Tipping. What's your method and gear?

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gun'sRgood

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The guy who made my new barrel was chatting about tipping. Just when I thought I was ready to go with my custom match round, I find there's another step in the process. Listening to guys on the 1K range I heard stuff regarding tipping that just didn't make sense. One guy was saying he just ran the tip over some 400 grit sandpaper. Another used a tool similar to a case trimmer and into a tipping die. Any thoughts here would be great to here from this greenhorn.
 
The furthest I ever shoot is 500 YDS and as long as the bullet tips are not mangled the rifle can shoot better than I can. I have followed some of the posts myself and while some of the posters absoutly believe it helps I would be skeptical until I shot some good amount of standard ammo for refrence, then tried things to see if the vodo helped me in an apreciable way. Don't fall down that rabbit hole until there is a base line you can compare against or you might be chasing your tail for not.
 
Article in a gun magazine a few years ago showed no difference in accuracy with mixed brass. Also no difference in accuracy with damaged bullet tips.
 
Pointing is for bullets used at 1000+ or elr. They have pointing dies and trimming dies and guages, a big pile of money. If your not regularly loosing to people doing it I'd say there is no need. That little something can actually be done just by trimming. It's my position that the most uniform bc will always be more important than the highest bc.
 
I think they are referring to a device like the Tubb BMU ... Ballistic Meplat Uniformer. It doesn't make them more pointy ... just more uniform across a set of bullets. Here's one on Midway.

Not really a better BC, rather a more uniform or consistent BC.
 
Rimfire McNutjob said:
I think they are referring to a device like the Tubb BMU ... Ballistic Meplat Uniformer. It doesn't make them more pointy ... just more uniform across a set of bullets. Here's one on Midway.

Not really a better BC, rather a more uniform or consistent BC.
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That appears to be the trimmer I was referencing.... the rabbit hole goes deep, here and I stepped of that elevator...
 
I have an older friend who several times a week walks in the forest, and picks up brass. I accused him of being a "greenie", but he tells me what he sells brass to the recycle place for! A while back he brought me a couple of buckets of bullets, (mostly jacketed) , and wondered if I couldn't melt them and use them. After going through them, there were probably 25% that were only slightly nose damaged, so I cleaned them, resized and loaded. The next shoot, I told everybody I was "recycling", after all they were "once fired"!
9mm, and 45acp at USPSA distances shoot just fine!
 
FROGO207 said:
The furthest I ever shoot is 500 YDS and as long as the bullet tips are not mangled the rifle can shoot better than I can. I have followed some of the posts myself and while some of the posters absoutly believe it helps I would be skeptical until I shot some good amount of standard ammo for refrence, then tried things to see if the vodo helped me in an apreciable way. Don't fall down that rabbit hole until there is a base line you can compare against or you might be chasing your tail for not.
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The only bullet that was referenced was Berger. Not sure where up is from there?
 
I have the Whidden meplat trimmer and their bullet pointing kit. I got sold on a bad idea a long time ago. It sits in a box, and goes unused.

Buy better bullets.

There exists real science which describes the influence of point uniforming on BC consistency. There also exists the distinct reality that even among the exceptional few, there are an exceptional few shooters who could benefit from the process. Buy better bullets.

For the folks pushing the envelope where demand for consistent BC is extremely critical (like the guys shooting 4344 yards in competition yesterday), pointing bullets is NOT done. We buy better bullets… I MIGHT consider trimming and pointing if I were to join @JFrank shooting 600/1000yrd BR AND only after my skill improved (from a relatively high baseline) to the point that I could truly outshoot my Bergers, but after nearly 30yrs of 1,000yrd shooting, I’m not certain I believe I could ever outshoot Bergers, in the form they come straight out of the yellow box.
 
This is a subject that I know very little about however to share my understanding, guys that tip bullets start by sorting bullets by overall length into very small groups followed by trimming, once trimmed and compared the meplats of each group will be different diameters it’s therefor important to tip those individual sorts to maintain consistency. How much one changes the tips is judged as better or worse on the long range target.
 
If the service is good and my waitress nice to me , I tip 15 % of the bill ...
If she's real nice to me and takes good care of my needs ... I like to tip 20% ...
A smile is worth tipping an extra 5% !
Why do you-all keep posting photo's of bullets ... this is a thread on tipping ... right !
I must be missing something :) !
Gary
The Devil Made Me Do It
 
I think 20 years ago it was more of a thing ... where bullets would leave the manufacturer with a less than uniform tip. Today, I think controls are better at the premium bullet makers. Plus, some are inserting very uniform plastic tips as well which would also eliminate the need.
 
Varminterror said:
I have the Whidden meplat trimmer and their bullet pointing kit. I got sold on a bad idea a long time ago. It sits in a box, and goes unused.

Buy better bullets.

There exists real science which describes the influence of point uniforming on BC consistency. There also exists the distinct reality that even among the exceptional few, there are an exceptional few shooters who could benefit from the process. Buy better bullets.

For the folks pushing the envelope where demand for consistent BC is extremely critical (like the guys shooting 4344 yards in competition yesterday), pointing bullets is NOT done. We buy better bullets… I MIGHT consider trimming and pointing if I were to join @JFrank shooting 600/1000yrd BR AND only after my skill improved (from a relatively high baseline) to the point that I could truly outshoot my Bergers, but after nearly 30yrs of 1,000yrd shooting, I’m not certain I believe I could ever outshoot Bergers, in the form they come straight out of the yellow box.
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I was hoping and looking forward to your wise and hallowed words. I bought into yellow box 40gr Bergers for my 6.5cm. What other. What other choices would you choose? And, if ya got a moment, would you share one or two recipes? which primer, small, large, grade? Brass, who's? Powder? And salient to the thread, bullet? Thanks V. Always glad you're here.
 
Rimfire McNutjob said:
some are inserting very uniform plastic tips as well which would also eliminate the need.
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You'd sure think so, but the doppler radar tests by Applied Ballistics don't really seem to support that poly or aluminum tipped bullets end up with more consistent BC's than do the open tipped BTHP's. Granted, we're kinda comparing apples and oranges when we talk about different bullets from different manufacturers - I can't say I've ever seen the data sheets for the Hornady 105 BTHP to compare against the 108 or 109 ELD, or the 110 A-Tip, nor have I seen sheets for the SMK vs. the Tipped SMK to compare.

But it's certainly fair to acknowledge, poly or aluminum tipped bullets eliminate the opportunity to trim and point.
 
gun'sRgood said:
I bought into yellow box 40gr Bergers for my 6.5cm. What other. What other choices would you choose? And, if ya got a moment, would you share one or two recipes? which primer, small, large, grade? Brass, who's? Powder? And salient to the thread, bullet?
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Pretty hard to cast aspersions at Berger Hybrid Targets for anything up to 1000yrd benchrest. A guy better be shooting reliably in the 1's and 2's and NEED to be shooting in the 0's before they can truly convince me a Berger HT can't do the job for them.

I don't shoot 6.5 creed anymore, but when I did, I shot 140 Hybrids over H4350, tuning around the 41.5grn mark, depending upon brass. I've helped a lot of new PRS shooters (and often new reloaders) get their loads working, and they've tended to tune about the same. I used Hornady and Lapua brass, but I'd trust Alpha and Peterson just as well, and Starline will do what most guys need on the cheap. I used BR2's and BR4's - but I did also test 200's and 450's and WLR's, and I can't shoot the difference for 10 shot groups. For 6 creed, I shot originally with Lapua 6.5 creed brass I necked down, but then adopted Hornady brass - I picked up Peterson brass last year and have been very happy with it so far also. I shoot H4350 under 105 and 109 Berger Hybrid Targets, I've loaded 110 A-Tips, 108 and 109 ELD's, and 107 and 110 SMK's - I wait and pay for 105 and 109 Hybrids. Same deal - BR2's and BR4's, but I can tune just fine with 200's and 450's, and with WLR's. No Rem 7 1/2's. RL15 and RL16 can do the job here too, but I like keeping life simple - H4350. I'm 11 barrels deep into 6 creed, among 4 different firearms, 3 different lengths, 15, 24, and 26", AR & stick shift, 5 different reamers... They've all tuned to a nice mid-road node within 0.2grn of 41.7. For my Dasher, I'm pumping 30.5 Varget under 105 Hybrids in Lapua brass, hydroformed now, used to fireform, over BR4's, and 109's over the same charge in Alpha brass, same primers. For 6 Grendel/243 LBC in a gasser, I'm loading 26.8grn 8208 under 105's in necked Hornady 6.5 Grendel brass using CCI 450's.
 
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