Sistema1927
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I think that the holster is the worst part of that get up. Even if they do it in patent leather it should be a holster that covers the entire barrel, and possibly a flap design.
Uh, you mean Beretta USA made in Accokeek MD M9s?You mean like when they were carrying the M9?
Uh, you mean Beretta USA made in Accokeek MD M9s?
Folks still wrapped around the axle about companies that are now incorporated in the US for years, paying taxes to the US government, hiring all US citizens, contributing to the local and national economy? And really, trying to tie in SIG-Sauer to the Nazi regime that killed Americans back in WW II?
Yeah, again, the holster ... it's heinous.
Yea, they make a nice looking pistol look weird. And why would they be needing extra capacity. Meh, still think the idea is cool, kudos for trying.Honestly I think the extended magazine more than anything is what throws me off.
.455Hunter said:Ugly yes, but my concern is that they are truely functional and reliable for low level production weapons. These guys have a higher chance of actually needing to shoot than many other armed personnel.
Guards at other locations are far more likely to need live ammo than a Sentinel at the Tomb of the Unknowns, as there are other guards and the Capital Police are available for quick backup if needed.
Foreign company, not country.
You mean like when they were carrying the M9?
.455_Hunter said:I completely disagree with your threat assessment. Having the Capitol Police police or the post security office on speed dial doesn't help when the wack job or terrorist is shooting people right now, and the Tomb and it's visitors are a good symbolic target.
Sistema1927 said:I think that the holster is the worst part of that get up. Even if they do it in patent leather it should be a holster that covers the entire barrel, and possibly a flap design.
Dear Confused, SIG is a Swiss company, Sauer is German. SIG bought Sauer, has an American presence, but is foreign owned. Just like Chrysler is foreign owned. Same for Beretta.I know you said foreign company. That's why I was wondering if you think New Hampshire is a foreign country. See in order to be a foreign company, they have to be from a foreign country. New Hampshire clearly isn't a foreign country... so, I'm confused.
The M17 is manufactured by SIG Sauer inc. of Newington, New Hampshire, an American company.
While the Tomb is certainly a "symbolic target" there are many other targets in the DC area that are equally symbolic and not guarded at all. I would expect wack jobs or terrorists to go after a target that offered the largest NUMBER of potential human victims, and that seems to be their general practice around the world.
If you're interested, here's a link to a Wikipedia summary of wack job/terrorist plots and attacks since 2001, and "symbolic" attacks were hot nearly as common as attacks designed to take a lot of lives. Luckily, a lot of them never got beyond the planning stage: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsuccessful_terrorist_plots_in_the_United_States_post-9/11
Despite the fact that they have a manufacturing facility in the US, they are still foreign owned.
Just like Ford’s produced in another country, the profit eventually still goes to Ford in the US.
Ok, I'm confused as to why third herd need BBQ pistols in low-retention high-gloss holsters when they managed with what they had for decades.
Third Herd polishes everything it does not chrome. Just is the way they are.
This is from 2015:
note no magazine in the M-14
And everything is privately owned by two.....Germans.No, you don't get to move the goal posts like that. You originally said "foreign company". Now you are saying foreign owned. There's a difference there.
SIG Sauer, Inc. is incorporated in the US. That makes them US a company.
Well, no, it's nothing like that at all, because again, SIG Sauer, Inc. is a different company than SIG Sauer GmbH. Both of those companies, along with Swiss Arms, are owned by L&O Holding. It's not nearly as simple a case as a German company having a factory in the US.
Double Naught Spy said:Hmmm, that is a list of unsuccessful terrorist plots. Since we are using Wiki, let's look at all the successful ones. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States
Double Naught Spy said:Terror attacks take on many forms and are done for many reasons in many places, not all of which are with the goal in mind of maximizing casualties.
While you may attach symbolic significance to a place or a monument doesn't mean that others, including our enemies, will or do the same. Almost by definition -- it was a term first used during the French Revolution -- an attack that doesn't kill or wound people is not really a terror attack. Our fear of death is what makes the attacks terrible, not our fear of hallowed symbols being destroyed.
Haven't been around the military or on base much in the past 17 years, eh?our military has a terrible history of not allowing stateside militaryguards to carry loaded guns, and in many cases, not allowing them even to have the ammo, even after 9/11.
Double Naught Spy said:LOL, aren't you the one who listed faliled terror attacks as terror attacks. Those weren't even terror attacks at all, not because people weren't hurt or killed (nothing in the definition says such traits are prerequisites, anyway), but because they didn't happen. Now you are just backpeddling and contradicting yourself.