Too many Guns?

[Kleanbore]

Yeah, not sure where you live, but you clearly haven't been paying attention to how prosecutors in certain jurisdictions have been deciding to file charges.

I'm afraid you have missed the point. I think it unlikely for postings to influence a charging decision, unless they relate to the case at thand. The concern about the risk of postings, posters, signs, emails, and dletters it pertains to criminal proceedings, has to do with a prosecutor's use of something that a defendant has wirtten or displayed that be taken as going to state of mind--mens rea---in order to help win the case.

That can only become an issue after the charging decision has been made.

An example or this came up in the Larry Hickey case in Arizona. Hickey was criminally charged after firing his gun, injuring no one, as he was being overpowered by three unarmed attackers, successfully stopping the attack.

As evidence of mens rea, the state introduced a chart, prepared by someone else, that they found in his training folder. We've all heard the phrase: "be polite to everyone, but have a plan to kill them."

Jurors failed to belleve that the evidence failed to proved Hickey to have been guilty beyond any reasonable doubt. Affer two trials and three successful appeals the state dropped the charges--but not until he had spent considerable time behind bars.

That has been brought up as an example of that not to have in one's files in a number of use of force law lectures, and it is mentioned in our THR sticky abut being prudent in what we post.

Now, to be sure, I think it extremely doubtful that a flip statement about being "addicted" to firearms would ever be introduced in criminal court. It would take a lot ore than that.

The reason why it could prove to have been an unwise posting is that it could come up and be damaging in some kind of non-judicial discussion such as the choice among three candidates for employment or promotion. It is very doubtful that the cansidate would never know the reason for having been rejected. There are, of course, other possibilities.

Believe me, that is not just conjecture.

 

[Mark_Mark]

I’m just a ant in the colony, moving a grain of sand from one spot the next spot. What I post online won’t matter because Frankly I don’t matter. Just a number, just a cog, just waiting my turn to fertilize the Earth.

That being said, Free men don’t care what Rich men north of Richmond think

 

[Miami_JBT]

Certainly one good option. In most cases though, assuming we're talking about military and/or LE, the small arms training they receive isn't nearly sufficient for more than just a base level of competency. And, of course, that would only be an option for a small percentage of the population anyway. But, the principle, that of more money having been spent on ammo and training than on the gun, still applies.

Life is about choices and I've steered my life towards opportunities to where I can shoot other folks' ammunition during their training course and be paid to do so.

I could have been a dentist or a stock trader. Instead, I went into careers where packing a pistol, using a long-gun, and slinging lead was a prerequisite of the job.

This has allowed me to spend my discretionary income on amassing more arms and munitions. Discretionary income that if I didn't make those life choices, would have been spent on paying for training.

As for my career in LE, some do the bare minimum of training. I on the other hand signed up for every class and course offered by my agency and others. The state mandated that we all do 40 hours of additional training to keep our certification active. I did far more than that when I could. I took advantage of the benefits and opportunities offered.

 

[Miami_JBT]

I’m just a ant in the colony, moving a grain of sand from one spot the next spot. What I post online won’t matter because Frankly I don’t matter. Just a number, just a cog, just waiting my turn to fertilize the Earth.

That being said, Free men don’t care what Rich men north of Richmond think

I don't care what rich men south of Richmond think either. Some of 'em would like to see me and my wife disarmed because of our ancestry.

North, South, West, or East. I much don't give a damn and tell them to pound sand.

 

[Miami_JBT]

I'm afraid you have missed the point. I think it unlikely for postings to influence a charging decision, unless they relate to the case at thand. The concern about the risk of postings, posters, signs, emails, and dletters it pertains to criminal proceedings, has to do with a prosecutor's use of something that a defendant has wirtten or displayed that be taken as going to state of mind--mens rea---in order to help win the case.

That can only become an issue after the charging decision has been made.

An example or this came up in the Larry Hickey case in Arizona. Hickey was criminally charged after firing his gun, injuring no one, as he was being overpowered by three unarmed attackers, successfully stopping the attack.

As evidence of mens rea, the state introduced a chart, prepared by someone else, that they found in his training folder. We've all heard the phrase: "be polite to everyone, but have a plan to kill them."

Jurors failed to belleve that the evidence failed to proved Hickey to have been guilty beyond any reasonable doubt. Affer two trials and three successful appeals the state dropped the charges--but not until he had spent considerable time behind bars.

That has been brought up as an example of that not to have in one's files in a number of use of force law lectures, and it is mentioned in our THR sticky abut being prudent in what we post.

Now, to be sure, I think it extremely doubtful that a flip statement about being "addicted" to firearms would ever be introduced in criminal court. It would take a lot ore than that.

The reason why it could prove to have been an unwise posting is that it could come up and be damaging in some kind of non-judicial discussion such as the choice among three candidates for employment or promotion. It is very doubtful that the cansidate would never know the reason for having been rejected. There are, of course, other possibilities.

Believe me, that is not just conjecture.

I write op-ed in newspapers, get interviewed by the media for my opinions, publicly denounce anti-gun lawmakers in the Capitol, campaign for the restoration of the Second Amendment, and write reviews on guns for additional income.

Just two days ago I told the Orlando Sentinel (one of Florida’s largest papers in the state) the following:

Florida lawmakers want to end 3-day waiting periods for rifles, shotguns

A Southwest Florida state senator wants to eliminate a statewide three-day waiting period to buy a rifle or a shotgun, undoing one of the changes enacted after the Parkland mass shooting.

www.orlandosentinel.com

The State Attorney's Office to try to paint me into a corner. They can try, but they won't win.

 

[tallpaul]

Someone with only one safe is a piker with a penny-ante collection. I’ve got two vaults, need a third.

I dont think a guy with only 2 has room to call a guy with only one a name inferring beginer numbers,Besides ya dont know how big his one safe is....

 

[Reloadron]

Too many guns? When I was young I firmly believed there is never too many guns. Today is a different story. I actually reduced my gun count by one gun but only because I gave my 9 year old grandson a .22 rifle for Christmas. Now he can stop asking his mother when grandpa will give him a "real gun" to acompany his BB gun. Sometimes I find guns I never knew I had or forgot I had. I have my pet handguns and pet rifles which make range trips with me and I have guns I have not taken out in 20 or more years. The latter would fall into the "too many" group. I should probably sell off the too many but I have problems parting with guns or actually stuff ingeneral. Anyway, today in my life I guess there can be too many.

Ron

 

[Old Dog]

I'm afraid you have missed the point. I think it unlikely for postings to influence a charging decision, unless they relate to the case at thand. The concern about the risk of postings, posters, signs, emails, and dletters it pertains to criminal proceedings, has to do with a prosecutor's use of something that a defendant has wirtten or displayed that be taken as going to state of mind--mens rea---in order to help win the case.

I wasn't talking about postings. I was speaking to the PC side of the house, which in a great many (dare I say Dem-run cities, with Soros financed mayors and prosecutors?) jurisdictions most certainly influences the decision to file charges. Recent example here was to charge two white officers and one Asian officer with murder and manslaughter for the in-custody death of a black man.

The reason why it could prove to have been an unwise posting is that it could come up and be damaging in some kind of non-judicial discussion such as the choice among three candidates for employment or promotion. It is very doubtful that the cansidate would never know the reason for having been rejected. There are, of course, other possibilities.

I'm aware. Having conducted investigations on employees that were pretty much initiated as a result of social media posts. But it's typically Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, X (formerly Twitter). Speaking from experience, there would truly need to be a compelling reason to even attempt to find out what other internet activity, i.e., discussion forums, an employee, prospective employee or even a guy facing a custody hearing after a divorce was actively involved in. If one is not utilizing one's work computer to lurk on an internet forum, one is probably okay.

If you tell your employer's (or a prospective employer's) HR department that you post on Streetoutlawsforum.com with the screenname "CantcatchmeRX7" or on Biggunsforum.com as "Rascal454," shame on you, and expect some bored HR associate to at some point notify your supervisor that you post really silly stuff on the internet at 2:30 a.m.

But I will agree with respect to anything one is putting on Facebook or other social media under one's own name.

 

[Mark_Mark]

I wasn't talking about postings. I was speaking to the PC side of the house, which in a great many (dare I say Dem-run cities, with Soros financed mayors and prosecutors?) jurisdictions most certainly influences the decision to file charges. Recent example here was to charge two white officers and one Asian officer with murder and manslaughter for the in-custody death of a black man.


I'm aware. Having conducted investigations on employees that were pretty much initiated as a result of social media posts. But it's typically Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, X (formerly Twitter). Speaking from experience, there would truly need to be a compelling reason to even attempt to find out what other internet activity, i.e., discussion forums, an employee, prospective employee or even a guy facing a custody hearing after a divorce was actively involved in. If one is not utilizing one's work computer to lurk on an internet forum, one is probably okay.

If you tell your employer's (or a prospective employer's) HR department that you post on Streetoutlawsforum.com with the screenname "CantcatchmeRX7" or on Biggunsforum.com as "Rascal454," shame on you, and expect some bored HR associate to at some point notify your supervisor that you post really silly stuff on the internet at 2:30 a.m.

But I will agree with respect to anything one is putting on Facebook or other social media under one's own name.

Facebook use to sell gun back in the mid-2000’s …. Sooooo yeah … anyway Happy New Year. Another year of not mattering, off to the Ant colony I go

 

[AK Hunter]

There are only two times when you can have too many guns.
1. when the water starts to pour over the edge of the boat you are in.
2. when the airplane you are in is trying the take off & the end of the runway is coming up fast. LOL

 

[DustyGmt]

just imagining but…??? your gun safe looks like this??

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I walked into a house to do electrical work and he needed lights in his vault, his vault looked like this except for maybe the 3rd top row, all top end stuff, Lots of Larue, Nightforce, etc.... tons of ammo and pistols too. I would have estimated conservatively at least $1M invested in guns.

My safe doesn't look anything like this but I'm proud to say what I do have, I have surpassed the cost of each firearm in ammo shot through many times over along with ammo for it. That's more of a shooter than collector philosophy....

 

[drobs]

Time to get another safe.

I have Liberty and an old Stack-on gun locker full of guns. I stopped buying rifles because I have no more room to store them.
Note you can double the capacity of a safe by stacking rifles pointed down "on top of" rifles pointing up.

 

[Mark_Mark]

Time to get another safe.

I have Liberty and an old Stack-on gun locker full of guns. I stopped buying rifles because I have no more room to store them.
Note you can double the capacity of a safe by stacking rifles pointed down "on top of" rifles pointing up.

Same! I have to think about rifles because of space

 

[Mosin77]

I have a decent number of guns. When I say decent I mean I stopped counting awhile ago. I’m sure I have far fewer than some of the gentlemen on this forum. That said… I buy what I like or what seems cool and affordable. Right now I have “most” of what I want. I could see myself hanging onto all or most for a long time, or deciding to downsize and go in a different direction. Do I “need” a fraction of what I have? Absolutely not. But I enjoy them, and it’s fun to try different designs, different actions.

 

[Roc_my_tims]

Cannot have too many of something you like. I will say there's a limit to repetitive guns. (Model wise)

 

[Speedo66]

An acquaintance recently passed away, he was a collector of small bikes. This is his living room, other rooms and the hallways looked similar. He also had another outbuilding filled with bikes. Yes, he was single.

If these rooms were filled like this with firearms, you might say he had too many. I don’t envy the executors of his estate.

 

[Miami_JBT]

There are only two times when you can have too many guns.
1. when the water starts to pour over the edge of the boat you are in.
2. when the airplane you are in is trying the take off & the end of the runway is coming up fast. LOL

3. When you're going up a hill and you can't crest it due to the weight.

 

[Lo-Profile]

So here's a chart to help you know if you have to many guns or not.

 

[BLACKHAWKNJ]

Not as many as I'd like, and a lot more than I need.
Collectors, accumulators, hoarders, pack rats-how much happiness do they spread. That bike collector-when that collection is published, listed on Craigslist, EBay, specialized sites....A few years ago a neighbor said some of her son's McDonald's Flintstone mugs had broken-I gave him TWO sets.

 

[AK Hunter]

3. When you're going up a hill and you can't crest it due to the weight.

No then it's time to jump out & push. LOL

 

[tark]

Too many guns? Nope, not even close...

But, unfortunately, many of them are gone. Almost half. The other half are in gigantic safes in the basement. Safes that required an enormous amount of effort to emplace. The few I store in plain sight, are ether missing a breech bolt or not worth stealing. I call these my "bait" guns.

 

[Mark_Mark]

Too many guns? Nope, not even close...

But, unfortunately, many of them are gone. Almost half. The other half are in gigantic safes in the basement. Safes that required an enormous amount of effort to emplace. The few I store in plain sight, are ether missing a breech bolt or not worth stealing. I call these my "bait" guns.

When the Safe is a permanent fix to the house!

 

[tark]

BTW, the saber in my pic is an 1860 Model Enlisted man's saber, made by the Ames Manufacturing Co. in Chicopee , Mass. It is identical to the one Gen. John Buford carried on the first day of the battle of Gettysburg. Buford's actual saber is on display at the Rock Island Arsenal Museum. I am holding it in the pic. The guns ( most of them, anyway ) may be gone but the saber remains.

 

[Targa]

just imagining but…??? your gun safe looks like this??

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That is either an armory or the worlds most boring gun collection.

 

[Mark_Mark]

That is either an armory or the worlds most boring gun collection.

I know ! were are the Six Guns and anything not AR