Those who served in vietnam, I have a question

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Do keep in mind that a lot of draft dodgers, second tour dodgers, etc ended up in Canada, and a good portion made permanent homes there. So it is very probable that he went AWOL and just took his gear with him.

If he was a part of that crowd, he may not have wanted to tell that story, and I also doubt he would have cared about the firearms infractions since he was already breaking the law going AWOL and never returning.

Canada also allowed fully automatic weapons until 1977. They had to be registered though like handguns since 1951. However since they were still widely and general legal it would not have yet been that out of place.
In fact they were more the norm in Canada than in America in those years. Only handguns were seen in a bad light.

Canada's strict gun laws didn't start until the 1990's. Do to widespread registration it was feasible for canada to successfuly implement severe restrictions.

The 90's were when the UK, Australia, and Canada all started thier restrictive firearms practices. The US itself had the AWB, and was joining the ranks of these "enlightened" liberal nations while the Democrats held power. I imagine if Gore had become president instead of Bush and had enough of congress or the senate we would be pretty close to at least Canada if not the UK or Australia in our own gun laws.
 
Interesting.

When we upped sticks and left South Vietnam in 1975, somewhere between 700,000 and 800,000 M-16s were abandoned in country. In subsequent decades those rifles have showed up in trouble spots all over the world.

And all this uproar over just one, of uncertain condition and origin...

lpl/nc
 
I was happy just to bring back both legs, both arms and my head home. The Army kept everything else! No way you could bring back a full auto M-16, not legally anyway!
 
Indulging in a little fantasy, there is just one little part of the Swiss system I'd like to see adopted: "Here ya go, soldier, take this home and keep it safe. Make sure you keep in practice with it. You're part of the country's militia now. Take what you've learned and pass it on. Thanks for everything you've done. Carry on."

Hey, I can dream, right?
If you take US v Miller 1939 literally, that is exactly
what should happen.
 
So those models will have the selector positions identified as SAFE, SEMI, and BURST.
Heh....

If they catch you with it, you will find out what it actually says is SAFE, SEMI, and BUST.

:)
 
I met several Canadians who joined the U.S. Army so they could go to Vietnam both in the states and in Vietnam.
As an interesting tidbit, I read somewhere recently that there were more Canadians serving in the US Forces during Vietnam than there were US draft dodgers in Canada.

There's only one way that I know of to purchase a US service rifle - through the CMP. Of course, they're pretty much out of Garands at this time, and I doubt we'll ever see them selling '16's.
 
I read somewhere recently that there were more Canadians serving in the US Forces during Vietnam than there were US draft dodgers in Canada.

Plus the Canadian C96 registration law has been met with massive civil disobedience including rallies where they publicly burn registration forms. But the news media consider neither the Canadians who served in Viet Nam nor the Canadian gun registration protesters newsworthy.
 
... circa '66-68 here:

M-16's...? The short answer to your question is NO as others have stated. There was a time when de-milled SKS's ( and on rare occasions AK's) were allowed but that was squashed in the later 60's. They really clamped down hard and for a time even poncho liners were "verboten" to ship to CONUS..(something about drugs being secreted in the quilted areas...:scrutiny:) Any "issue" weapon brought/sent back was definitely not done in compliance with any existing Reg's that I am aware of...!

Ron
 
If you had the clearance, you could do anything and bring back just about anything.

Best part about that is when a high ranking officer tried to question you, you could tell him that he didn't have a high enough clearance to know what you were doing and if he had any questions to call so and so which would mostly shut them up.

Cause if they did call, they'd get an arse chewing and a not need to know lecture.
 
Brentn,

The fastest way you can find out if this was a military-issue is by checking the safety/fire selector.

M16s have a 3-position fire control selector; "safe", "fire", "auto"; while

AR15/civilian models only have a 2-position fire control: "safe" and "fire"

Really simple check to verify the rifle is what it's supposed to be. Have your friend look and send you a picture if it really has the 3rd "auto" setting.
 
Cause if they did call, they'd get an arse chewing and a not need to know lecture.


If you tried to BS them you might get a few years at Leavenworth or Portsmouth.
 
Heh, yeah, I have a hard time imagining a high ranking officer just taking a soldier's word for it--if anything, in the military you don't hesitate clearing something with your superior. Now, if someone above your pay grade tells you to shut it, its "Yes Sir", but otherwise...
 
In the 50's , 60's and 70's we'd go back and forth between B.C. and Washington State on a regular basis. My family lived on both sides of the border and never really gave it much thought. I'd go across with a shotgun or a rifle behind the seat of the truck and never paid it any mind as it was there for when I went hunting. No big deal in those days as most of the time I'd slow down and wave as I went through the customs. We never considered it two countries in those days.

Today is a different story, a product of too many Liberals do'in the decid'in for too many years. That's why in Western Canada there's a lot of us not too happy.

The M-16 could have just went across in the trunk of their car or disassembled and stored in a suitcase without anybody paying much attention. Yes, full auto are a prohibited firearm, but can be legally owned. Semi-auto long guns are not prohibited or restricted. To possess firearms in Canada one requires a firearms licence, a PAL. Possession and Acquistion Licence. We can stick our firearms in the mail and send them to another licenced firearm owner without having to go through the FFL routine. I received a shotgun in the mail a month ago, the Canada Post Lady rang my doorbell and said she had a parcel for me. It was a real nice M12, 20 ga. As long as it's properly packaged and not advertised as a firearm and sent between licenced people it can be sent by regular Canada Post. It's the long Gun Registry that we're trying to get rid of.

There was a lot of stuff brought home after WWII and Korea and it's still around but no one talks too much about it, as the walls have big ears, and the less said the better. Your friend is best to find a place for it and leave it at that until better days return.

Regards:
Rod
 
The funny thing is, for as strict as Canadian politicians are about laws, the citizenry is rather blaze', it's rather amusing. Incidentally, he isn't a member of Possum Lodge, is he? :D
 
Feed the hogs,

Your post is fantasy at best, drivel at worst.

US CUSTOMS decided which items would be admitted and which items would get you arrested, not a 'high ranking officer'.

On the other hand, ANY officer has/had the legal authority(duty to enforce ARs, General orders, etc) to impound sensitive items for safekeeping and detain(lock in a cell) the GI carrying it until proper authority could clear up the matter in the event there was a descrepancy. You might also do well to remember that any member carrying any such material would be traveling on orders specifically enumerating the items and citing the appropriate regulation authorizing such shipment. Such orders were written on about a 6th grade level so any MP or other government employee could understand them.

Internet= BS at the speed of light
 
jaysouth,
Your reasoning is for the 98% of the individuals reguardless of rank that serve.
There is a 2% that travel with clearance high enough that the normal chain of command and regulations do not apply. Who have the ability to travel back and forth between countries without "customs" getting in the way.

Souveniers, trinkets that otherwise would not be allowed, do make it through this open corridor.

I myself was never part of this group, but do know someone who was and have seen what was otherwise considered "contraband", making some nice displays in their basement.

I take no offense at your comment as the world is full of experts.
 
If you had the clearance, you could do anything and bring back just about anything.

Best part about that is when a high ranking officer tried to question you, you could tell him that he didn't have a high enough clearance to know what you were doing and if he had any questions to call so and so which would mostly shut them up.

Cause if they did call, they'd get an arse chewing and a not need to know lecture.

First off, high ranking officers are not involved directly with low ranking soldiers. Thats what corporals are for. Someone with a high enough clearance is not going to take a chance on losing it by trying to use it to sneak stuff into the country illegally. Privates generally do not get very high clearances anyway, and furthermore, soldiers travel on orders that are pretty explicit on every aspect of their travel.

That doen't mean that someone hasn't figured a way to beat the system now and then.
 
Security clearances have nothing to do with what you can bring back from a war zone. If something is coming back because the military wants it for some reason, they ship it not give it to someone with a "high enough clearance".

There is a guy I met who told me his Army unit was so secret he didn't even get a DD214 and can't get veteran's benefits. There are plenty of people with stories.
 
I wasn't in VietNam but my dad was. I asked him once about bring backs and he said it was easy to bring anything back you wanted and a lot of guys did, but he doesn't remember hearing or seeing anyone buy a M16 from the military. I think that part is BS, but if he has a real m16, full auto, like someone said, if he has legal paper work on it it is worht about $15,000.00, if he has no peper work it is worht about $5000.00....on the black market! And worht about 20 years in prison if you live in N America!
 
i bought a rifle in the navy exchange, i believe, in atsugi, japan. i also had and carried a s&w mod. 28-2, 4" barrel. neither of these were military issue, both were personal weapons. another in our group purchased, at the same exchange a ruger 44 mag. carbine. there was a procedure (a little hazy now) whereby you filled out some batf forms, sent them to batf in d.c. and assuming you had all your infromation, the batf would send you their certification allowing the guns into the u.s. as i recall, "property of a returning serviceman." a couple weeks before i left, packaged both up, put the batf certifications on them, went to the base post office and mailed them home. they both got there before i did. neither package was opened; both had san francisco and kansas city customs stamps on them.
i still have the 28 and it shoots as good now as then. i still have the rifle also. mcole
 
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