NY Patriot
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Read it & weep...
http://www.gunsnet.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=136707
...and then go forth & educate!
http://www.gunsnet.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=136707
...and then go forth & educate!
Trap Shooting Forum Ripe with Fellow Gun Owners who Support the AW Ban!!!
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NY Patriot
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A word to the wise... if you are planing to sign up on that Trap shooting forum, & preach the essential nature of the RKBA, please be polite and assault them with facts, quotes, & statistics... NOT insults.
Justin
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Agree with what NY Patriot said. As such, I'm going to repost a message that Preacherman has floated over in the Legal and Political forum:
We've had several of our members engaging in political debate on other forums. That's fine and dandy, and we encourage our members to visit other forums, learn from what's going on there, and contribute their own insights.
However, some of our members seem to enjoy "trolling" other boards, baiting the moderators and membership, and generally "educating" those with different opinions. Obviously, any of us is free to do this AS AN INDIVIDUAL - this is part of free speech (unless and until the moderators get to you!
). However, please remember the cardinal rule:
THE HIGH ROAD DOES NOT
ENGAGE IN FLAME WARS
WITH OTHER FORUMS!!!
THR as a forum, and certainly our moderators and administrators, do NOT engage in flame wars with other forums: do NOT "spam" other boards with our own comments: and will certainly stop others from doing the same to us. Other forums are free to do the same to our members who misbehave on their "turf".
Please behave like adults and don't draw THR into no-win situations like this!
We've had several of our members engaging in political debate on other forums. That's fine and dandy, and we encourage our members to visit other forums, learn from what's going on there, and contribute their own insights.
However, some of our members seem to enjoy "trolling" other boards, baiting the moderators and membership, and generally "educating" those with different opinions. Obviously, any of us is free to do this AS AN INDIVIDUAL - this is part of free speech (unless and until the moderators get to you!
). However, please remember the cardinal rule:THE HIGH ROAD DOES NOT
ENGAGE IN FLAME WARS
WITH OTHER FORUMS!!!
THR as a forum, and certainly our moderators and administrators, do NOT engage in flame wars with other forums: do NOT "spam" other boards with our own comments: and will certainly stop others from doing the same to us. Other forums are free to do the same to our members who misbehave on their "turf".
Please behave like adults and don't draw THR into no-win situations like this!
Mike Irwin
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Not surprising in the least.
I've shot more than my fair share of the shotgun sports over the years.
It is, as compared to the other shootign sports, EXTREMELY gentrified.
Far too many of these individuals don't see their shotguns as "firearms" at all, and absolutely believe that anti-gun laws simply won't affect them.
It's a pity, really, but it's the same sort of mentality to allows politicians who are largely anti-gun to try to pander to the hunting community by saying that they're A) hunters, and B) not after hunting guns.
I've shot more than my fair share of the shotgun sports over the years.
It is, as compared to the other shootign sports, EXTREMELY gentrified.
Far too many of these individuals don't see their shotguns as "firearms" at all, and absolutely believe that anti-gun laws simply won't affect them.
It's a pity, really, but it's the same sort of mentality to allows politicians who are largely anti-gun to try to pander to the hunting community by saying that they're A) hunters, and B) not after hunting guns.
sm
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I competed for years--skeet...them trap fellers were always a bit wierd KIDDING.
But I'm not kidding when I agree with Mike...some of the most heated arguments I've ever had about gun laws were with other "shooters".
Clays, deer, duck hunters, bird hunters...etc. Fighting amongst ourselves accomplishes nothing...well other than divided we make the anti's job easier.
NOPE -didn't and won't visit the link. I haven't competed in years, don't shoot the clays as I once did...and the bunch I shoot with sort of weeded out the "wrong thinkin' bunch.
Sad is what I feel...sheeple among shooters...sad.
KIDDING.But I'm not kidding when I agree with Mike...some of the most heated arguments I've ever had about gun laws were with other "shooters".
Clays, deer, duck hunters, bird hunters...etc. Fighting amongst ourselves accomplishes nothing...well other than divided we make the anti's job easier.NOPE -didn't and won't visit the link. I haven't competed in years, don't shoot the clays as I once did...and the bunch I shoot with sort of weeded out the "wrong thinkin' bunch.
Sad is what I feel...sheeple among shooters...sad.
carp killer
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[/QUOTE] It is, as compared to the other shootign sports, EXTREMELY gentrified.
C.R.Sam
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Sad.
Been that way since I learned to squeek "pull".
Some 50 plus years ago.
Sam
Been that way since I learned to squeek "pull".
Some 50 plus years ago.
Sam
Mark Tyson
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Maybe they think the first amendment is about publishing comic books too.
Standing Wolf
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Divide and conquer is a tried and true leftist extremist strategy.
Travis McGee
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When those lamers bring up how nice and gentle muskets were compared to modern semi autos, remind them that in 1780 or 1880 for that matter, bullet wounds resulted in screaming agonizing death over hours or days.
No sterile surgery, no antibiotics, no pain killers. Any torso hit resulted in screaming death. Half of limb wounds killed you, the rest left you with a stump at best.
Today, about 75% of bullet wounds are survived, after a trip to the trauma center.
Even in 1780, any lunatic could load his "assault blunderbusses" up with a half pound of rusty nails and take out a church picnic. Every wound, would mean screaming death in hours or days. But they didn't do it.
What has changed more? Weapons, which have been more than matched by medicine, or society?
No sterile surgery, no antibiotics, no pain killers. Any torso hit resulted in screaming death. Half of limb wounds killed you, the rest left you with a stump at best.
Today, about 75% of bullet wounds are survived, after a trip to the trauma center.
Even in 1780, any lunatic could load his "assault blunderbusses" up with a half pound of rusty nails and take out a church picnic. Every wound, would mean screaming death in hours or days. But they didn't do it.
What has changed more? Weapons, which have been more than matched by medicine, or society?
Carlos
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I'm not going to waste one second of my time.
NY Patriot
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Bump!
Come on over & help out the cause folks...this is an "all hands on deck" moment!
Remember... educate, don't alienate!
Come on over & help out the cause folks...this is an "all hands on deck" moment!
Remember... educate, don't alienate!
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Concur with necessity to be civil. Better to accepted from within and then propagate one's view on other matters. You can go in swinging and get thrown out screaming and in so doing, win no friends.
At least we don't have to worry about the blackpowder crowd. Even the N-SSA reenactors/shooters are with us.
At least we don't have to worry about the blackpowder crowd. Even the N-SSA reenactors/shooters are with us.
benEzra
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Most (all?) of the victims at Columbine were killed by SHOTGUNS. One was a side-by-side and the other was a pump, IIRC.
A shotgun is much more efficient for killing other humans than a semiauto Uzi, for example, particularly at close range.
It annoys me to no end that some self-righteous hunters want me to support THEIR right to hunt, but won't support MY right as a nonhunter to own non-hunting guns.
A shotgun is much more efficient for killing other humans than a semiauto Uzi, for example, particularly at close range.
It annoys me to no end that some self-righteous hunters want me to support THEIR right to hunt, but won't support MY right as a nonhunter to own non-hunting guns.
C.R.Sam
Moderator Emeritus
Relativity.
A FN FAL is a more practical food gatherer than a 20 grand single trap gun.
But both will destroy people if used that way.
Sam
A FN FAL is a more practical food gatherer than a 20 grand single trap gun.
But both will destroy people if used that way.
Sam
Orthonym
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Ah, Shotgun Snobs
Reminds me of the time I visited the shotgun boutique in Buckhead (Atlanta) a few years back and asked for some 45APC cartridges. You'd have thought I was a male in Hancock Fabrics! The contempt was thickening the air. They had the ammo, and sold it to me, but I was definitely made to feel, uh "non-white." Maybe if I'd gone in wearing a $200 Sea Island cotton shirt (sleeves rolled up and tie loosened, of course) over the trousers of a $900 suit I might have gotten some respect? That seems to be the uniform among those people.
Reminds me of the time I visited the shotgun boutique in Buckhead (Atlanta) a few years back and asked for some 45APC cartridges. You'd have thought I was a male in Hancock Fabrics! The contempt was thickening the air. They had the ammo, and sold it to me, but I was definitely made to feel, uh "non-white." Maybe if I'd gone in wearing a $200 Sea Island cotton shirt (sleeves rolled up and tie loosened, of course) over the trousers of a $900 suit I might have gotten some respect? That seems to be the uniform among those people.
Mark Tyson
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Orthonym, that is sickening snobbery. I've always felt a kind of community among gun owners. One of the best things about going to the range in my area has always been that you'll see blue collar factory workers shooting next to board members, police officers next to farmers, soldiers, computer techs, college students . . . everybody together. The kind of thing you describe is just unbelievable to me. Revolting.
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feedthehogs
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Is that gentrified or gender neutral?
another okie
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The expression you want is "rife," not "ripe."
Orthonym
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To Mark Tyson:
Oh yeah, I agree wholeheartedly. I recall going out to the DeKalb County (GA) public range to teach self and lady friend to shoot; all sorts of people there, to wit: The guy on my left, making an entry in his notebook after each shot; The guy on my right having fun with a 44Mag which hurt my ears and made me flinch; The stockbrokers down the line a ways trying out their new black powder rifle; The black (should I say colored?) gentleman teaching his son to shoot; and the usual generality of ordinary people.
That's out in the field, of course, people behave differently in town.
Oh yeah, I agree wholeheartedly. I recall going out to the DeKalb County (GA) public range to teach self and lady friend to shoot; all sorts of people there, to wit: The guy on my left, making an entry in his notebook after each shot; The guy on my right having fun with a 44Mag which hurt my ears and made me flinch; The stockbrokers down the line a ways trying out their new black powder rifle; The black (should I say colored?) gentleman teaching his son to shoot; and the usual generality of ordinary people.
That's out in the field, of course, people behave differently in town.
Benton
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Orthonym, I believe I know the place you speak of in Buckhead. It is but one of the places that have drifted to the realm of the high end shotgun people: the people who pose with their Fox & L.C. Smith doubles at the skeet or range. These shotguns are fine in themselves, but they are susceptable to being used as Jaguars and Rolexes - a means to project status and separation from the hoi poloi.
I've received uncomprehending looks when discussing 2nd amendment issues with people whose only experience with firearms is at a shotgunning club. For many of them, the skeet range is simply another version of the golf course, a social network. Ideas which are perceived as anything outside the broadly accepted, immoderate, or unconventional call for distance if one is to successfully "network" at these clubs.
Sadly, the perception of the shotgun-sporting purpose crowd is not limited to the "boys at the club". My father, a child of the '30s, a rural Southerner, has no interest in the decline of firearms rights. For him and his contemporaries in the area, firearms are only tools for hunting. The laws affecting the carry of firearms and types of firearms they are unfamiliar with (any other than shotguns, bolt & lever action rifles) are of little interest to them. His is a generation of tradition and alleged patriotism that votes in every election, but my efforts to call to their attention the importance of 2nd amendment issues normally elicits shrugs.
Sorry to go on so. It has been frustrating throughout my life, however, to find so few supporters of firearm rights among the many gun owners I've met in my life.
I've received uncomprehending looks when discussing 2nd amendment issues with people whose only experience with firearms is at a shotgunning club. For many of them, the skeet range is simply another version of the golf course, a social network. Ideas which are perceived as anything outside the broadly accepted, immoderate, or unconventional call for distance if one is to successfully "network" at these clubs.
Sadly, the perception of the shotgun-sporting purpose crowd is not limited to the "boys at the club". My father, a child of the '30s, a rural Southerner, has no interest in the decline of firearms rights. For him and his contemporaries in the area, firearms are only tools for hunting. The laws affecting the carry of firearms and types of firearms they are unfamiliar with (any other than shotguns, bolt & lever action rifles) are of little interest to them. His is a generation of tradition and alleged patriotism that votes in every election, but my efforts to call to their attention the importance of 2nd amendment issues normally elicits shrugs.
Sorry to go on so. It has been frustrating throughout my life, however, to find so few supporters of firearm rights among the many gun owners I've met in my life.
ojibweindian
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Simply put, apathy is a witch with a capital 'B'.
TheOtherOne
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To give them some credit, it looks like the majority of the posts were for ending the ban and very pro-gun. Maybe that's just because a bunch of other forums had jumped in the topic by the time I read through it.
But still it really hurts to read comments like these from other gun owners:
"I am a huge gun advocate, sportsman and a Constitutionalist, but I do not support repealing a ban on weapons that were intended for military use. Hiding behind the Second Amendment as the basis for the repeal is silly."
But still it really hurts to read comments like these from other gun owners:
"I am a huge gun advocate, sportsman and a Constitutionalist, but I do not support repealing a ban on weapons that were intended for military use. Hiding behind the Second Amendment as the basis for the repeal is silly."
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