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Is dry firing a hammered revolver good for the gun? Just checking. I do have an iPhone how do I do slow motion?
Fired 10 357 rounds and about 40 38spl but I think they are heavy 158gr type loads. I said you got 300rds why stop at 50? She just smiled and said she was done. I think it intimidates her or she’s flinching cause if I had a new gun and 300rds I’d be having some fun!
You’re also 6’7”. Lol.
To do slow motion, go to your camera. At the bottom you will see “SLO-MO, VIDEO, PHOTO (highlighted in yellow), SQUARE, PANO. Swipe to the right until SLO-MO is highlighted in yellow. Now you’re ready to record. Once you hit the record button, you will take about 3-4 seconds of real-time video before the slow motion camera activates. Then after the shot, you need to wait about 3-4 seconds before you stop recording.
As you’re watching the video, if you press your finger on the small video strip at the bottom and SLOWLY roll your finger from side to side, you can really slow the video down to almost frame by frame. I use this feature all the time when watching people shoot guns and bows. I catch a LOT of people closing their eyes just before the shot. You’ll use this a lot in the future.
I’ll just go ahead and say it now. You’re welcome. Happy to help.
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Depends on the revolver. It'll smooth out the trigger pull on a steel framed Ruger. Can't say it'll make any improvement to the action on a S&W (they don't come as rough as Ruger usually do), but I seriously doubt it'll damage it in the slightest. Perhaps investigation of the manufacturer's FAQs will settle it best. And snap caps are always an option.
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oilhunter2014 writes:
Two types of revolvers should not be routinely dry-fired without "Snap Caps" or similar in place, any revolver with the firing pin mounted on the hammer face, and any rimfire revolver (.22LR, .22WMR, etc.)
Pretty much all other modern revolvers are good to go.
Two types of revolvers should not be routinely dry-fired without "Snap Caps" or similar in place, any revolver with the firing pin mounted on the hammer face, and any rimfire revolver (.22LR, .22WMR, etc.)
Pretty much all other modern revolvers are good to go.
What happened to starting her off on something with low recoil? Start with a low recoil round, focus on the basics of gun handling and trigger discipline, be patient, positive, and supportive.
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IMHO, the liability thing is moot, especially if you aren't charging to train her. What liability is there for two friends going to the range together and exchanging ideas? My bigger fear would be that she would not know how to use the gun properly if and when she needed it for SD, or that she hurt herself or someone else, because she does not know what she's doing.
My question would be....how proficient are you at the safe handling and shooting of handguns? Do you really know how to teach proper grip and shooting techniques or are you just gonna promote and escalate bad habits that will be difficult even for a proper trainer to break? Teaching someone to shoot is like training a bird dog. While almost anyone can do it, not everyone is good at it.
My question would be....how proficient are you at the safe handling and shooting of handguns? Do you really know how to teach proper grip and shooting techniques or are you just gonna promote and escalate bad habits that will be difficult even for a proper trainer to break? Teaching someone to shoot is like training a bird dog. While almost anyone can do it, not everyone is good at it.
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I don’t see a lot of “liability” by teaching someone to do something correctly.
Teach a kid how to drive and it’s on them if they speed. Teach someone to cook and it’s not your fault if they cook a dish that you don’t like. She’s your friend, you know better than we do if her heads in the right place, after that I’d have no problems giving her pointers.
Teach a kid how to drive and it’s on them if they speed. Teach someone to cook and it’s not your fault if they cook a dish that you don’t like. She’s your friend, you know better than we do if her heads in the right place, after that I’d have no problems giving her pointers.
She did this on her own and her first range trip. I was not involved in this session.
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Cornered Kat dot com is where I send all my female friends interested in self protection. There is literally a ton of information for them to absorb. I would also recommend .38 spec loads for her firearm. And most ranges have a ladies night (ours is Wednesday) and it really helps women to be around other women when talking about shooting guns.
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This pretty much says it all. She asked you for help. She must trust you. Be a friend and help her.
I agree with the person who says 1 critique at a time and encouragement through the session.
I will add 38 wad cutter is the lowest recoil round I have found. Sellier&bellot is the only brand I tried.
Start with proper sight picture.
Have her practice checking if it's empty, then dryfire while aiming at a doorknob without allowing the sights to leave the knob when the trigger is pulled. Commercial breaks are great for this.
Next I would work on stance. Consistency is more important than specific one chosen.
I will add 38 wad cutter is the lowest recoil round I have found. Sellier&bellot is the only brand I tried.
Start with proper sight picture.
Have her practice checking if it's empty, then dryfire while aiming at a doorknob without allowing the sights to leave the knob when the trigger is pulled. Commercial breaks are great for this.
Next I would work on stance. Consistency is more important than specific one chosen.
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huntsman
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Move her up to 7’ till she bats 500 then back to 10’
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Driver's Ed teachers are not held liable if a student drives recklessly or chooses to run over someone.
Gun manufacturers aren't held liable when someone shoots up a school.
Alcohol manufacturers aren't held liable when a parent gets drunk and beats on their kids or spouse.
If you care about your friend's safety you'll help her learn fundamentals, and go to the range with her so she doesn't feel alone. You'll also encourage her to get formal training from an instructor.
It'll also be a good idea to encourage her to take a course regarding the legalities of using a gun for self defense.
She sounds totally out of her element and in need of instruction and support. If you aren't promoting an attitude of "shoot till he's dead" I don't think any judge or jury would hold you liable.
I taught my ex girlfriend to shoot because she needs to be able to defend herself. She runs a business alone and needs to be able to drive off an attacker if need be.
Everybody says that the revolver is the perfect gun for new shooters and/or women. I disagree. I think they're one of the worst. They're noisy (thanks to barrel-cylinder gap), they have long heavy trigger pull, and they can have some serious kick (especially if shooting .357)
A .22 is great or even a .380 or 9mm semi-auto wouldn't be bad.
My wife bought a Taurus 85 .38 revolver and we had to put after market thinner grips on it. My wife is short and has smaller hands with shorter fingers. She couldn't reach the trigger with her finger with the standard grip...
Do you have any other guns she could try out? I know she already has the revolver but if she were to try a different gun and liked it better, maybe she could trade in the revolver? Seriously I can't emphasize enough how terrible these guns are for beginners... try to talk her into something like a Glock 42
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Another positive vote for Cornered Cat. I've met Kathy she's awesome.
A .22 is great or even a .380 or 9mm semi-auto wouldn't be bad.
My wife bought a Taurus 85 .38 revolver and we had to put after market thinner grips on it. My wife is short and has smaller hands with shorter fingers. She couldn't reach the trigger with her finger with the standard grip...
Do you have any other guns she could try out? I know she already has the revolver but if she were to try a different gun and liked it better, maybe she could trade in the revolver? Seriously I can't emphasize enough how terrible these guns are for beginners... try to talk her into something like a Glock 42
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Another positive vote for Cornered Cat. I've met Kathy she's awesome.
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I have never understood the obsession with forcing women to carry revolvers. Once gun people get ahold of a bad idea, they perpetuate it as though it were gospel. It's like the nonsense about burglars pooping their pants when they hear someone racking a pump shotgun. Yeah, that will work. Don't bother loading it.
I don't believe there are many women who can't figure out a Glock. I have never met a woman that stupid.
Semiautos are lighter and easier to shoot, and they hold more ammunition. A woman is much better off with 7 or 11 rounds of 9mm than 5 rounds of anemic .38 Special.
If I had my guess I'd take a guess that trying to pair women and revolvers centers around a few different issues.
1) The women themselves often aren't genuinely interested in shooting and they're only going to appease the guy in their life.
2) They're a bit scared of the gun to begin with and some women have trouble with racking a slide.
3) Imagine what malfunction drills would be like if they limp-wrist it when they have trouble racking the slide.
It's not that large of a leap into a revolver since they're stupid simple to operate ... aim and pull trigger.
The answer to all this of course is more training, but the trouble is often getting them to said training. If there's not much interest to begin with that's a struggle.
The only reason why my wife ended up with a semi-auto is because she hates revolvers with a passion and so she suffered through malfunction drills.
1) The women themselves often aren't genuinely interested in shooting and they're only going to appease the guy in their life.
2) They're a bit scared of the gun to begin with and some women have trouble with racking a slide.
3) Imagine what malfunction drills would be like if they limp-wrist it when they have trouble racking the slide.
It's not that large of a leap into a revolver since they're stupid simple to operate ... aim and pull trigger.
The answer to all this of course is more training, but the trouble is often getting them to said training. If there's not much interest to begin with that's a struggle.
The only reason why my wife ended up with a semi-auto is because she hates revolvers with a passion and so she suffered through malfunction drills.
As an NRA certified instructor, I can tell you with complete confidence that NRA certification as a basic pistol instructor means little or nothing when it comes to competence with or teaching how to run a pistol. It's a place to start but I would highly recommend looking at the potential instructor's training history and talking to other students if possible. Any good instructor should be happy to provide credentials.
Are you saying this based on actual knowledge or just guessing? I'm interested on a personal level since I teach basic classes and certainly touch on what could be considered "tactics" at times (though I'm not really sure where exactly the line is).
Easy to diagnose the flinching. Load the gun for her, randomly leaving out a round or two. Any flinching will be immediately evident to both of you when she gets to the empty chambers. Use snap caps if dry fire is a concern.
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It has nothing to do with forcing them to carry revolvers, but everything to do with the lack of interest in continuous familiarity training with semi-autos.
ALL women I've taught, could learn to shoot semi-autos, but most would not pick the gun up again for 6-12 months, or longer. At that point they were no longer familiar with the operation of the action, the safety, or the magazine. The usual question when they showed up at the range again was "Now how does this work again?". (This includes my wife, who loved the Colt 380ACP, but sold it and has a .44SPC revolver).
At that point it was time to suggest that they needed more frequent practice OR a revolver that fit their hands. Grips can be changed, actions can be improved, but "point and pull" is not forgotten. A few actually began to shoot more frequently, most either chose a revolver or stopped shooting completely.
None of this has changed in the 30 plus years I've been working with women students. (The loss of familiarity was also true nearly 50 years ago with male shooters I taught in the military, when they never saw another handgun after the original training).
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Until my hip replace this past December (I have a matching pair now) I was a full time LE firearms and tactics instructor. I also am my agencies use of force legal instructor, and I have taught liability in the past for our supervisors. My statement is based on all that. In the LE context as an instructor I might end up on the stand for anything an officer said I taught them. The next step for me is to say that the agency signed off on my teaching, and then the agency says where they got it from. In the civilian world, there is no "agency" to fall back on when you to that part. You have to be able to articulate all the "why's" and "wherefore's" regarding whatever you're teaching. Pure marksmanship and weapon manipulation is going to be a very difficult thing for you to be successfully sued over. The 7 fundamentals and such are almost universal. Unless your marksmanship is so far off the between path as to potentially be negligent it will be very difficult to bring a case.
In your case if what you are teaching is "conventional" and widely used, you'll probably be okay. Also please note I'm not an attorney and nothing in the above constituted legal advice.
I appreciate your response. What I teach is nothing revolutionary, that's for sure. It does however, go beyond the typical "CHL" class here in Ohio. Most classes here are simply the NRA basic pistol course, which is essentially only useful to teach people how to fire a handgun on a flat range without accidentally shooting themselves or others. It teaches nothing about how to actually carry or use the weapon outside of that environment. It doesn't even touch on how to draw the weapon or the attributes of different holsters, even though most people taking the class are doing so in order to carry their handgun in public. One of the things I focus on is the critical need for students to get further, more advanced training, and part of that is showing them why we do certain things. That certainly starts to touch on what could be considered "tactics".
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buck460XVR
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Again, I'm not an attorney either, but there's a big difference when it comes to liability when your are paid to teach as opposed to what the OP is talking about, just helping a friend out at the range for free. Otherwise, none of us would ever help out someone new to firearms....or learning to drive....or hunting, etc, etc.
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