Tommy gun in WWII

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I'm watching band of brothers and I was wondering if anyone knew how often the tommy gun was used. was it just an infantry weapon? or was it used like the M1 carbine?
Did soilders have a preference or could they switch out? I tried looking it up but all I saw was 12 men to a squad(usually) sometimes a DM witha a 1903 and a BAR did everyone else have a garand?
 
Well, according to Wikipedia....

The Thompson found particular utility in World War II in the hands of Allied troops as a weapon for scouts, non-commissioned officers, and patrol leaders. In the European theater, the gun was widely utilized in British and Canadian Commando units, as well as U.S. paratroop and Ranger battalions. A Swedish variant of the M1928A1, called Kulsprutepistol m/40 ("Submachine Gun m/40" [Directly translated "Bullet spray pistol"]), served in the Swedish Army between 1940 and 1951. Through Lend-Lease, the Soviet Union also used the Thompson, but this practice was not widespread.[14]

Here's the link to the full article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_gun
 
k-frame thanks I had already seen that. I'm curious if they gave Plt leaders a thompson or they could chose. or if the standard squad/platoon had one. It seems to me they would be useful in house to house fighting
 
One reason why the Thompson and other submachine guns were popular with airborne forces derives from the missons assigned to those troops. If troops needed to be deployed behind enemy lines, then giving those forces as much firepower as possible seemed prudent. This explains why paratroopers and other special assault forces liked submachine guns.

In addition, let us not forget that more M1 Carbines were produced than Garands during World War 2. The carbines were lighter than the Garands and carried larger amounts of ammo also. This was a plus in a firefight. I hope this information is of some value.


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My grandfather carried a Thompson SMG in WWII. He was a .30 cal machine gunner serving with the 42nd Division out of Oshkosh, WI. During WWI, he carried the 1903 Springfield.
 
Thompsons were usually issued to officers, but anyone who could scrounge one up could uses one. There were never really enough of them made, and the early ones were expensive to make ($200 apiece for the 1928 version). The M1 and M1A1 versions were cheaper, but it was still an expensive and heavy gun, so it was phased out in favor of the "grease gun" which, while reliable and practical -- and cheap -- was not so well liked.
Thompsons were close in guns, very good in street to street fighting and other types of close contact situations, but not accurate or far-shooting enough for longer range work.
The M-1 Carbine was originally intended as a replacement for handguns since it was easier to train soldiers with, and really for what's considered "rear echelon."
That being said, it did find its way to the lines and was liked for its lightness by many, and criticized by many who treated it like a rifle (like the Garand) because it did not have the punch of the .30-'06.
At the outbreak of the war bolt action rifles would have been the most common infantry arm, but as the garand entered service it very quickly became probably the most common; atleast among all the photos and movies of WW2 most soldiers are carrying Garands.
Although limited to 8 rounds it was pretty easy to reload, and packed a wallop that neither the Thompson could (save for the effect of full auto) or the Carbine. It was effective both close in and at long range.

I think it was usual for there to be one Thompson gunner per squad ... but having said that, it's possible some squad might not have had one, or other might have had two.

If you can locate the book, US Infantry Weapons in Combat: Personal Experiences From World War II and Korea by Mark G. Goodwin Published by Scott A. Duff Publications (2005)
P. O. B. 414
Export PA 15632

you can read some experiences real soldiers had with their weapons, from the Garand, the Thompson, the Carbine, and others. It's pretty interesting.
 
It is normally referred to as the " Thomson" not Tommy gun. As stated it was very effective in house to house fighting in Europe. However many soldiers prefered the Garand because your could reach out and touch someone at much greater range than the Thomson. The carbine was liked because of the firepower and light weight The Thomson was very heavy and had limited range. There was no free lunch. In a combat zone it was easy to change or switch weapons, in the man next to was evacuated or killed who was to say if you took his weapon and ammo. However as soon as you were rotated back to the rear for rest and refit it would probably be taken away from you.
 
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Here is another point to consider about U.S. infantry weapons during World War 2. Logistics. Remember that the Garand, the Thompson and the M1 Carbine chambered different rounds. That posed no small problems for those involved in logistics. This is one of the reasons why the U.S. eventually switched to an intermediate round, often referred to as an assault rifle round. Again, I hope these comments prove useful.


Timthinker
 
My father served in the SeaBee's in the Philippine islands during WWII.

He carried a Thompson at times while serving as an operator/door-gunner on a bulldozer or road-grader.

During the time they were building airstrips in the jungle, Jap snipers & sappers were constantly trying to get too them on the construction equipment.

They built their own armored cabs out of steel taken from damaged landing craft.

His issue weapon was the 03 Springfield, but he preferred the Thompson for use on the earth moving equipment, as long as he didn't have to carry it very far on foot!

He said they & a decent supply of ammo were too damned heavy to pack around all day on foot!

rcmodel
 
It is normally referred to as the " Thomson" not Tommy gun.

Be at ease, Merriam-Webster said that tommy gun is a legit term nowadays:

Main Entry: tommy gun
Function: noun
Etymology: by shortening & alteration
Date: 1929

: thompson submachine gun ; broadly : submachine gun

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_gun

I was surprised to learn that it was still considered official U.S. military issue as late as 1971.
 
thompson

in combat you snach what you can.as to the M1 it was the common gun in europe.the springfield was used by the marines in the pacific as there were not enuf Garands.but by europe they had made enuf to arm every one.and the grease gun was named that as it looked like one but it was probably better than a thompson.that thomson was a heavy mother.I liked the reising better.:rolleyes::uhoh::D
 
It makes sense to issue SMGs to the officers and senior NCOs. Under most combat conditions, they are usually too busy directing their company, platoon, or squad. But when they do need to use their personal weapon, they will probably be needing a LOT of short-range firepower right away.

I can't recall seeing any pictures of a Thompson in the hands of anyone that looked to be deployed in support or non-combat areas.
 
:) " Look Moe, the G-Men are using tommy -guns in this here G-Man comic book":) I'll keep using the term Thomson. :neener:
 
There were still some Colt and S&W Model 1917 .45 ACP revolvers around during WW-II. I'm luckly enough to have a good example of each.

My father was a medic with the 37th Division in the Solomon Islands (Guadalcanal). He was issued a Thompson but gave it a way because it was too heavy. He said he carried extra "medicinal" alcohol instead. That made him a popular medic.
 
^ M1917 Colt.

Had one.

Loved it.

Still kick my own arse for getting rid of it.

S&W came out with a newly-manufactured model of its 1917 recently.
 
Interesting tidbit about soviet use of the tommy gun...
In addition, the Soviet Union received M1928A1s, included as standard equipment with the M3 light tanks obtained through Lend-Lease. The weapons were never issued to the Red Army, however, because of a lack of .45 ACP ammunition on the Eastern Front, and were simply put in storage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_gun

I think if I had the choice of WWII allied infantry weapons, I would take a garand or preferably a BAR.
 
Didn't know Colt made a 45acp revolver back then.

Colt and S&W made their own versions of Model 1917 .45 ACP revolvers during WWI, and they were still in service in WWII, though not front line guns.

My dad was in the Air Corps in WWII, and spent the whole of the war stateside. They were pretty variously armed when on guard duty. He mentioned carrying both 1911 and 1917 .45's, M1 Carbines, and some miscellaneous pump shotguns.
 
mgregg85 said:
Interesting tidbit about soviet use of the tommy gun...
In addition, the Soviet Union received M1928A1s, included as standard equipment with the M3 light tanks obtained through Lend-Lease. The weapons were never issued to the Red Army, however, because of a lack of .45 ACP ammunition on the Eastern Front, and were simply put in storage.

Yes, that's quite true. Some of these were returned to America a few years ago, where (*SOB*) the receivers were destroyed and the rest of the parts were built on dummy receivers and sold as dummy guns.
I got one a couple of years ago and it is now a wall-hangar.
 
My uncle Al was an NCO in charge of a machine gun section in WW2. He carried a Thompson SMG. Believe it or not, one of the NCO's in my company in Vietnam 67'-68", carried one, and another NCO I knew carried a BAR. We called him Kirby after the guy in the TV series "Combat" who also carried the BAR.
 
I can't recall seeing any pictures of a Thompson in the hands of anyone that looked to be deployed in support or non-combat areas.
What about this guy?
churchill_thompson.jpg

:p
 
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