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Traveling without firearms.

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Carl Levitian

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I guess one benifit of living in a non CCW state, is that I'm used to not having a gun around when I'm out and about. But even if I could, I have a liking for some kinds of vehicles that by nature of the beast, one cannot lock up and leave valuebles inside.

I like motorcycles and motorscooters. Its been a life long thing, and to this day I'm queer over two wheels with a motor someplace in between them. For many years I rode old BMW boxer twins. R65, R80, R60. Traveling on a bike is a study in minimal packing. Saddle bags and a dufffle bag on the back are it. If it don't fit, it don't go.

In 2000, I did a cross country out to the Oregon coast and back, and camped out along the way. East of the Missisipi I camped out at KOA's, but once out west I just pulled off into the countryside of BLM land. I thought about a gun, but with no hard bags or place to keep it, I went without.

Thats not to say I was unarmed. I had my knarliest, knobyest blackthorn walking stick along. I carried it stuck under some bungy cords that were around my duffle bag on the back of the bike. As I got off the bike, I just reached back and pulled it out, and it went with me. Since I planned on stopping alot at places like the Browning museum in Utah, the mountain man museum in Colorado, the Fur trade museum in Nebraska, and Bents Old Fort in Colorado, I didn't want to leave anything on the bike that I couldn't replace at the next surplus store or Galyans. As it was people left my bike alone. Surprise.

These days the big bikes are gone, but the better half and I roam around on our PX150 Vespa's. We go out to the shore and camp at Assategue Island National seashore, packing our gear in duffle bags that go on the floorboard between our feet, and bungied on the back passenger seat. Sometimes we'll ride down Skyline drive in the Shenendoah National Park, and camp out along the way. I still don't like being unarmed, so theres a few items along. I still have my walking stick, being a 50% disabled vet nobody can say anything about ti. But I also pack along a 12 inch machete in the bag in front of me. Kind of a little something extra just in case. Since its in a bag with a tent, Optimus stove, and other camp gear, it looks as innocent as a small beat up sap stained machete can look. Its very sharp of course. Sometimes its my Tramontia, sometimes it's my Ontario 12 inch.

I have a friend who was a real dyed in the wool Jeep fanatic. He also liked to travel, but a rag top CJ is not the most secure thing in the world. He also left the guns home, and had to travel with "other" alternatives. Once, at the opposite end of the country in California, he and his better half were on the beach, and came back to the Jeep to find the whole rag top and windshield assembly gone. But they left his GI entrenching tool there among the stuff on the floor. Thier bags had been gone through, but they had nothing of great value in them. A jacket was missing, and a pair of boots. Lenny was glad he had left his .357 home.

Travel can present it's own problems, depending on what kind of vehicle you choose. Under some conditions, a firearm can present a problem just by being there.
 
you'd think a smart criminal wouldnt be using a stolen gun on the people they stole it from
 
Right again as usual Carl.
I always try to carry a gun or two , couple of knives , ,the dog. The wife is a big help and can take care of her self. A recent set back, has caused my old neck injury to cause my left arm to become numb and somewhat useless. Use a lot of perscribed narcs and steroids for pain. Cant drive, or ride M/C Probrably need more surgery. Im more careful , but even more aware and dependent on my cane.
Carry a cross pen also.
Any other sugesstions?
Thanks, Brother
Doc
 
Depends on where you're going and what you're doing.

People will always retain the right to be ignorant, but by and large police recognize that prepared folks carry tools.

Being in the car is justification enough (by reasonable human standards, caveat driver) for the shovel, the tire iron, the flashlight, wrenches, that really long screwdriver..

Helps if you drive an old beater too :)
 
I like the presentation and that you factor in looking 'innocent enough'. I have a secure vehicle and live and work where I'm not particularly paranoid that my S&W .40 will get stolen out of the vehicle, but it's good to take into consideration these things for travel. I also am an all around hoplophile, generally keeping a cheap but sharp katana and a double bladed axe in my Blazer kit. For those in non right-to-carry states who like to camp and roam, what about a bow and arrows? I know for scooters and motorcycles that's a bit much, but would you get hassled by the po-lice in one of those police states? It might sound silly to some, but I know first hand how effectively lethal a bow is, being an archery hunter. I know some people might think it's not handy enough and quick enough to deploy, but in some situations, like in a tent with you, it could serve well.:cool:
 
young and dumb ,

not a good idea, taking too many narcotics for pain, and steroids for inflamation.
Wife has guns hidden and truck is disabbled by friends.
Can only rely on cane or knife, and dog- and big ugly mean friends.
Hope to have surgery soon and get back to normal
but thanks for thinking of me.
 
I live in maryland to I'm pretty dang gone sure we can have a CCW...

There is a CCW, but it is nearly impossible to obtain. I believe you need a valid threat against your life, along with the perp's name, age, address, phone number, SSN, and birth certificate.
 
Although North Carolina does have shall-issue concealed carry, I cannot carry a firearm due to my age (I'm 15)
So, I've gotten used to the idea of traveling sans firearms, and living that way, as well.
On a daily basis, when I actually do carry knives, I carry about three. I usually carry a Classic on my keyring, which is darned useful. There'll probably be a traditional knife, which I use to cut stuff in public when whipping out the third knife, a locking folder that can be opened with one hand, would be out of place.
I'm not a trained knife fighter, but I know how to cut and stab. Pointy end goes into other man. It's a last resort, but a resort nonetheless. I'd rather kick or punch or tackle, but I'd use that third knife in a pinch.
In school, I can't even carry a knife. I can however carry a 30-pound backpack, with a full Sigg bottle, and a harcover book. Ever been hit in a joint or pressure point with the corner of a harcover book. No, it's not very pleasant.
When traveling, my normal setup is an SAK, which isn't really a weapon, an my Sigg bottle, which could deal out a world of hurt. If I'm in the American heartland, where knives are not frowned upon, I'd add a larger locking knife. But in urban centers and places like California, the red-handled SAK is as friendly as you can get.
(By the by, an SAK is probably the most people friendly knife around. I took one on my recent class trip, and I was using it almost constantly, with other people [including some hoplophobic but attractive girls] asking to borrow it.)
 
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