
Also since they don't have an automated brass casing removal flinger then the chances of a FTF or FTE are much lower.
I will shoot the bad guys while they all clear their jams, or should I say malfunction firing inhibitor?
TheGoldenSaber
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I agree that revolvers are simpler and generally more reliable, but not always. The bad thing is that when revolvers do jam it's usually so bad that you need tools to fix it. Here's a link: https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/ccm-columns/features/revolvers-dont-jam-and-other-firearms-myths/
Also I have a semi auto with a manual safety, but I can leave it off with a round in the chamber if I want to. Then all i have to do is draw and fire, just like a revolver.
This is the revolver section of the forum, so naturally you guys are revolver fans. I'm not trying to talk crap in any way, but I just wanted to point out that they're not perfect either. My revolver is actually a lot more fun than my semi auto, but I just prefer to carry the semi auto personally. Maybe I'll get a J frame as a backup gun or something.
I appreciate all of the replies so far.
evan price
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If you don't like it, sell it.
It's a gun, which is a tool, not a lifestyle choice.
If you don't like it, get it out to someone who will like it and buy what you want.
These "Convince me to buy/sell something" threads are all silly. I don't know you, it's your money, do what you want.
It's a gun, which is a tool, not a lifestyle choice.
If you don't like it, get it out to someone who will like it and buy what you want.
These "Convince me to buy/sell something" threads are all silly. I don't know you, it's your money, do what you want.
Ash
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What I find interesting is the revolver crowd has reasons for their selections and the auto crowd seems to have a hard time with that. I do both and see value in both. But some guys seem to think this is Call of Duty or Modern Warfare. You are not going to engage a dozen hardened combat troops seeking your demise. You are not going to engage a dozen PCP influenced thugs. You are not going to engage a dozen gang bangers intent on taking you out.
You might. But let's consider this board. We have had members die. None from shootouts with thugs. Theories aside, it seems cancer and heart attacks are our real risk.
I'll echo what I stated earlier: use what makes you comfortable. Test obviously is not comfortable unless he carries a full-size duty pistol (you conceal that, or what?). Golden wants an auto - he should get one - or based on other posts elsewhere he already has one. Their security needs are evidently met.
But get over the fact that I might leave my Swiss AT-84 with 15 round magazine at home in favor of a Colt Trooper Mk V with a paltry 6 rounds. You are not somehow wiser nor smarter because of your choice or how much you have worked out your theories.
You might. But let's consider this board. We have had members die. None from shootouts with thugs. Theories aside, it seems cancer and heart attacks are our real risk.
I'll echo what I stated earlier: use what makes you comfortable. Test obviously is not comfortable unless he carries a full-size duty pistol (you conceal that, or what?). Golden wants an auto - he should get one - or based on other posts elsewhere he already has one. Their security needs are evidently met.
But get over the fact that I might leave my Swiss AT-84 with 15 round magazine at home in favor of a Colt Trooper Mk V with a paltry 6 rounds. You are not somehow wiser nor smarter because of your choice or how much you have worked out your theories.
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I do not have a hard time with the "revolver crowd" or their choice. My objection is to your reasoning.
No one brought up those scenarios, but if falsely representing other's position is what makes you sleep better at night, then have at it.
OP was talking about 15 shot 9mm Glock which is not a full size duty pistol. But, since you're asking, I carry an M&P40 concealed.
Modern "full size" pistols are not really that big as full size service guns in the past. It is not any more harder than concealed carrying a 3 inch barrel revolver.
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Quentin
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If you like the S&W revolver, keep it. If you want a semiauto, get it.
I bought a S&W Model 19 in 1975 then a year later bought a Colt 1911 which became my carry gun. If I had sold the sweet lookin', sweet shootin' 19 I'd still be kickin' myself almost 40 years later.
Some guns are keepers, no matter what! Your decision but choose wisely.
I bought a S&W Model 19 in 1975 then a year later bought a Colt 1911 which became my carry gun. If I had sold the sweet lookin', sweet shootin' 19 I'd still be kickin' myself almost 40 years later.
Some guns are keepers, no matter what! Your decision but choose wisely.
Ash
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Nothing false and get over my reasoning - nobody needs a nanny. The funny thing is that I am fine with your choice and reason but your panties are twisted real tight with my own. I don't falsely bring up scenarios - you are the one firmly in belief that you will be assaulted by determined and disciplined attackers who will not mind when the brains of one of their numbers spread out in a grey mist behind them.
You have what you like, I frankly don't care. As I have pointed out, it is up to the user what he chooses to use and you cannot sleep well without high capacity. That is fine as many prefer more rounds. If you lose sleep that I am satisfied with 6 rounds, knowing what I know, then there are medications for that.
You have what you like, I frankly don't care. As I have pointed out, it is up to the user what he chooses to use and you cannot sleep well without high capacity. That is fine as many prefer more rounds. If you lose sleep that I am satisfied with 6 rounds, knowing what I know, then there are medications for that.
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SABER,
I was issued a S&W model 13 and then replaced that with my own S&W 681. In the end, I switched over to a GLOCK 19 the first chance I had. The GLOCK was lighter, held 2 and a half times as much ammo, was much, much faster to reload and was more reliable.
YES-I said reliable. My class was issued 47 model 13's and about 11 of them had problems. 2 could not even be shot.
I will admit that I prefer semi-auto's to revolvers, but my carry load in the revolver was 110 grain jhp at 1,300 fps (ISSUE LOAD, NO CHOICE) and for the GLOCK, I was issued 115 grain +P+ at 1,300 fps. Not hard to figure that one out!
I would recommend that you shoot which ever is more comfortable and useful to you, but for self defense or concealed carry, there is no choice at all in my mind.
Jim
SABER,
I was issued a S&W model 13 and then replaced that with my own S&W 681. In the end, I switched over to a GLOCK 19 the first chance I had. The GLOCK was lighter, held 2 and a half times as much ammo, was much, much faster to reload and was more reliable.
YES-I said reliable. My class was issued 47 model 13's and about 11 of them had problems. 2 could not even be shot.
I will admit that I prefer semi-auto's to revolvers, but my carry load in the revolver was 110 grain jhp at 1,300 fps (ISSUE LOAD, NO CHOICE) and for the GLOCK, I was issued 115 grain +P+ at 1,300 fps. Not hard to figure that one out!
I would recommend that you shoot which ever is more comfortable and useful to you, but for self defense or concealed carry, there is no choice at all in my mind.
Jim
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Do not forget to attend a defensive handgun course if you have not taken one in the past two years. It is more important to do that than it is to acquire a new gun.
I recently attended my first dedicated revolver course. I have taken revolvers to courses in the past, but a revolver oriented instructor made a huge difference in my shooting. I feel confident enough to carry it with 38 Special +P ammo only; I have not trained with 357 Magnum and the recoil affects my split times. Even so, I always carry a backup pistol.
I recently attended my first dedicated revolver course. I have taken revolvers to courses in the past, but a revolver oriented instructor made a huge difference in my shooting. I feel confident enough to carry it with 38 Special +P ammo only; I have not trained with 357 Magnum and the recoil affects my split times. Even so, I always carry a backup pistol.
Ash
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Comparing a new Glock to a pile of used revolvers isn't the way to compare reliability. Take a pile of well-used Gen 1 Glocks (okay, there really aren't many of those around anymore as police departments rotate them out more than they used to rotate out revolvers) against a new S&W and the results can be inverted.
All things considered, a revolver in working condition will be more reliable with all sorts of ammo than an auto. It does not mean there are autos that are perfectly reliable, I have numerous autos that have never choked, but the revolver gives you greater choices in bullet type, and all bullet types work in revolvers if they fit in the chamber. For every incident of a jammed revolver, I can toss two or more instances of an auto failing, either from weak springs, bad extractors, bad magazines, unknown errors to feed normally good rounds, limp wristing, low-powered loads etc.
All of that means that you select what you want, you test it to ensure reliability, and you train with it to make sure if you have to shoot somebody, you can do so competently while at the same time dealing with other variables intangibles that might show up.
All things considered, a revolver in working condition will be more reliable with all sorts of ammo than an auto. It does not mean there are autos that are perfectly reliable, I have numerous autos that have never choked, but the revolver gives you greater choices in bullet type, and all bullet types work in revolvers if they fit in the chamber. For every incident of a jammed revolver, I can toss two or more instances of an auto failing, either from weak springs, bad extractors, bad magazines, unknown errors to feed normally good rounds, limp wristing, low-powered loads etc.
All of that means that you select what you want, you test it to ensure reliability, and you train with it to make sure if you have to shoot somebody, you can do so competently while at the same time dealing with other variables intangibles that might show up.
I didn't bother to look up Jim but the story of Lance Thomas is interesting. Lance ran a Rolex shop on a bad part of LA. He is also involved in the type of business that leads to having someone ordering a profession hit on him. He trades bullets with bad guys 4 times from 1989 to 1992 as people try to rob his store or assassinate him. The vast majority of these deal with Lance going for his gun after the bad gun has drawn his and is pointing it at Lance.
What I learned from this story:
1. Don't run a Rolex shop in the bad part of LA
2. Don't deal with the kind of people that have professional hit men on their payroll.
3. Bad guys are bad shots
4. Lance is really lucky because he got shot a total of 5 times and didn't die.
I currently live in a very safe suburb. However, that wasn't always the case and I lived in downtown Flint, Michigan in the mid 90s when it lead the nation in murders per capita and it was not uncommon to hear gunshots at night. I did not carry a gun at the time and somehow managed to survive. My rules of survival:
1. Don't be involved with drugs
2. Don't hang out with people involved with drugs
3. Use common sense
People on these forum can go through all types of scenarios but at the end of the day the likelihood of any of us using a gun in self defense is tiny. The person most likely to kill you with a gun is you. The second person most likely to kill you with a gun is your spouse or partner. So don't get depressed and don't piss off your wife and you will be OK. For the average guy the talk about whether a semi-auto or a revolver is best in a gunfight is just that: talk.
Ash
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Situational awareness is key. A deacon at my church is a retired jeweler. He carried - and still does carry - a revolver all the time because he might have diamonds or other valuables on his person, or he was in his shop where he had all sorts of valuables (including a Rolex or two). Even without having any valuables on him, he spent his life a kind of "marked man" because of his occupation. Now, he has never recounted stories of using the revolver, and we have talked alot as I am also a deacon at this church, and his firearm of choice is only incidental to the story as it could have been a small auto. I suspect if he had needed to draw on somebody, I'd have heard the story by now.
I am a forester among other things and from time to time carry in the woods (not to mention times I am in the swamps and carry for that reason). Poachers, trespassers, pot growers, these are the kinds of bad guys I encounter (plus an occasionally irate hunting club member who thinks he owns the property next to his club, too). I thank the Lord I haven't ever had to shoot anybody, though being shot at from a distance it pretty unnerving.
A man's occupation determines the kinds of people who might come after him. If the value is indeterminant, baddies who show up are not likely going to be the same caliber as those who seek a big payoff from a jeweler. Looters are looking for the easy theft and so will not engage in a firefight (we didn't have that problem in our Katrina-ravaged town fortunately). That is why they are looters. If desperate and hungry, they might hang around and do bodily harm, but we don't waste time on SHTF scenarios here.
Staying away from the wrong side of the tracks is another good idea. Avoid trouble where possible.
I am a forester among other things and from time to time carry in the woods (not to mention times I am in the swamps and carry for that reason). Poachers, trespassers, pot growers, these are the kinds of bad guys I encounter (plus an occasionally irate hunting club member who thinks he owns the property next to his club, too). I thank the Lord I haven't ever had to shoot anybody, though being shot at from a distance it pretty unnerving.
A man's occupation determines the kinds of people who might come after him. If the value is indeterminant, baddies who show up are not likely going to be the same caliber as those who seek a big payoff from a jeweler. Looters are looking for the easy theft and so will not engage in a firefight (we didn't have that problem in our Katrina-ravaged town fortunately). That is why they are looters. If desperate and hungry, they might hang around and do bodily harm, but we don't waste time on SHTF scenarios here.
Staying away from the wrong side of the tracks is another good idea. Avoid trouble where possible.
Elm Creek Smith
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I guess I'm a dinosaur. All of my fellows at work carry Glock 22 semiautos. I carry a S&W Model 686 with a S&W Model 37 as a back-up. If they ever beat my qualification scores, I'll think about switching...to a 1911A1.
If you're worried about being outnumbered, you don't need a handgun; you need a rifle.
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If you're worried about being outnumbered, you don't need a handgun; you need a rifle.
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