Best of luckKinda, yes... but the 300 BLK AR that appeals to me is WAY more expensive.
And with 300 BLK bolt guns its either the Ruger which is a little flimsy in places, or really expensive options from semi custom shops like Christensen.
I'm admittedly biased towards nicer guns, my deer rifle is a custom 280 Ackley that was north of $5k after scope and all...my AR's are some of the nicer versions as well...a Baer 1911... etc, etc.
My son had a Ruger American in 7mm-08, it shot well enough, he took deer with it... but neither of us every really "liked" it... it was cheap, and it felt cheap if that makes sense.
It seems there's really no middle of the road priced guns any more... they're either cheap or expensive...I handled a Sig Rattler in 300BLK yesterday, came with a 5.56 upper as well, top quality suppressor, not quite stock (gone through by a very good builder and tweaked a bit here and there)....$4,650 was his asking price.
Wilson Combat has some nice options for $2,400 and up...
They're nice... but a little too nice for what I'm after this time.
Trying to decide what to get for a suppressed rifle/carbine
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Best of luck
greyling22
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My 357 lever gun is my favorite host. Shoot subs through it and enjoy.
FL-NC
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A 22 isn't good for much bigger than a possum or rabbit. Neither is a 9mm TBH. A 300 BLK is good for deer/hogs. I have the Ruger American ranch and I really like it.
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Not the point. I want THAT specific thing. And yes if I had six figures laying around doing nothing I could buy the real thing, but I don't. Next closest thing would be to just SBR it and have something on its nose that "looks" the part. That will likely be step one...if that is even possible....on that day, who knows what LAWS the ATF will come up with tomorrow. Double up on the ears I guess if I shoot the thing. Next step would be a correct format silencer, again not for the function of the thing, but I want to hold and use that rifle. As close as I can get with my means is a semi SBR with a correct format can.
It is just a ME thing, and as this will just be a toy.....damn it I want my toy like I want my toy
If you're killing varments beyond 20 yards, there are now several bolt action rifles chambered in 300 ACC that are threaded for a suppressor.
The Ruger immediately comes to mind.
If you already have an AR, a .300 ACC upper leaps to mind.
Since you're going to be purchasing a suppressor the cost of ammunition is going to be a minor consideration after you spend some time in NFA forum looking at what suppressor to buy (do your research on such an investment).
BTW, the other thing that I do with my 30 cal can is use a mounting adapter for .22 and .223. Is it less than optimal in sub 30 cal, certainly, but it does cut the noise down considerably so that single layer ear pro is all that's needed for the .223 (and none needed for .22lr subs).
CraigC
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I'm not going to be any help whatsoever. I will say this, nothing is as fun with a suppressor as a .22LR. Rifle or pistol, they are an absolute blast to shoot and the only thing I'll shoot without earpro.
Apart from that, the .300 is an obvious choice because it works well with subs or supers and you can hunt with either. First AR I built was a .300 but the barrel is now on this Springfield Saint. I have two .300 AR's, a Ruger Ranch and a 10" Whisper barrel for the Contender.
Took this nice buck a few years ago with the Ruger Ranch and the Hornady 190gr Sub-X.
A 9mm carbine or braced pistol is also a lot of fun, though limited in utility. I use the same can on this Scorpion. Standard 147gr loads for subs.
Apart from that, the .300 is an obvious choice because it works well with subs or supers and you can hunt with either. First AR I built was a .300 but the barrel is now on this Springfield Saint. I have two .300 AR's, a Ruger Ranch and a 10" Whisper barrel for the Contender.
Took this nice buck a few years ago with the Ruger Ranch and the Hornady 190gr Sub-X.
A 9mm carbine or braced pistol is also a lot of fun, though limited in utility. I use the same can on this Scorpion. Standard 147gr loads for subs.
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IMO ditch the idea of hunting with subsonics. Hunting with subsonics is a silly and unethical trend.
You are making it more complicated that it is. Buy a .223 rifle and put a can on it. Done and done. Unless you are a sneaky sneaky operator those extra db going from sub to super don't make a lick of difference but the performace on target will.
You are making it more complicated that it is. Buy a .223 rifle and put a can on it. Done and done. Unless you are a sneaky sneaky operator those extra db going from sub to super don't make a lick of difference but the performace on target will.
CraigC
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No it isn't. It works fine, within its effective range. Little different from hunting with a handgun.
Putting a can on a 5.56 only reduces 'some' of the muzzle blast. You still get the sonic crack and you still REALLY need hearing protection to shoot it. Has nothing to do with being a "super sneaky operator" and everything to do with saving your hearing and having fun while doing it.
Ridgerunner665
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On the topic of hunting with subsonic ammo with the 300 BLK.
I've put a good bit of meat in the freezer with a 45acp handgun.....230 grain bullets at 800 or so fps.
Given that, I believe the 300 is fine within its limits.
I've put a good bit of meat in the freezer with a 45acp handgun.....230 grain bullets at 800 or so fps.
Given that, I believe the 300 is fine within its limits.
jmt1271
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I really wouldn't feel like a good enabler without suggesting ALL 3 LOL.
But to be honest with a 300BO and a 22LR I really find little use for a 9mm carbine.
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Ruger American Ranch in 300 BO. Thing is stupid quiet with Subs and a can. I also have a 8 1/2” 300BO AR that is pretty quiet also. And you can use a 30 cal can on 5.56 also. I load subs with 11.5 grains of powder. That makes a lb last a while.
someguy2800
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I have all 3 with cans. I like 9mm because it offers a lot more punch than 22lr and you have a lot more options for bullets that are actually made to expand at subsonic velocities. A regular 147 grain HST or Gold Dot or pretty much any 147 defensive ammo will punch the ticket on small gave very effectively and are very cheap compared to expanding 300 blackout ammo. You can get 300 blackout bullets that will expand at subsonic velocities too of course but they are a lot more expensive. As for accuracy I would say thats a wash between the 3. My 9mm shoots 3" at 100 yards so about the same as the other 2. 300 blackout has the highest potential for accuracy, but in my experience that accuracy potential is hard to tap when shooting subsonics.
One thing with a 9mm is you won't get the full muffling affect of the suppressor in a straight blowback gun, so 9mm will be the loudest of the 3 in a 16" barrel unless you get a delayed blowback of some sort.
One thing with a 9mm is you won't get the full muffling affect of the suppressor in a straight blowback gun, so 9mm will be the loudest of the 3 in a 16" barrel unless you get a delayed blowback of some sort.
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I agree with the 2 premises that 9mm is more powerful than 22 and it's cheaper than 300. My problem is what target exists in that window that requires a high volume of rounds?
someguy2800
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You don't shoot for fun too? 9mm offers very cheap plinking fun compared to 300 blackout, especially if someone doesn't reload. I shoot cast powercoated handloads as well as 150 federal syntech in mine that I bought a few cases of at like $12/50 and I have a bunch of 50 round boxes of 147 HST's that were like $25/50 on sale. I've loaded cheap cast bullets in 300 blackout too, but its still close to double the cost for the bullets and powder and my cast 300 blackout loads were never any more accurate than my 9mm so I decided for me it wasn't worth the effort compared to buying or reloading 9mm. Shooting steel and pests around the yard I can't really tell the difference between the two but 9mm is just easier to feed and the smiles per dollar are unmatched except maybe a 22.
Another thing I've noticed is the heavy 300 blackout bullets are really bouncy, especially the 200+ grain cast bullets. If they are not shot pretty much square into a dirt backstop they ricocet all over the place which I don't really notice shooting 9mm, especially hollow points. Maybe the expanding 300 bullets don't do that. I havn't played with them much.
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"You don't shoot for fun too? .......... a 22."
You answered your own question not mine.
What target exists in the window where a 22 isn't enough but a 9mm is and is in a quantity that would justify a real cost savings on ammo over 300 blackout.
"You don't shoot for fun too? .......... a 22."
You answered your own question not mine.
What target exists in the window where a 22 isn't enough but a 9mm is and is in a quantity that would justify a real cost savings on ammo over 300 blackout.
someguy2800
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If I wanted to plink with a 22 I would because I have one of those with a can too, but the 9mm and 300 are more fun. I did answer your question and the answer is steel plates on my range because I use it for that in addition to medium size critters around my farm.
Welp that's my problem I don't, different strokes and all.
I had a HiPoint carbine and a braced PC9 and just never warmed up to what felt like a 1/2 step up. I strongly contemplated a 9mm upper for my 300 Blackout SBR for "cheaper plinking" but ultimately ended up building another 22 upper.
dogtown tom
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Feral hogs.
I've seen 20+ at a feeder.
I don't use subsonic .300 Blackout. It isn't as effective and sound mitigation is just fine. I've never seen anyone shoot hogs with 9x19.
You would buy a 9mm carbine to hunt feral hogs?
dogtown tom
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No. 300 Blackout for me.
But you think a 9mm would be good for them, since it's cheaper to shoot than 300BO?
dogtown tom
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Absolutely not.
Cheaper doesn't mean better performance and that performance gap is tremendous.
You could machine gun hogs with .22LR, but that is inhumane IMO.
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Lonestar Boars uses full auto or binary (can't tell) 9mm Tracers on hogs down in Texas.
Hickory Flat Boars 9mm tracers. #hoghunting
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