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They have an Arisaka with a cut down forend for $75
Well $100 but I bet I could get it down to $75. Clueless on those as well though.
Totally clueless on Nagants.
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Well $100 but I bet I could get it down to $75. Clueless on those as well though.
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-When considering the rarity of a 1942 Mosin Nagant, don't go by the production numbers. Instead, consider the survival rate.
The vast majority of these guns are still where they were last dropped in the forests, fields and swamps of central Europe... .
The vast majority of these guns are still where they were last dropped in the forests, fields and swamps of central Europe... .
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Well said. I've thought along these lines myself when I've hefted my own, especially being married to a woman raised in the USSR, and who still holds a sense of reverence to her country's heritage and history.
Well said. I've thought along these lines myself when I've hefted my own, especially being married to a woman raised in the USSR, and who still holds a sense of reverence to her country's heritage and history.
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See if the mum is still on it (short for chrysanthemum) , the mark of the Emperor of Japan at the time, sacred in the culture. Many of the "mum"s had been ground off, or disfigured to preserve the honor of the Emperor, or so people say. I had one, good strong rifle, ammo a little hard to find. Is it a Type 38 or a Type 99? Type 38 is usually in 6.5x50, Type 99 is in 7.7x58.They have an Arisaka with a cut down forend for $75
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Mosin Nagant for 9 year old. Well, for what it's worth the short buttstock will likely not be too bad a fit if he is tall. Otherwise that rifle is awful long and heavy for a kid, and as much as I like mine (and I like mine a lot!) there's a pretty good chance a kid will not enjoy shooting it as the bolt and trigger will probably be challenging for him to operate. I doubt most young kids can put the safety on/off with ease. If he has poor form holding it that butt plate is very likely going to be unfriendly as well. Now I do understand an awful lot of folks these days only shoot from benches with sleds so that may not apply, but as cool as I would have found the Mosin as a gift in childhood it may not be something enjoyed much for actual shooting. Just my opinion, worth exactly what was paid for it.
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Agreed, unless you handload some puffball loads for it, it would be best to wait till he is a little older to actually shoot it. Or use a lead sled.
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Bought the Mosin today, not yesterday like I had planned. Got the delay again so I'll be picking it up monday.
The stock has been butchered but I love working with wood so that's not an issue for me. In the last pic, that forward screw can't be tightened any more than it is so when you press just behind it on the steel plate it has a springing type play. About an 1/8" of play. Any info on that?
The bore is clean, not bright and sharp but also not pitted and worn out, at least that's what I could tell with my bore light.
The stock will be totally redone in my shop. My even make a new one.
$75 otd. That sound fair? Again, I know nothing about Arisakas except that the ammo cost is a bit high. Can anyone tell me what this is? Markings etc? Are these good guns? Does anyone see anything (other than the stock) that says "Do not buy!". Thanks.
Here's some photos of the Arisaka. Type 99 I believe.
The stock has been butchered but I love working with wood so that's not an issue for me. In the last pic, that forward screw can't be tightened any more than it is so when you press just behind it on the steel plate it has a springing type play. About an 1/8" of play. Any info on that?The bore is clean, not bright and sharp but also not pitted and worn out, at least that's what I could tell with my bore light.
The stock will be totally redone in my shop. My even make a new one.
$75 otd. That sound fair? Again, I know nothing about Arisakas except that the ammo cost is a bit high. Can anyone tell me what this is? Markings etc? Are these good guns? Does anyone see anything (other than the stock) that says "Do not buy!". Thanks.
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Yep, its a Type 99. Its a good buy, especially since most of the "anti-aircraft" rear sights are still intact. Finding a full replacement stock, if you were to go that way, is far and few inbetween, but if it's something you like, get it.
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I own (owned) a Mauser 98, gave it my son, one Weatherby, a Remington 1917, several Rem 700's. So yes, I know. And I meant the Mosin appeared in nice condition. I don't know if it's a "nice rifle", this will be my first. Sorry to make you flinch
. Poor wording on my end maybe. The mosin is bought already anyway. If anyone can chime in on that Arisaka, any info would be great.
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No worries, I did not mean you. And I do not mean that as a criticism of buying a Mosin. I don't know much about Arisaka. I had a buddy that hunted with one. Some guys like them and think the 6.5 round is pretty good. In the 1950's and 60's hundreds of thousands of World War two rifles were sold here. Large numbers were sporterized. Mosin and other Soviet weapons were not imported until around 1990 after the fall of the Berlin Wall.I own (owned) a Mauser 98, gave it my son, one Weatherby, a Remington 1917, several Rem 700's. So yes, I know. And I meant the Mosin appeared in nice condition. I don't know if it's a "nice rifle", this will be my first. Sorry to make you flinch
The mosin is bought already anyway. If anyone can chime in on that Arisaka, any info would be great.
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That arisaka is a very good buy due to the barrel being uncut, and they also did not cut the tang short on the back of the receiver. If I was in there it would come home with me and I would stow it away till I could find a stock for it.
Very commonly they get the barrel and tang cut to fit in a sporter stock, and the bolt handle bent or cut off. A lot of them were also rechambered to 30-06. Bring an empty 30-06 case and see if it will chamber. If it does not chamber it’s likely still the original 7.7x58 jap.
Very commonly they get the barrel and tang cut to fit in a sporter stock, and the bolt handle bent or cut off. A lot of them were also rechambered to 30-06. Bring an empty 30-06 case and see if it will chamber. If it does not chamber it’s likely still the original 7.7x58 jap.
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Unmolested arisaka’s are going for around $400, so that is a solid buy.
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He said it 7.7 Jap. Bring an aught six case as well? He told me the guy that brought it in said the sights alone are worth $75. Apparently they are Aircraft sights and those side wings help determine craft speed an when to fire.
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Wings are still on that t99s sight, you can sell those for probably 1/4-1/2 the price of the rifle. They aren't stupid expensive, but they are fragile and many got broken or lopped off, so there is a market for them.
I'd buy that t99 it's stock is cut up, bolts a little bent, but is early war and looks in decent shape. Chromed lined bore is probably still nice. The 06 case is to make sure it's not rechambered I think. I ran into one of those, and it's a bad option, but was one of the only real work arounds for easy ammo access.
Hopefully you and your son enjoy the mosin, they are neat rifles, and if you decide to reload for it I think I've got some cases left that you can have.
As a option n for easily removeable recoil reduction without adding another of length, you can double side tape a rubber slipper to the back of the stock.
They do make extension, but the one I had was fairly hard and didn't reduce recoil much.
I'd buy that t99 it's stock is cut up, bolts a little bent, but is early war and looks in decent shape. Chromed lined bore is probably still nice. The 06 case is to make sure it's not rechambered I think. I ran into one of those, and it's a bad option, but was one of the only real work arounds for easy ammo access.
Hopefully you and your son enjoy the mosin, they are neat rifles, and if you decide to reload for it I think I've got some cases left that you can have.
As a option n for easily removeable recoil reduction without adding another of length, you can double side tape a rubber slipper to the back of the stock.
They do make extension, but the one I had was fairly hard and didn't reduce recoil much.
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Yeah, after the war a lot of these came in the country but there was no ammo available for them, so people used to ream the chambers out to fit the slightly longer 30-06 cartridge. If the bolt will close on an empty 30-06 or 270 case it’s been rechambered.
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I'm late to the party, but you made a good choice. As far as rare goes, you should see my 1944 Tula 91/30. It has one unique feature... it has a hex receiver. Not very common at all... almost unicorn.
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I picked up this sporterized T99 last year. Came with a nice stock but was poorly fitted and showing a good bit of wear. I bedded it, did some metal work on the receiver, reblued it, and redid the stock in an oil finish. It’s the original barrel still chrome lined and chambered in 7.7x58. Shoots okay, 1-1/2 to 2”.
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Some of the more famous wildcatters of rhe period tested the arisaka action in many ways. Come to find out it is much, much stronger than people thought. Even thought they were often finished crudely, they were very robust rifles and were quite popular for rechambering projects of all kinds, especially in the 50’s and 60’s.
Obviously yours has been sportered and isnt worth much but should be a good shooter.
Replacement stocks are rare and will be very pricey. That being said it looks fairly complete and would make a good deer rifle.
BTW, that mum was ground on MacArthur’s orders as a sort-of insult to the emperor. The mum was a royal symbol indicating “property of the emperor”.
Obviously yours has been sportered and isnt worth much but should be a good shooter.
Replacement stocks are rare and will be very pricey. That being said it looks fairly complete and would make a good deer rifle.
BTW, that mum was ground on MacArthur’s orders as a sort-of insult to the emperor. The mum was a royal symbol indicating “property of the emperor”.
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Mine shot great would hold a 3" group at 100 yards just 10" high till I fixed the front sight http://smith-sights.com/
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Gorgeous stock.
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Here's a pic of my son shooting my 1930 Tula with Czech light ball ammo. He was 10 at the time. (He's 25 now, and wants that gun when I'm gone.) We shot in the feedlot (the cattle were in the back pasture) all summer long, at least 100 rounds each, back when Sportsman's Guide had that ammo for less than $2.50 a box.
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Actually they destroyed the mum themselves before surrendering at the end of the war so as to not disgrace the emperor. The US troops were actually ordered to allow them time to do so before turning them over.
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