Trust SBR can't go across State lines?

[Ryanxia]

I hate to start threads based on unsubstantiated rumors but a friend of mine who is a police officer and just got his Trust, told me that another officer wanting to take an out of state shooting course filed his request to transport his SBR across state lines and was denied by the ATF stating he could not do that if it belonged to a Trust (as opposed to an individual).

Has anyone ever heard of such a thing?

I told him I was pretty confident that was not the case but that I'd check. I'm running with the assumption that he is either the Grantor or Trustee, otherwise he couldn't possess it in the first place. I did a few searches online but I didn't get anywhere. Any insight is appreciated.

 

[yugorpk]

Just got an approved 5320.20 back today. Three SBR's on a trust. No problem. The 5320.20 has to be worded properly. Ive had them return disapproved because I didnt put "trustee" after the signature.

Remember the trust is the owner. That name of the trust goes on line 1 (Full Name ) not the name of the trustee. The signature of the trustee goes on line #12 with "Trustee" after it. Fill it out any other way and it gets rejected.

Keep in mind that the ATF is only accepting 5320.20's filled out for ONE location each. That ( other locations in the state ) crap isnt flying by any more.

Ive had them return disapproved because the examiner was dumb or having a bad day and couldnt figure out that I actually did fill the form out correctly. Same silly note that the trust owns the SBR and not the individual blah, blah. Resubmitted it EXACTLY the same way and it came back approved.

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

Yugorpk covered it pretty well. ATF has approved multiple 5320.20 forms for me for NFA items on a trust without comment.

 

[pjeski]

I've had three 5320.20s approved for items on two separate trusts.

Also, you can have trustees/beneficiaries on other states and they can posses the trust's NFA items (assuming they are legal in that state).

So yeah, doesn't sound legit to me.

 

[Arizona_Mike]

I hate to start threads based on unsubstantiated rumors but a friend of mine who is a police officer and just got his Trust, told me that another officer wanting to take an out of state shooting course filed his request to transport his SBR across state lines and was denied by the ATF stating he could not do that if it belonged to a Trust (as opposed to an individual).

Has anyone ever heard of such a thing?

I told him I was pretty confident that was not the case but that I'd check. I'm running with the assumption that he is either the Grantor or Trustee, otherwise he couldn't possess it in the first place. I did a few searches online but I didn't get anywhere. Any insight is appreciated.

Mindless gossip. I've had many Trust 5320.20s approved for MG, SBR, SBS (and even "rubber stamps" for silencers which don't legally need a 5320.20).

Mike

 

[zerobarrier]

I hope that's not true because I am planning on moving to TX and I have a few SBR's and suppressors.

 

[yugorpk]

I got a call from the ATF today concerning one 5320.20 I had in for a very rural area I shoot at. I put the GPS coordinates like I have done on other approved 5320.20's I have. The examiner called to let me know it had to be a physical address. I told her it had no address other than the GPS coordinates. She asked her supervisor and the supervisor asked her if I could just put any address since once I'm in that state it didnt matter what was on the form. I told her that the last guy I talked to told me I couldnt do that and thatI had to have a 5320.20 for each address. She told me they have no real sayso in what happens once I am in the state I have approval for and that one form is good enough.

This gets old.

 

[il.bill]

Across state lines

I may have missed something, but I do not see where the OP's question about crossing state lines with a Trust SBR has been answered directly by any of the above posts. Post #4 sort of addresses it, but is there no direct answer?

 

[pjeski]

I think you may have missed something. We are all referring to 5320.20s for taking our NFA items out of state. You most certainly can take a trust owned SBR or any other NFA item out of your own state to any other state where it is legal.

 

[yugorpk]

I may have missed something, but I do not see where the OP's question about crossing state lines with a Trust SBR has been answered directly by any of the above posts. Post #4 sort of addresses it, but is there no direct answer?

What do you think we were talking about? The 5320.20 is the form you fill out and send to the ATF to get approved before leaving the owners state. In the case of a trust owned SBR the Trustee files a 5320.20 with the ATF with the trust listed as the registered owner . The Trustee must sign the doc as "trustee" or it will get rejected. Its a careful word play. 5320.20's have a few other vagaries that we were also discussing.

 

[il.bill]

These things are farther over my head than I thought and I am just watching from the sidelines, trying to understand.

Thanks! I appreciate your patience.

 

[yugorpk]

Its a lot easier than it sounds. The way I figure it if you can do your own somewhat complicated taxes with off the shelf software you can build your own trust with off the shelf software and deal with the relatively simple paperwork to feed and maintain your habit. If taxes are over your head see a lawyer about your trust and such.

 

[Arizona_Mike]

I'm going to guess that the originator of the rumor filled out the himself as the owner or the trust as the owner but signed as himself and not as a trustee and is misunderstanding the reason for the rejection.

Mike

 

[yugorpk]

I know its a typo but for clarification the trust IS the owner. Thats what goes in Boz 1 in the Full Name section. "blah blah Trust" or whatever its named. Your name does got go there unless your name is the same as the trusts name.

#12 on the form gets the trustees signature with (Trustee) written afterwards.


5320.20 download

 

[Ryanxia]

Thanks guys. I was pretty sure it was some malarky but had to check. I told him that likely his friend filled out the form incorrectly or happened to get an agent that was in error.

And of course doing a search for it didn't give any results that specifically pertained to Trusts.

Thanks again.