this seems strange, even by California standards

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If the prosecutor has real evidence of illegal acts by any of the people served, let him bring charges. Otherwise, since when does SUSPICION justify, IN THIS COUNTRY, SUCH ABROGATION OF BASIC CIVIL RIGHTS? I find myself rather curious on that score.

OPINION RELEASE: More Police State Of America CLOSING IN


Gangs of West Sac
In California, anyone can be a gangster
_Kerry Howley_ (mailto:[email protected])



Sergio Flores, 25, says he didn't know he was a gangster until the state of
California told him he was. Last February, the police department of West
Sacramento served him with an injunction stating that as a member of The
Broderick Boys, a local Latino gang, he had lost the right to move around the
neighborhood of Broderick-where he happens to live-after 10 PM. Flores told
the _Sacramento News and Review_
(http://www.newsreview.com/issues/sacto/2005-06-23/cover.asp) that he was never told what, exactly, qualifies him as a member of the gang.
"It doesn't make any sense. There are some bad guys out there, but I don't
know them," he says. Flores is one of 95 people who have lost the right to move freely in a 3-square-mile swath of West Sacramento. They have each been served with a _Civil Gang Injunction_ (http://www.oxnardpd.org/misc/GangInjunction.htm) , a
crime-fighting tactic that has become increasingly popular with district
attorneys across California. In February the local D.A.s imposed restrictions on
suspected gang members within a declared "safety zone." Alleged Broderick Boys are not allowed on Broderick's streets past 10 p.m., nor are they allowed to communicate with other alleged gang members in public, day or night.
Curfews have an ugly history in the U.S., from restrictions placed on
Japanese Americans in WWII to Jim Crow laws that kept blacks indoors in the
South.
More recently, _youth curfews_ (http://reason.com/9911/fe.md.do.shtml) have orced kids inside after dark and during school hours. They typically yield suburban horror stories about 16-year-olds harassed on the way back from band practice or home-schooled teens getting routinely picked up. When kids are targeted, however, it's arguably straightforward for police to determine whom to send indoors once the curfew hits. But very little
distinguishes a gang member in West Sacramento-an actual Broderick Boy-from a boy who happens to live in Broderick. Police are left to weed one from the other. That could be hard. According to Martha Garcia, who is leading a _grassroots protest_ (http://westsacramento-gang.blogspot.com/) against the injunction, they're one and the same. "A Broderick Boy is a boy who was raised in Broderick," she says. "The Broderick Boys are not a gang. They are not in any form an institution." Other residents say the gang hasn't been active for years. "There were Broderick Boys, back in the 1970s. Those guys are all like 50 now," one community member told the Sacramento News and Review. Aged or otherwise, Local Police Chief Dan Drummond says they're still in force, and they're responsible for precisely 853 crimes over the past three and a half years. He also says he knows who they are. There are eleven criteria used to "validate," or declare someone a gang member. Wearing gang colors like red and blue, sporting a certain tattoo, or being seen in a photograph with another gang member all count.
Garcia says some of the criteria are simply fashionable clothing labels,
like Nor Cal, or symbols important to the local Latino population, such as the
_United Farm Workers logo_ (http://www.backspace.com/notes/2003/05/06/x.html) .
Local papers and Web logs are rife with accounts of men who must now stay
indoors after 10 p.m. because they wore the wrong colors, sport the wrong
tattoos or were photographed in the wrong company years ago. Some 95 people have been served with the injunction, which theoretically lasts forever. Many reportedly live in the confines of the safety zone. For as long as they stay in Broderick, they're under lifetime house arrest past 10 p.m.
The ACLU of Northern California filed a motion last Friday to _halt the
injunction_ (http://www.aclunc.org/pressrel/050728-broderick.html) , arguing that it makes no sense to treat a gang as a single association. When prosecutors file injunctions against corporations, notice is given to an official representative. The Broderick Boys have no formal organization and no clearly established hierarchy. So public prosecutors simply pick a gang member, notify him, and expect news of the injunction to spread by word of mouth.
Alan Schlosser, Legal Director of the ACLU of Northern California, says the
four men the ACLU is representing weren't aware of the injunction before it
was served and never had a chance to protest. He is also concerned that
alleged gang members have no way of knowing whether they're breaking the law by associating with other accused Broderick Boys. "No one even knows who has been served," he explains, "Only the police know."
The battle against gang injunctions looks bleak. They're now part of the
urban landscape in Los Angeles, San Diego, and dozens of communities in
California. L.A. had the first in 1987; now that city alone has 22 of them.
California's high court _upheld_ ( http://home.comcast.net/~jasonanderson102/acuna.htm)
the constitutionality of gang injunctions eight years ago, and California
district attorneys now hold workshops on their implementation. Cheryl Maxson, an associate professor of criminology at UC Irvine who published a recent study on injunctions, says she expects they will continue to spread, despite the fact that they've been shown to be only modestly successful at preventing crime.
Police Chief Drummond says the tactic has been more than modestly effective
in West Sacramento. Violent crime, he says, has dropped 26 percent in the
past five and a half months. To community members worried about civil
liberties, he points out that only 12 people have actually been arrested for violating the injunction alone. Critics of the injunction say the curfew, like most criminalization of normal human activity, is less about stamping out a specific behavior than about giving police more freedom to interfere where they see fit. When congregating and simply being outside is suddenly illegal, police have the discretion to crack down as they please, and those in violation have reason to avoid attracting attention. At a recent protest rally that Martha Garcia held in Broderick, not a single accused Broderick Boy showed up to protest the injunction. Associating with one another in Broderick, after all, would have been illegal. "We asked them not to come," says Garcia, "The police said if they did, they would be arrested."
_Kerry Howley_ (mailto:[email protected]) is an assistant editor of
Reason.
 
That's...appalling.

My jaw has literally dropped, and words are failing me.

Someday a few centuries from now, people are going to look back at what's going on and marvel that anyone could be so blind as to not see what's coming. Just like looking back at the French Revolution; it's hard to conceive that the King and cronies didn't know what they were bringing on themselves.
 
Someday a few centuries from now, people are going to look back at what's going on and marvel that anyone could be so blind as to not see what's coming. Just like looking back at the French Revolution; it's hard to conceive that the King and cronies didn't know what they were bringing on themselves.
Careful, CG. You're getting dangerously close to harmful patriot rhetoric there. :p
 
Clearly they are testing this idea on "gang members" because most people don't like gang members and won't complain.

Eventualy they will declare groups like The Blackwater Rod and Gun Club to be a "gang" ... and they are already expanding the use of the Patriot act to criminals (even though it was only supposed to apply to terrorists).



Scary times, they is a comin' :uhoh:
 
I wonder if they make these people they file injunctions against wear some kind of distinguishing mark. Probably ought to round them up into a confined neighborhood, too.

Due process anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
 
Maybe they should have stars sewn onto their clothing, not allowed them to own property and all move them all to a 'ghetto'. We could issue all of them 'papers' and blue work cards. Then we could hire a new security team, a Super Security team to manage them. We could call them the SS.......

:confused:
 
Eventualy they will declare groups like The Blackwater Rod and Gun Club to be a "gang" ... and they are already expanding the use of the Patriot act to criminals (even though it was only supposed to apply to terrorists).


Terrorism
ter·ror·ism
n.
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

If you envoke terror in others, you are a terrorist. You will be punished to the full extend of the law! :what:

(Source: Dictionary.com)
 
One criteria for determining if one is a gang member is if someone is "Wearing gang colors like red and blue." :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Jeez, are they kidding?


Okay so if your in Sacramento and your wearing Levi's (you know, blue jeans, little red label)....your a gangbanger.

Lord, I want my tax dollars back. I can't believe they are wasting it with crap like this.
 
Wow, news from home and it sucks. I hope the ACLU swats the Sac police department back to the stone age on this one.
 
Maybe they should have stars sewn onto their clothing, not allowed them to own property and all move them all to a 'ghetto'. We could issue all of them 'papers' and blue work cards. Then we could hire a new security team, a Super Security team to manage them. We could call them the SS.......
sounds like its becoming more and more like that though,I think the nazis set the standard for this kind of crap along with communist china and their re-education camps. The folks practicing these tactics today have just sunk to yet another all-time low.


wow..look wrong,be seen with wrong people and youve just been assimulated into gang banger status.judge,jury and sentance without even a trial. Tis scary stuff indeed.
 
From the California Penal Code:

13826.3. (a) An individual shall be subject to gang violence
prosecution efforts who is under arrest for the commission or the
attempted commission of any gang-related violent crime where the
individual is (1) a known member of a gang, and (2) has exhibited a
prior criminal background.
(b) For purposes of this chapter, gang-related means that the
suspect or victim of the crime is a known member of a gang.
(c) For purposes of this chapter, gang violence prosecution
includes both criminal prosecutions and proceedings in Juvenile Court
in which a petition is filed pursuant to Section 602 of the Welfare
and Institutions Code.
******************
186.22. (a) Any person who actively participates in any criminal
street gang with knowledge that its members engage in or have engaged
in a pattern of criminal gang activity, and who willfully promotes,
furthers, or assists in any felonious criminal conduct by members of
that gang, shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail for a
period not to exceed one year, or by imprisonment in the state prison
for 16 months, or two or three years.
(b) (1) Except as provided in paragraphs (4) and (5), any person
who is convicted of a felony committed for the benefit of, at the
direction of, or in association with any criminal street gang, with
the specific intent to promote, further, or assist in any criminal
conduct by gang members, shall, upon conviction of that felony, in
addition and consecutive to the punishment prescribed for the felony
or attempted felony of which he or she has been convicted, be
punished as follows:
(A) Except as provided in subparagraphs (B) and (C), the person
shall be punished by an additional term of two, three, or four years
at the court's discretion.
(B) If the felony is a serious felony, as defined in subdivision
(c) of Section 1192.7, the person shall be punished by an additional
term of five years.
(C) If the felony is a violent felony, as defined in subdivision
(c) of Section 667.5, the person shall be punished by an additional
term of 10 years.
(2) If the underlying felony described in paragraph (1) is
committed on the grounds of, or within 1,000 feet of, a public or
private elementary, vocational, junior high, or high school, during
hours in which the facility is open for classes or school-related
programs or when minors are using the facility that fact shall be a
circumstance in aggravation of the crime in imposing a term under
paragraph (1).
(3) The court shall order the imposition of the middle term of the
sentence enhancement, unless there are circumstances in aggravation
or mitigation. The court shall state the reasons for its choice of
sentencing enhancements on the record at the time of the sentencing.

(4) Any person who is convicted of a felony enumerated in this
paragraph committed for the benefit of, at the direction of, or in
association with any criminal street gang, with the specific intent
to promote, further, or assist in any criminal conduct by gang
members, shall, upon conviction of that felony, be sentenced to an
indeterminate term of life imprisonment with a minimum term of the
indeterminate sentence calculated as the greater of:
(A) The term determined by the court pursuant to Section 1170 for
the underlying conviction, including any enhancement applicable under
Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 1170) of Title 7 of Part 2, or
any period prescribed by Section 3046, if the felony is any of the
offenses enumerated in subparagraphs (B) or (C) of this paragraph.
(B) Imprisonment in the state prison for 15 years, if the felony
is a home invasion robbery, in violation of subparagraph (A) of
paragraph (1) of subdivision (a) of Section 213; carjacking, as
defined in Section 215; a felony violation of Section 246; or a
violation of Section 12022.55.
(C) Imprisonment in the state prison for seven years, if the
felony is extortion, as defined in Section 519; or threats to victims
and witnesses, as defined in Section 136.1.
(5) Except as provided in paragraph (4), any person who violates
this subdivision in the commission of a felony punishable by
imprisonment in the state prison for life, shall not be paroled until
a minimum of 15 calendar years have been served.
(c) If the court grants probation or suspends the execution of
sentence imposed upon the defendant for a violation of subdivision
(a), or in cases involving a true finding of the enhancement
enumerated in subdivision (b), the court shall require that the
defendant serve a minimum of 180 days in a county jail as a condition
thereof.
(d) Any person who is convicted of a public offense punishable as
a felony or a misdemeanor, which is committed for the benefit of, at
the direction of or in association with, any criminal street gang
with the specific intent to promote, further, or assist in any
criminal conduct by gang members, shall be punished by imprisonment
in the county jail not to exceed one year, or by imprisonment in the
state prison for one, two, or three years, provided that any person
sentenced to imprisonment in the county jail shall be imprisoned for
a period not to exceed one year, but not less than 180 days, and
shall not be eligible for release upon completion of sentence,
parole, or any other basis, until he or she has served 180 days. If
the court grants probation or suspends the execution of sentence
imposed upon the defendant, it shall require as a condition thereof
that the defendant serve 180 days in a county jail.
(e) As used in this chapter, "pattern of criminal gang activity"
means the commission of, attempted commission of, conspiracy to
commit, or solicitation of, sustained juvenile petition for, or
conviction of two or more of the following offenses, provided at
least one of these offenses occurred after the effective date of this
chapter and the last of those offenses occurred within three years
after a prior offense, and the offenses were committed on separate
occasions, or by two or more persons:
(1) Assault with a deadly weapon or by means of force likely to
produce great bodily injury, as defined in Section 245.
(2) Robbery, as defined in Chapter 4 (commencing with Section 211)
of Title 8 of Part 1.
(3) Unlawful homicide or manslaughter, as defined in Chapter 1
(commencing with Section 187) of Title 8 of Part 1.
(4) The sale, possession for sale, transportation, manufacture,
offer for sale, or offer to manufacture controlled substances as
defined in Sections 11054, 11055, 11056, 11057, and 11058 of the
Health and Safety Code.
(5) Shooting at an inhabited dwelling or occupied motor vehicle,
as defined in Section 246.
(6) Discharging or permitting the discharge of a firearm from a
motor vehicle, as defined in subdivisions (a) and (b) of Section
12034.
(7) Arson, as defined in Chapter 1 (commencing with Section 450)
of Title 13.
(8) The intimidation of witnesses and victims, as defined in
Section 136.1.
(9) Grand theft, as defined in subdivision (a) or (c) of Section
487.
(10) Grand theft of any firearm, vehicle, trailer, or vessel.
(11) Burglary, as defined in Section 459.
(12) Rape, as defined in Section 261.
(13) Looting, as defined in Section 463.
(14) Money laundering, as defined in Section 186.10.
(15) Kidnapping, as defined in Section 207.
(16) Mayhem, as defined in Section 203.
(17) Aggravated mayhem, as defined in Section 205.
(18) Torture, as defined in Section 206.
(19) Felony extortion, as defined in Sections 518 and 520.
(20) Felony vandalism, as defined in paragraph (1) of subdivision
(b) of Section 594.
(21) Carjacking, as defined in Section 215.
(22) The sale, delivery, or transfer of a firearm, as defined in
Section 12072.
(23) Possession of a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of
being concealed upon the person in violation of paragraph (1) of
subdivision (a) of Section 12101.
(24) Threats to commit crimes resulting in death or great bodily
injury, as defined in Section 422.
(25) Theft and unlawful taking or driving of a vehicle, as defined
in Section 10851 of the Vehicle Code.
(f) As used in this chapter, "criminal street gang" means any
ongoing organization, association, or group of three or more persons,
whether formal or informal, having as one of its primary activities
the commission of one or more of the criminal acts enumerated in
paragraphs (1) to (25), inclusive, of subdivision (e), having a
common name or common identifying sign or symbol, and whose members
individually or collectively engage in or have engaged in a pattern
of criminal gang activity.
(g) Notwithstanding any other law, the court may strike the
additional punishment for the enhancements provided in this section
or refuse to impose the minimum jail sentence for misdemeanors in an
unusual case where the interests of justice would best be served, if
the court specifies on the record and enters into the minutes the
circumstances indicating that the interests of justice would best be
served by that disposition.
(h) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, for each person
committed to the Youth Authority for a conviction pursuant to
subdivision (a) or (b) of this section, the offense shall be deemed
one for which the state shall pay the rate of 100 percent of the per
capita institutional cost of the Department of Youth Authority,
pursuant to Section 912.5 of the Welfare and Institutions Code.
(i) In order to secure a conviction, or sustain a juvenile
petition, pursuant to subdivision (a), it is not necessary for the
prosecution to prove that the person devotes all, or a substantial
part of his or her time or efforts to the criminal street gang, nor
is it necessary to prove that the person is a member of the criminal
street gang. Active participation in the criminal street gang is all
that is required.

*****
It takes a little bit more than police say-so to make someone a member of a gang.

Pilgrim
 
Regarding mention of The Patriot Act, which was supposed to be used in TERRORISM CASES ONLY, and note having been made of it having been used in ordinary criminal matters, it was also used in a case of ALLEGED POLITICAL CORRUPTION, which supposedly took place in Nevada, as memory serves..

Additionally, regarding what I shall refer to as The California Syndrome, California is often held up at THE MODEL WHICH SHOULD BE EMULATED, I never understood why, but that is besides the point. All to often, particularly virulent examples of social policy foolishness, first adopted in California, seems to migrate eastward.

Re this, I respectfully suggest that you keep your eyes and ears open.
 
IMO this kind of crap is rediculous.

Apparently we have similar stuff in Texas althought I havent heard much about restraining orders and the like.

It is however an issue in the latest law change that allows us to carry a handgun concealed in our vehicle without a CHL.

(i) For purposes of Subsection (b)(3), a person is presumed
to be traveling if the person is:
(1) in a private motor vehicle;
(2) not otherwise engaged in criminal activity, other
than a Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance
regulating traffic;
(3) not otherwise prohibited by law from possessing a
firearm;
(4) not a member of a criminal street gang, as defined
by Section 71.01; and
(5) not carrying a handgun in plain view.

albeit our definition of a criminal street gang is a bit better defined than Californias.

(d) "Criminal street gang" means three or more persons having a common identifying sign or symbol or an identifiable leadership who continuously or regularly associate in the commission of criminal activities.
 
ARGH! so stupid.
go to lvoe this >> being seen in a photograph with another gang member all count.<<<<

so where does the photo have to come from ? i am at a bus stop and a gang member gets off the bus and a cop takes a picture, and i am now a gang member?

once someone is actually convicted of a bunch of gang stuff, ok , i could see some restrictions in their parole or whatever, but to arbitrarily decide who is a gang member? ARGh! this poor guy getting run in like that is horrible.
 
Terrorism
ter·ror·ism
n.
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

Wait a minute.

US threatens military action against Iraq for failing to allow UN inspectors to search for WMD's.

Threatened force by group against people with intention of coercing government, for political reasons.

jmm
 
My immediate take after reading the first few sentences... first, police departments don't randomly pick people, call them "gang members" and spend time, effort, and money on getting injunctions against them. Second, every criminal plays the "Who, me? I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm a good kid! Wasn't me!" card.
 
OMG, I am a gang member!!!

I used to wear blue slacks with a fat old red stripe down the side. I regularly go to the bad parts of San Diego, for charitable work. I am pretty sure that we have publicity photos of me with gang members from the past present and future.

Oh good, I just realized I can't be a gang-member. I am white. :barf:

The right of the people to peaceably assemble shall not be infringed (unless it seems like a good idea).
 
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