Treason!?!?!

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I seriously hope you aren't making the incinuation that IED's are simply a harmless mode of political protest.

Never said it was. It sounds like it was arson and vandalism, as I said. It's not treason, and those of you who would make it treasonous to discourage recruitment in the military are courting the darkest evil known to man. An evil which would certainly turn on you were it to be unleashed.

Whether there were true explosives used or not I can't tell from the article. Gasoline poured on flame is an accelerant, not an explosive. Those of us who own smokeless powder "stockpiles" should be particularly careful before making allegations regarding IED's or "explosives."
 
Yeah, but Cos...

We aren't talking about a guy storing materials. We are talking about a guy tossing it with a fuse of some sort on it.

The intent was pretty straightforward.

-- John
 
"those of you who would make it treasonous to discourage recruitment in the military are courting the darkest evil known to man."

I don't think discouraging military service is the issue I think it's the method by which the indiviual is attempting to discourage it. Demonstrations and such are fine, but attemting to destroy a recruitment center is a little different.
 
Yeah, it's arson, reckless endangerment and the like. It's not protected expression. But to equate it with TREASON is histrionic, chest-thumping nonsense.
 
"those of you who would make it treasonous to discourage recruitment in the military are courting the darkest evil known to man."


I don't see it courting "the darkest evil known to man."

I don't believe anyone should have the right to dissuade me from going into a house of worship of my choice. I don't believe anyone should be allowed to block my way into a legal business I chose to buy from.

And I don't believe anyone should be able to stand in my way if I chose to join the Armed Forces.

You see... it isn't about the recruiting. There isn't a freaking draft. People are walking in there on their own volition-- making a personal choice.

That hardly consitutes the darkest evil known to man...


-- John
 
When I lived in Chile, we had one of these what are now called IEDs explode across the street (70 yards) from our home. Even with a tall concrete fence around the property, it shook the whole house. I was in the kitchen pouring hot water to make a beverage...nearly wet myself. Turns out in that case someone had used a discarded automobile muffler.

There is a ton more info, but in the interest of not encouraging, nor providing "how-to" information, I'll stop here. I happened to be the unwitting witness to the device having been placed there...saw the whole event. Heck of it was, given how they set the process up, they all looked to be doing the darned most natural engagement imaginable. A few hours later, kabooomie.
 
Bloomberg had harsh words for the person or people who planted the explosives.

OH MY GOD, Bloomberg really does believe we should just use harsh language!
I just hope he didn't also wag his finger at them. That would just be over the top, and possibly both cruel and inhumane.

But seriously, I think Cosmoline has taken the level-headed position here. People are far too quick to toss around the "T" word, and usually with little understanding of its legal meaning and ramifications.
 
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People are far to quick to toss around the "T" word, and usually with little understanding of its legal meaning and ramifications.

Exactly. Especially when it comes to opposition to the military, people make all sorts of accusations.

The idiot who did this should most definitely go to jail and stay there for a good long time. But this was not treason and some of you are going down a dangerous road.
 
it also depends on the fusing mechanism, if it were a time delay that went off early, then the guy is also looking attempted murder and possibly some sort of federal charge for attacking the US military in a time of war
 
Right, not treason until specifically identified with all the correct factors. The same goes for it being a terroristic act. It isn't terrorism unless performed for some sort of political, social, or religous reasons (unknown) against non-military targets (criterion met). Maybe it is illegal use of explosives. Maybe it is attempted murder.

A lot of what determines the type of crime is the intent/circumstances.
 
It is increasingly aparent that a large portion of the gun community has some very unrealistic views about certain particular government agencies. Any which way you cut it there is a nest of traitors up in D.C. that seriously can be and should be brought to trial on charges of treason. Any one of them is a million billion times more of a real threat than the stupid after hours recruitment center arsonist. I guess some forms of patriotism just require a whole lot less effort than other forms of patriotism.
 
Cos,

I'm going to bet you a dollar, it wasn't an anti-war thing. It was a disgruntled candidate who was turned down for enlistment. The bomb he used is a twist on the improvised claymore mine that was in the improvised munitions handbook. He was a wanna-be, tried to enlist, maybe got the runaround a couple of times, so he deliberately sent a related message at the time of day he knew no one would get hurt.

It might be terrorism, but not on the scale which would warrant a death-penalty charge.
 
you guys have it all wrong, its not the bicycles fault. its those darn hooded sweatshirts! BAN ALL HOODIES! they work better than any security camera!
 
Channel 4 Update

Channel 4 News in DC just had a blurb that mentioned that "letters and videotape" about the incident were mailed to Capitol Hill, the short video I saw showed people walking along that stretch, before any explosion. Guess more details to come on the 11 o'clock news...
 
Channel 4 News at 11...

Not that she understands the definitions - but DC Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton (part of the Committee on Homeland Security) just said on the 11 o'clock news that "It shows us that terrorism can hit us from inside our country as well as outside."

Guess several Democrats on Capitol Hill got letters postmarked in California at the end of february, showing pics of the recruiting station and saying "we did it."
 
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It is increasingly aparent that a large portion of the gun community has some very unrealistic views about certain particular government agencies. Any which way you cut it there is a nest of traitors up in D.C. that seriously can be and should be brought to trial on charges of treason. Any one of them is a million billion times more of a real threat than the stupid after hours recruitment center arsonist. I guess some forms of patriotism just require a whole lot less effort than other forms of patriotism.

Well said, sir.

It brings to mind the nationalism so prevalent during WWI, when Schenk was arrested for distributing pamphlets discouraging people from enlisting in the Army.

From the insane Espionage Act of 1917: "Whoever, when the United States is at war, shall willfully utter, print, write or publish any disloyal, profane scurrilous, or abusive language about the form of government of the United States…(the war, the flag, the military, the navy, enlistments, buying bonds, uniforms, etc,)…in contempt, scorn, contumely, or disrepute, or …intended to incite, provoke or encourage resistance to the United States, or to promote the cause of the enemy shall be punished by…a $10,000 fine or imprisonment up to 20 years."

State-worship at its finest, and reminiscent of the mob insanity that enabled Lincoln's imprisonment of Northern newspaper editors who dared to criticize the intention and execution of his war against the South.

-Sans Authoritas
 
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Cosmoline is correct in the matter in my opinion.

The accusation of treason is one that should be used sparingly and with 100% proof.

This guy will get caught, have his day in court, and he will rightfully go to jail for a long time. What he did was horrible and he shall pay.
 
Interesting....the liberal line of thought has been that banning guns is the answer to violent crime.

One of the arguments against that idea has been that if guns are gone then everyone will just move down the scale to knives and swords...

And yet, some jerko apparently didn't get the memo and moved up the scale to use an "explosive/IED/fire/device that went boom", whatever you want to call it.

I'm thinking "There goes that theory."


On a serious note, I hope this doesn't start some crazy wave of violence in the US. Living with it over in the sandbox is one thing but if it happens here...most people don't even have a clue about daily life with a threat like that, let alone where that would lead us as a country.
 
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