TSA opened my gun case

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My last experience with the TSA convinced me that a government of the people, by the people and for the people is a days-gone-by ideology. In short, the new and horridly intrusive federal laws have taken Uncle Sam to Uncle Pervie. "He" has the right to look inside of your bagage, and even inside of your clothes; Hell, he even has the right to grope your body...cause it ain't yours...it's for safety. Does it make me sick?! You tell me! Thanks, I'll drive.

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what do you want opened?I can unlock anything including safes.there are key sets you can buy for under $10 that will open any luggage lock I have them.and picks for cylinder locks.even combo locks can be opened.padlocks can be popped and relocked without damage.

I hope you are a licensed locksmith in South Carolina, otherwise you're currently in violation of several laws.
 
Do you HAVE to use a "TSA-compliant" lock on a rifle case?

If you -don't- use a TSA compliant lock, and they want in, they'll just cut off what ever you do have on it anyway.

I remember flying commercial (use to travel -a lot- for a living, not any more) just a few weeks after 9/11. We were told then NOT to use cable ties (you know, the little plastic zip things you have to cut) to close/lock our bags. I had always used simple twist ties anyway, as I figured that anyone that wanted into my soft sided bags bad enough would just cut them open anyway.

So now I get to my destination and ***, ALL of my bags are shut with cable ties! And they are yanked down SOOOOO tight you can't get anything in under them to cut them off! Oh, I -could- use nail clippers, but they are CABLE TIED inside my *&(%%(# bag!

Go to the front desk to see what I can get to open my bag. No knife, no nail clippers, close they can come is a pair of (not real sharp) scissors. Since I can't get in under the tie to cut it, I have to try to use them like a knife.

You know where this is going, don't you?

When the blade slips against the TSA supplied plastic, it slices my hand open to the point where I need five stitches to close the wound, and the hotel lobby is a bloody mess.

Once I do get my bags open, there is the little note from our friends at the TSA ....
 
We recommend that you provide the key or combination to the security officer if he or she needs to open the container. You should remain present during screening to take the key back after the container is cleared

I like how they recommended people break federal aviation law.
 
I don't belong to the site but some man on leverguns.com posted about HIS latest experience with these jokers = TSA.

Catherine
 
They Have The "Right" To Look?

Did someone say "they have the right" in a post above?

Tom Gresham and a guest of his on Gun Talk last week made an execellent point, during a discussion of Heller.

Government doesn't have rights.

They have power. They have certain authority.

They don't have rights.

And the power and authority they DO have derives from us.

Just a note for your future thinking.
 
TSA is about 10% mentally challanged,,,,

I have been traveling with weapons cases for the last few years. About 10% of the time the TSA nazi starts fondling, handling or as in the case of the Atlanta airport STEALING my guns.

Their own regulations are clear, sadly they never seem to read them and very few of them are properly trained. The ones who insist on doing the most digging through the gun cases the hardest are typically bitter women or minorities. The TSA is not supposed to be handling guns, that is the airlines job.

Your weapons are approved for shipment by the airline, not the TSA. The airline decides if your weapons are unloaded and properly packed for shipping. The TSA is supposed to satisify themselves by inspecting the case in your presence and before you lock it. It is supposed to be locked with a lock that they cannot enter with their keys.

You can ship 2 ozs. of oil or cleaning solution in a leak proof container. When they are being bastards they call this hazmat and refuse to allow you to ship it. This is in their regs also.

Sadly, there appears to be nothing you can do if the luggage inspector tries to steal your luggage. As far as I can tell from the few times they have gotten strange with my guns and cases, nobody in management for TSA cares in the least if you have a problem.

I printed and laminated a copy of their own guidelines and keep it in the guncase. In EVERY instance where a TSA slug has started doing something strange to my guns, they refused to read their own guidelines and got mad when I knew them.

Good luck dealing with them.
 
I'm a former road warrior who now is not traveling as much. I am gobsmacked that ANYONE would trust TSA with their firearms. Since 9/11 I've had a Braun electric razor stolen from my luggage and the bags sent to Cabo San Lucas (I was going to Chicago). On another flight, a notebook computer was stolen (I was taking two to a trade show - one carry-on and one checked) and my bags were re-routed to Acapulco (I was going to LA). Two different airlines -- both of which blamed TSA.

If I absolutely, positively have to check luggage, the only thing that goes in there is my clothes and shaving kit. Anything that runs on electricity or costs more than $100 goes carry-on, and I'll ship ahead anything that I can't carry easily. TSA and airline baggage handlers can safely be assumed to ALL be thieves. I haven't had occasion to travel with my pistol, but if I would definitely trust UPS or FedEX before I'd trust an airline/TSA.

YMMV, but I doubt it.
 
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Last time I flew Was just after 9/11. Was randomly selected for furhter screening at the TSA checkpoint, at the x-ray and at the boarding gate with boarding pass in hand. Seems very evident that they don't trust the screener before them. Why should I?

Last time I flew...will be just that.

...that is unless the steward at the plane door asks if I have a gun or knife and if I don't they offer one of my choice:D

So in other words....
 
I used to fly often with a 2 rifle case. Always kept spare locks inside in a zip-loc with a note saying please re lock with these if necessary, just to insure guns didn't end up falling out of the case if the locks were cut for inspection. The TSA personel who have checked my firearms were professional and courteous (and even a bit interested in a 458 Lott), it was the airline that sent my 2 rifles and a Glock to Canada ( I went to Baltimore).
 
Interesting. Just returned from a ten-day trip. I fly often, and always with guns. Is it a hassle? Only a few extra minutes on top of the already excruciatingly painful process that has become commercial air travel.

Funny story: in Detroit Metro Airport the other day, I tell the gal at the Delta counter, "I am declaring firearms." She tells another Delta agent, who goes over to another station about thirty feet down the counter to my left.

He then turns back to me and yells, "How many guns do you have?" Guy about ten feet away from me down the counter on my right perks right up, looks at me, and starts cracking up; I'm just shaking my head in disbelief. At this point, the twenty or so people behind me are just staring at me ... a couple crowd closer to the counter in an apparent attempt to get a look at the two handguns (SIG P-228 and S&W M-60, my travelin' companions) I'm showing the counter agent.

This is the deal: you simply show 'em to the counter folks, who make you sign the red/orange tag, then you gotta take that bag over to the TSA counter and have them run a swab test on/in your bag (almost as though they don't care so much about the firearms themselves). At Sea-Tac, the swab test showed positive, so a supervisor got called and my bag was completely ransacked until it was determined that the boots in my bag had the explosive residue on 'em (yep, I'd worn 'em to a range and not just a gun range).

Really, it does suck, but it's the price we're paying to travel w/guns, and it's normally only a few extra minutes of one's time, so get to the airport 3 hours early ...

Finally, one of the airline guys at Detroit told me that they'd had TWO "unloaded" guns discharged in the terminal recently -- and, yep -- they were cops (told to me in a somewhat horrified tone of voice).
 
In no particular order:

Folks, airport and airline personnel, making less in many instances than TSA personnel, have far more access to your belongings than the TSA personnel. If you're going to make assumptions on who has the most access to your belongings and the most to gain from stealing them, at least assume in the right direction. Scratch that, see below.

Report infractions, thefts, and complaints in writing. Especially the thefts. Report them to the appropriate entities: the airlines, the airports, the local police, and the TSA.

Be aware everyone will shift blame. Bureaucratically an easy thing, in that you cannot prove where anything occurred or by whom. Carry on, non the less. This is perhaps especially true of the local police, who will note that their jurisdiction cannot be proven. You'll arguably have more luck on the departure end of things, but the root word is "argue." And without a police report... Suffice it to say, police reports are helpful.

When you report it, do not report that, "the TSA stole something!" The TSA didn't steal anything. And even if a TSA employee did, you do not know that. You know that something is missing, and are assuming that theft is involved. You have no idea who stole it, assuming that it was theft. Just the facts... It will help you, not hinder you, to self-edit out the assumptions. The bureaucratic shuffle of responsibility loves when people make assumptions. Don't help them ignore you. Don't assume.

Unfortunately, citing TSA rules and regs to the TSA is an exercise in futility. They do not know them, by design. There's a book on hand, though... No, you may not see it. Most of them may not, either. The higher in rank, the more access to the rules. Again by design.

If you are speaking to TSA personnel in uniform, you are likely not speaking to someone with the authority to resolve your complaint; or a complete enough understanding of the rules - see above.

But... things are getting better. Slowly. Hopefully surely. In large part to interaction with federal officers, who in being trained to fly armed, have come head to head on numerous occasions with TSA personnel out of their depth and unaware of it; unaware even of their own rules, regulations, authorities, where they begin and end, etc. But that is another story.

TSA personnel aren't the only personnel at an airport with access to master keys, bolt cutters, tools, etc. They aren't even the only ones who are supposed to have access to them.

And if your stuff was stolen flying from MEXICO into the States... it is improbable that TSA, or any other US personnel, were involved.

I agree the whole thing is frustrating. For the money, the general public had better be convinced of their safety, because if they aren't, then the bad guys aren't, and its been and remains an expensive house of cards.

Better a 1,000 more FAMs than the army of TSA personnel, whatever they call themselves these days.
 
Last time I just drove to Seattle. It's a long hard day (800 miles) but then I have my own car while I'm there and can take what I want with me. ;)

The mileage reimbursement costs the company about what air fare and car rental would have, and the gas doesn't cost me anywhere near that much.

Anyway, by the time my wife drives me an hour and a half to the airport, I wait two hours to depart, fly to Portland, wait there a while, fly to Seattle, get my luggage, rent a car, and drive the worst 30 miles of the whole trip to Everett, it doesn't take all that much longer to drive the whole way :rolleyes:
 
what do you want opened?I can unlock anything including safes.there are key sets you can buy for under $10 that will open any luggage lock I have them.and picks for cylinder locks.even combo locks can be opened.padlocks can be popped and relocked without damage.
The TSA isn't this creative. They just break off the lock or worse, the lock tabs on your case. You don't see them do it, you have no recourse, they don't care what you think.
Now, don't you feel safer?
 
The TSA isn't this creative. They just break off the lock or worse, the lock tabs on your case. You don't see them do it, you have no recourse, they don't care what you think.
Now, don't you feel safer?

Same trip I mentioned above where my luggage was re-locked with twist ties ....

I had a little metal flip open case that I used to carry CD-ROMS in. (I do computer consulting/support for a living, go figure I'd travel with CD-ROMS)

Well, apparently that combo REALLY pissed somebody off (likely the same a**h*le with the cable ties) because each and every one of the individual leaves in the case that held the cd's were ripped out. All stuffed neatly back in the case, but all ripped out. $35 bucks down the sh**ter ... thanks TSA!
 
Ive never had a problem and Ive flown ~4 times from California to JFK with longarms and pistols since 2001. Usually TSA will come over and I will watch them inspect the case from a distance as they run it through the xray machine.

I do have one interesting story:

One time as I was checking my luggage at JFK and declaring a firearm, I suppose the TSA was busy so they had 3 NYPD (or Port Authority) cops show up. They were courteous and asked for me to open my case on the floor in front of the check-in desk and line of people! ..I opened the case showed them (handling the weapons myself) my unloaded shotgun, rifle and 1911 (keeping them all low to the floor and as low key as possible) and they nodded, I locked it up, it went on the plane and off I went.
 
Sometimes you just gotta play by the rules or sit out the game. Accept and be prepared for the rules involved with airline flights/baggage/security or find an alternative mode of transportation.
 
If you own your own aircraft you dont have to deal with the tsa --you call the FBO and tell them to have your aircraft at the gate fueled and tell them what time you want a deice.
arrive do a preflight check ,,call up ground + departure and get taxi clearance and go- File a flight plan ahead of time - No problem!
 
My case had TSA compliant locks on it. Then I added combination locks that the TSA couldn't get into. According to the rules as I read them two months ago they could cut the locks off ONLY after they were unsuccessful contacting you in a reasonable manner. I put labels with my name and cell phone number on them clearly indicating that for access to my case they were to call my cell phone. I placed the labels across the seams in the case so there was no way they could open my case and claim not to have seen the notice. For added fun I added some tamper resistant security seals on the case courtesy of my former employer. There was no way they were getting into my case without me knowing about it and no excuse for not contacting me prior to search as required by their regs.

Call me crazy but I don't like people touching my stuff without me present even if it is the .gov!:scrutiny:
 
boy, thats nice, they open your gun case, shoot someone (like a fellow worker), return it to the case, and years later you get slammed for murder. not very likely, but it could happen. and since it is your gun, and the balistics match, and you were in the vacinity, and all the witnesses have long forgotten everything by then. you would just be S.O.L. if i were you, i would put that little souveneer they left you in a very safe place! all you have to do is provide reasonable doubt. yes, i am paranoid. but 20+ years in the pen does not sound very fun to me.
 
I've only flown twice since 9/11 and had no trouble either time. I went from Boston to San Antonio in February and it only took a few minutes at check in both times to have the gun checked by TSA (I use a lock box that looks like a dictionary and keep the key). I flew from Bangor to Ft Walton Beach a couple of weeks ago and TSA didn't even bother to check it in Bangor beyond watching me put the tag in the suitcase and in Florida they didn't even do that! I was checked in electronically and given the tag to sign and put in with the lockbox on my own. TSA never even looked at it.

Upon arrival each time my gear has been untouched.
 
If you own your own aircraft you dont have to deal with the tsa --you call the FBO and tell them to have your aircraft at the gate fueled and tell them what time you want a deice.
arrive do a preflight check ,,call up ground + departure and get taxi clearance and go- File a flight plan ahead of time - No problem!

Yepper .. I love Air Mooney!
 
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