Traveling w/ handgun

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Going to be heading out of town during spring break.

I have not taken a CHG course or licensed to carry consealed, but I like to know what the Texas law is for traveling w/ a handgun?

Is it ok by law that I can travel w/ handgun as long as bullets/clip is for example in glovebox as my HG is in my holster on my hip in vehicle? I am sure by law I am not allow to have a fully-loaded HG w/ CHG licenses.

Anyone here can help me out? Texas neighbors?
Thanks for any tips
 
There has been a change in that you are supposed to be assumed to be a traveler and the burden of proof is on the prosecution to prove you aren't a traveler.
The intent is that law enforcement is supposed to assume that you are a traveler legally having the gun in your vehicle.
But some jurisdictions, I believe Harris County is one, that say they will arrest anyone caught with a handgun and no CHL.

I and many people I worked with traveled hundreds of miles to work for many years and I never heard of anyone having trouble with having a loaded handgun in the car.



TRAVELERS

A traveler under the statute is not defined. Case law indicates some general characteristics as to what has been held to be a traveler.


The subject must make a direct unbroken journey without lengthy stops or deviations in route. A mere pause or brief deviation for purpose of business incidental to the journey have been allowed but courts generally will not allow interruption of a trip for pleasure or deviation for purposes not directly incident to the journey.

Generally the journey must be of some considerable length at least to the extent that he leaves his home county. Distances of 15, 18, 35 and 40 miles have been held insufficient to be "traveling" while 150 miles in one case was held sufficient.

The distance must be considered in relation to time and the mode of travel. What was a bona fide journey in a horse drawn wagon is not necessarily so in an automobile. A 6-7 hour trip in an automobile has been held not to be "traveling". Generally cases require subject to be away from original point of departure at least overnight.

All considerations of whether subject is a traveler must be made remembering that (1) it is the burden of the defendant to show he is a traveler and therefore exempt, and (2) the question of whether subject is traveler is one for the jury. The court has been strict in many cases in requiring clear and convincing proof that defense is genuine and not a sham. The court's attitude in this and other defenses to U.C.W. is characterized by the statement that any incident of carrying such weapons as prohibited in the statute even where a defense exists must not be done "habitually, in roundabout ways, or while loitering in the streets or in unnecessary deviation from the route to which it is being carried.

EXAMPLES:

Subject residing in a county travels to the county seat of that county intending to return the next day held not to be a traveler under the statute. Darby v. State 5 S.W. 90

Where a traveler deflects from his journey on business not connected with his journey, the fact that he initially was a traveler does not prevent conviction. Pecht v. State l99 S.W. 2g0

Mere delay or temporary cessation of the journey on legitimate business incident to journey does not necessarily make one cease to be a traveler. Campbell v. State 125 S.W. 2g0

Subject left on trip at SPM and was to return 11-12 PM the same night held not to be traveler. Vogt v. State 258 S.W. 2d 795

Subject had traveled 25 miles and was preparing to camp out overnight held to be a traveler. Price v. State 29 S.W. 473
 
thanks. the 2nd part has me lost. Well , I think as long as I have my clip in another area of my vehicle from my handgun, I think it will be ok. As if, I was to be pulled over by a police officer, I will tell him were traveling and I do have weapon in the car, but the ammo and weapon is not together for complete easy access. Just for safety reasons to I , family and officer if it is upon.


### by the way, harris county is up in Houston area right? I will have to go through there, so thanks for the headsup
 
There's nothing in the law about having the gun unloaded.
If you have it with you legally it can be loaded.

If you are actually a traveler, and happen to be stopped, do not say anything about the gun unless asked.
If you had a CHL you are required to give your CHL with your driver's license but as a traveler you aren't required to say anything unless asked.

There are times to say you have a gun.
For instance if the gun was in the glove box and you had to get your insurance proof from the glove box, before opening the glove box tell the LEO, "My insurance paper is in the glove box and I have a pistol in the there, because I'm traveling".
You don't want to be surprising the LEO with the gun, especially if it's in a place that you are reaching.


There's really no problem traveling with a loaded pistol. Just use common sense.
Once you get to your destination you must remove the gun from the car.
In other words if you were going to Galveston for the weekend you should plan to check in to the motel and lock the gun in the motel as soon as you get in town. You can't legally drive around town with the gun.
 
BTW, you mentioned wearing the gun in a holster. Bad idea. I can think of scenarios in which that could be looked at as carrying without a license.
Just put it in the glove box or anyplace that's handy but out of sight.

Bottom line,
If you are going on a trip for some distance and staying overnight at the destination, than you meet the accepted definition of a "traveler" and can legally have a loaded handgun in the car.

You can carry a loaded shotgun or rifle in the car at anytime.
 
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