Thompson Black Diamond Express

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I'm considering my first black powder rifle and a local pawn shop has one priced at $250.

I shop this store regularly and I imagine getting them to $200 would be easy for me.

I'm rather clueless on black powder and could find little info on this model online. I'm also unfamiliar with the whole "inline" configuration.

From what I can tell, the weapon is in good condition. Please help with the following questions. By the way, it's a .50 cal, black synthetic and blued.

What are the pros and cons of the inline setup?

Anyone fired this model? How did you like it?

What should the potential buyer look for?

What would be a fair price? I know there are variables, condition, etc.

Thanks.
-Jay
 
The Black Diamond came with one of two barrels, 22.5" or 26" long; the 26" barrel was called the XR model. That's probably the Express you're looking at. There are also three different ignition system options: standard No. 11 percussion cap, musket percussion cap and 209 shotshell primer.

The Fifth Edition (2007) of the Blue Book of Modern Black Powder Arms gives the value of a 100% condition Black Diamond XR as $300; in 80% condition it's $115.

You can find a manual and marketing information on the Thompson Center web site; just search for Black Diamond.

Compared with sidelock (flint or percussion) rifles, inline black powder rifles have the advantage of a 'closed' ignition system, in that once the bolt is closed the cap or primer is protected from the elements while still in a ready state for firing. Most of them are also 'rated' by the manufacturer for very heavy powder loads, on the order of 150 grains (whether this is actually an advantage is debatable, however), as opposed to 100 or 120 grains for sidelock guns.

With respect to cartridge rifles, inlines have the advantage in some states of being usable during the special 'muzzleloader' or primitive deer hunting seasons. This is not true in all locations, however, so check with your local authorities about whether your particular weapon is legal for that season. Finally, the addition of a scope is generally easier if desired; some come with scope mounting provisions already incorporated (I don't believe this is true with the Black Diamond from the factory, but they may have been added later).

There are two significant disadvantages, in my opinion. One is the bolt is a mechanical device with close tolerances and thus subject to problems with fouling, and black powder shooting is famous for cap and powder byproduct fouling. While not necessarily prone to fouling, it is a good idea to pay special attention to keeping the bolt assembly clean.

Second, and more important to many people, an inline rifle is not considered an 'authentic' weapon. Guns with percussion ignition systems are throwbacks to an historical time that many feel was a better lifestyle than we have today. Inline guns are a modern application many believe were invented just to get around the restrictions of the special muzzleloading hunting seasons and extend their hunting opportunities. They believe the 'primitive' season regulations should be more literally interpreted to prohibit the use of inline rifles, and many states have modified their regulations to make that so. So, the inline rifle has not gained social acceptance in many areas.

With respect to what to look for, condition is more important for a black powder gun than a smokeless powder gun simply because the combustion byproducts of black powder are highly corrosive. Debilitating damage due to corrosion is more common and easier to experience in black powder. So, the most important thing is to thoroughly and carefully inspect the barrel bore with a bore light for rust and pitting prior to purchasing the gun. If it's dirty, walk away. It may or may not be in pristine shape under the dirt, but if you can't see it, you must assume there are rust pits. Also, remove the barrel and inspect the action parts for rust and especially dirt/crud. While there is less likely to be corrosion damage, the cleanliness of the action is an indication of how well the gun was treated. Again, lots of dirt, hit the road.

You indicated you are new to black powder. The Black Diamond is a good starting point. It will require you to learn the art of black powder shooting - each and every load is built from the ground up, and each and every gun needs to be tested to find the load it 'likes' best. Inline guns tend to be more forgiving of minor variations in loading technique than the general body if sidelocks, but they still exhibit the black powder characteristic of having a 'sweet spot' combination of powder, projectile, lube and loading technique that is better than any other. Finding that combination is really the fun part of black powder shooting.

There are several tutorials and books available to guide you through that. I suggest reading through the offerings in the Black Powder Essentials thread at the top of this forum.
 
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inline ignition system

The term "inline" refers to the ignition, charge, and projectile/bore being oriented in a straight line as opposed to a "side lock" where the this line takes a couple of 90 degree turns. Some examples of the inline system can be found in some of the original mid 19th century designs such as the Root Revolving Rifle, all of Sam Colts Revolving pistol, Remingtons Revolving Pistols, ect. ect..... In spite of it's historical lineage, many in the black powder shooting community do indeed look down upon modern guns that incorporate this type of technology. These Hippocrates are often referred to as " elitists ", see Dr. Seuss' book The Sneetches.

The modern inline that we know today have evolved from the early striker bolt type where the bolt is a solid piece with no moving parts. The striker bolt is drawn rearward and held there until the trigger is released thus allowing it to move forward and strike the perc. cap, musket cap, or primer. This is an "open ignition" system being that it is exposed to the elements until it is fired. The T/C Black Diamond falls into this category. This system was followed by a true bolt action design that incorporates a separate firing pin in the bolt. Because the bolt is closed prior to firing thus protecting the ignition from the elements it is referred to as a "closed ignition" system. This system has been followed by rolling block, break action , and falling block type designs.

The real advantages of the inline as I see it are:

1) easy scope mounting which allows for more precise shot placement at medium ranges. This is not helpful for long range shooting as scopes don't offer the range of elevation adjustment needed to " lob " the bullet at extended ranges.

2) the removable breech plug allows for thorough cleaning and inspection as well as removal of unfired loads.

3) by far the most significant advantage of the inline is the fast twist rate of rifling that allows for stabilization of long conical bullets. This is is not limited to modern inline rifles, a few examples of fast twist rifles from the days of old are the Whitworth and the Gibbs rifle among others. Unfortunately, the price of these reproduction rifles puts them out of the reach of most black powder shooters.

I personally do not own a Black Diamond but I know people that do and the have only good things to say.
 
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Well, pawn shop man rolled over pretty easily and dropped to $130 out the door.

The bore looks quite nice and it even has those bright fiber optic sights, orange up front and yellow in back. Has what looks like an aluminum ramrod/cleaning rod threaded on both ends and my memory failed me on the first post, as it has a Realtree camo stock and not black.

Besides a little light wear on the barrel bluing right behind the front sight, it seems perfect. I imagine the wear, about a 4" area of discoloration, is where the user grabs the barrel in the loading process.

Thanks for all the input. I'll probably grab this one.

-Jay
 
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