Beats me. I have no plans on shooting paintballers. Then again, I also have no plans on being shot at. Seeing as how my datebook doesn't show that I'm going to be shot with paintballs on such and such date, I don't really know how I will react. Will I be able to determine its a paintball? Hell if I know. Will I react in some way? I hope so. But if on such and such day, my scheduled paintball shooting happens and I see a barrel of an unknown gun coming out of an unknown car being held by an unknown person and it is my honest assessment that my life is in danger, then I expect that if I cannot escape the situation that I do draw and fire. If that gun turns out to be a paintball gun, I sincerely hope I miss. If that gun turns out to be a .17 or larger, I hope my aim is true and quick. But if I can't figure out what it is prior to needing to react, upon which side do I err? Caution for them or caution for me? I'm not trying to shoot anyone ever. But more importantly, I'm not trying to get shot either.
Those stupid kid paintballers we've all seen
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Off the paintball field and when looking down the muzzle, in my book, a .68" paintball barrel is too close to a ~.750" 12ga barrel to warrent spending more than a nanosecond contemplating it. I'd worry about the distinction after the smoke clears.
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rebbryan
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cops have shot people who pointed their paintball guns at them during traffic stops, the same applies to you if you're afraid for your life or great bodily injury
stealthgoat
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I wanted to post about two articles in local so cal "Easy Reader" paper tonight, two different perspectives:
First on page 10 "Fatal Gunfire Sounds Like Toy Gun" . A drive-buy on Pacific Coast Highway in Hermosa Beach resulted in the death of a 25 yr old male sitting at a stop light in his BMW. The witnesss comments "I heard four shots - bang bang bang bang. I thought it was a toy gun, it didn't sound like a real gun. Then I saw his head he had been shot".
Second article is page 16 "Airsoft Abuse's Hard Lesson" , a Manhattan Beach Officer confronted a suspect on a school yard roof at night. He fired at her twice. She heard the pops that sounded like a BB gun to her and did not return fire with her P-226. His goggles fogged and he did not see she was LEO, thought she was another friend he was gaming with. All four kids playing with airsofts were charged but I think lucky to be alive!
My concern is that if it had gone the other way , she might have been shot instead while she hesitated....
First on page 10 "Fatal Gunfire Sounds Like Toy Gun" . A drive-buy on Pacific Coast Highway in Hermosa Beach resulted in the death of a 25 yr old male sitting at a stop light in his BMW. The witnesss comments "I heard four shots - bang bang bang bang. I thought it was a toy gun, it didn't sound like a real gun. Then I saw his head he had been shot".
Second article is page 16 "Airsoft Abuse's Hard Lesson" , a Manhattan Beach Officer confronted a suspect on a school yard roof at night. He fired at her twice. She heard the pops that sounded like a BB gun to her and did not return fire with her P-226. His goggles fogged and he did not see she was LEO, thought she was another friend he was gaming with. All four kids playing with airsofts were charged but I think lucky to be alive!
My concern is that if it had gone the other way , she might have been shot instead while she hesitated....
Double Naught Spy
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I would most hardily have to disagree with Devonai that use of force against a paintball attack is not warranted. Use of DEADLY FORCE may not be warranted, but the paintball attack on you is a use of force against you and you should have the right to stop that use of force against you. Plus, you can be totally justified in being in fear of serious injury to justify he use of force.
Paintballs are projectiles traveling at some pretty substantial velocities. And so you know it is a friggin' paintball gun, who says they are shooting paintballs and not harder objects like marbles?
Use of force is justified.
Paintballs are projectiles traveling at some pretty substantial velocities. And so you know it is a friggin' paintball gun, who says they are shooting paintballs and not harder objects like marbles?
Use of force is justified.
Tamara
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Here's a hot survival tip:
Do not point vaguely gun-shaped objects at strangers who might not get the joke.
Here endeth the lesson.
Do not point vaguely gun-shaped objects at strangers who might not get the joke.
Here endeth the lesson.
Devonai
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Okay, I guess that's the last time I'll assume those involved in discussions ever agree on a single point.
Let's look at this situation by flow:
1. You see a car slow down and a barrel stick out of the window. Is it a firearm or a paintball gun? If it's a firearm, go to step 5. If it's a paintball gun, go to step 2.
2. The occupant begins to fire at you. You are hit. If you have been hit in the eye, go to step 5. If you have been hit elsewhere, go to step 3.
3. You have been hit. It hurts like hell. If you have reason to believe that the paintballs have been frozen, or are in fact marbles, go to step 5. If you believe that they're normal paintballs, go to step 4.
4. Duck, protect your face, and move away.
5. Present your weapon and fire if necessary.
In my mind this is the best way to proceed in such a situation, and gives you the best chance of avoiding prosecution. Anybody disagree with this flow of action?
Let's look at this situation by flow:
1. You see a car slow down and a barrel stick out of the window. Is it a firearm or a paintball gun? If it's a firearm, go to step 5. If it's a paintball gun, go to step 2.
2. The occupant begins to fire at you. You are hit. If you have been hit in the eye, go to step 5. If you have been hit elsewhere, go to step 3.
3. You have been hit. It hurts like hell. If you have reason to believe that the paintballs have been frozen, or are in fact marbles, go to step 5. If you believe that they're normal paintballs, go to step 4.
4. Duck, protect your face, and move away.
5. Present your weapon and fire if necessary.
In my mind this is the best way to proceed in such a situation, and gives you the best chance of avoiding prosecution. Anybody disagree with this flow of action?
BigJake_old
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yup, and heres why
Step 6- After ducking for cover, atempt to get liecence plate #'s
Step 7- If you feel the need, call the police, if not, get on with life IMHO.
Step 8- if you took step 7 and the perps get caught, press all charges posible, the only people that do this garbage are not only stupid, reckless and malicious, they also have no regard for the sport of paintball which is threatened by their actions.
Step 6- After ducking for cover, atempt to get liecence plate #'s
Step 7- If you feel the need, call the police, if not, get on with life IMHO.
Step 8- if you took step 7 and the perps get caught, press all charges posible, the only people that do this garbage are not only stupid, reckless and malicious, they also have no regard for the sport of paintball which is threatened by their actions.
Devonai
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Your input does not constitute a disagreement, only an addendum to which I entirely agree. I would file a report and take a day off to go to court, if it came down to that.
Drive by paint-ballers
Not exactly sure what I would do. If I am really as aware of my surroundings as like to think that I am, then surely I will notice a car pulling up behind me. Given that tiny habitual caution/paranoia that comes from living in a big crime-infested city, I would hope that I turn in time to catch the muzzle pointing at me. At that point, all bets all off.
How would I react if I sat on a jury in a case in which a pedestrian attacked by a paintballer returned fire and was subsequently charged? I can tell you right now that the defendant would walk.
Not exactly sure what I would do. If I am really as aware of my surroundings as like to think that I am, then surely I will notice a car pulling up behind me. Given that tiny habitual caution/paranoia that comes from living in a big crime-infested city, I would hope that I turn in time to catch the muzzle pointing at me. At that point, all bets all off.
How would I react if I sat on a jury in a case in which a pedestrian attacked by a paintballer returned fire and was subsequently charged? I can tell you right now that the defendant would walk.
rebbryan
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Step 7- If you feel the need, call the police, if not, get on with life IMHO.
there was an article on somethin like this in handgunner, you show your gun and you don't call the police and whoever you pointed it at calls the police and tells em there's a guy wavin a gun around and they pull YOU over. i'd call em and tell em what happened
there was an article on somethin like this in handgunner, you show your gun and you don't call the police and whoever you pointed it at calls the police and tells em there's a guy wavin a gun around and they pull YOU over. i'd call em and tell em what happened
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