Tulsi talking 2A??

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Anybody check out Tulsi's speech about leaving the D party?

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She has a whole section about protecting 2A rights... and specifically states:
  • 2A is for self protection and includes protecting against tyrannical gubment
  • 2A is just as important as free speech or any other right.
  • 2A is a "God given" right, and politicos have no business trying to limit it.
She's very articulate and wraps up citing "shall not be infringed".

I'm not quite sure what to make of this, as she had a horrible 2A voting record while a congresswoman representing Hawaii. Is this a change of heart? or just political pandering?

I'm not trying to sneak in a blue vs. red political spat... but wondering if the mods will allow a discussion about Tulsi's 2A record and how to view such "conversions"

In my mind, conversions are possible, can be genuine, and should be welcomed.... but... I would expect one to publicly recant of previous anti-2A views and votes. In my book it's not OK to flip and yet claim you've always been right.

Skip to minute 15:03 if you want to skip the non 2A talking points.
 
SSN Vet said:
Anybody check out Tulsi's speech about leaving the D party?

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She has a whole section about protecting 2A rights... and specifically states:
  • 2A is for self protection and includes protecting against tyrannical gubment
  • 2A is just as important as free speech or any other right.
  • 2A is a "God given" right, and politicos have no business trying to limit it.
She's very articulate and wraps up citing "shall not be infringed".

I'm not quite sure what to make of this, as she had a horrible 2A voting record while a congresswoman representing Hawaii. Is this a change of heart? or just political pandering?

I'm not trying to sneak in a blue vs. red political spat... but wondering if the mods will allow a discussion about Tulsi's 2A record and how to view such "conversions"

In my mind, conversions are possible, can be genuine, and should be welcomed.... but... I would expect one to publicly recant of previous anti-2A views and votes. In my book it's not OK to flip and yet claim you've always been right.

Skip to minute 15:03 if you want to skip the non 2A talking points.
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I watched the 2nd amendment part. I can’t argue with what she said. I would have liked to have seen her say she was incorrect in the past about her views. Let’s wait and see……..
 
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She's very articulate…
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and smart enough to know when it’s time to get off the boat.

I get pretty skeptical when people identify with words and action as an opponent, then start trying to buddy up to me.

Every soldier knows this simple fact: If you don't know your enemy, you will not be able to defeat him.

Tulsi Gabbard
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So do you think she has really changed mindset to another political ideal or does she just know people pretty well and it’s a tactical decision?

I say Trojan horse, but that’s just me.
 
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SSN Vet said:
Anybody check out Tulsi's speech about leaving the D party?

View attachment 1108318

She has a whole section about protecting 2A rights... and specifically states:
  • 2A is for self protection and includes protecting against tyrannical gubment
  • 2A is just as important as free speech or any other right.
  • 2A is a "God given" right, and politicos have no business trying to limit it.
She's very articulate and wraps up citing "shall not be infringed".

I'm not quite sure what to make of this, as she had a horrible 2A voting record while a congresswoman representing Hawaii. Is this a change of heart? or just political pandering?
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I would like to believe they are sincere but, based on prior actions, I think "pandering".
YMMV
 
I'm not quite sure what to make of this, as she had a horrible 2A voting record while a congresswoman representing Hawaii. Is this a change of heart? or just political pandering?
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This is kind of political for THR. Politicians will change guns views when it suits them. Two NY A rated (Hochul and Gillibrand) went full on gun banners when they moved off their progun local venue. One fearless leader who was the greatest friend of the 2A caused a ban of something and told Nancy and Diane they could have what they want as fearless had no fear of some gun organization.
 
I've never met her and can't speak to her sincerity. I can tell you that living in the Chicago area until a year and a half ago I'm more than familiar with Democratic voters and have seen many leave the party. It's not that people changed their opinions, it's that the party has moved too far to the left and what they stand for now bears little resemblance to what it stood for in the past. I don't know if this is what happened to her, only that it's not that uncommon. Keeping this gun related, some of these former Democrats who never would have thought of owning a gun are now gun owners due to the spike in crime, which will get worse in Illinois after their no bail law goes into effect.
 
The thing a lot of people on both side suffer from is thinking everyone and every politician MUST be binary with each and every political issue. That is, if one votes Democrat, they MUST support each and every platform the DNC supports. If one votes Republican, they MUST support each and every issue the RNC supports.

The truth is, there are Democrat voters and politicians who support gun rights, but still vote Dem because they aren't one issue voters. There are Republican voters and politicians, Trump being one of them, who supports gun control. In the latter case for example, they might STILL vote Republican because other issues are more important to them like secure borders, etc.

This should be common sense, but people have become so tribal and partisan that it's hard for them to comprehend nowadays. With that said, I think Ms Gabbard could very well not support Trump (who is pro gun control), be a Democrat, and still support the 2A... Matter of fact, a lot of Democrat voters ALSO support the 2A and own firearms even though they still are Democrats.

I vote Republican, but I am even liberal on some issue.
 
It should also be noted that Telsi Gabbard has always be the baldheaded stepchild of the DNC and was publicly attacked by the left and the mainstream media before, during, and after her run for president because of some of her vocal right leaning views. She has also publicly come out as leaving the Democrat party. I believe her when she says she is pro gun. She ex military and actually owns and shoots firearms.

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How many so called pro gun rhinos ever served in the military or actually train and shoot firearms?
 
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Mk-211 said:
This should be common sense, but people have become so tribal and partisan that it's hard for them to comprehend nowadays.

I think many gun owners have a long memory when it comes to being screwed over by politicians from both sides!
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I don't know about that because most gun owners I know still love Trump, and they get amnesia about his history of full support for gun control, the vocal support he gave during his presidency, and the bad precedent he set with the BAFT that still haunts us to this day.
 
That's very true!

Should've ghosted him when he said "who's afraid of the NRA"! But the NRA welcomed him with open arms! And not just once!
 
She's just saying what she wants us to hear. Based upon her voting record she's fine with gun control and is against expanding gun rights. She has voted against congealed carry and for universal background checks.

I have no idea what she is trying to accomplish with this recent move, but I have a feeling most Republicans aren't going to fall for whatever the scheme is.
 
Tulsi Gabbard’s voting record in congress was consistently anti gun and anti 2A. She is on record stating that she supports a ban on AR style weapons. She is also a member of the WEF cult along with Dan Crenshaw. I don’t trust ANYTHING that comes out of her mouth. As Crenshaw has proved, serving in the military doesn’t mean you can trust them to uphold the Constitution. Just because she is physically attractive, don’t let your pee pee overrule you brain and common sense!
 
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We will see on the first time she votes on a gun bill. If she votes the right way or sticks it to us.
 
Styx said:
It should also be noted that Telsi Gabbard has always be the baldheaded stepchild of the DNC and was publicly attacked by the left and the mainstream media before, during, and after her run for president because of some of her vocal right leaning views. She has also publicly come out as leaving the Democrat party. I believe her when she says she is pro gun. She ex military and actually owns and shoots firearms.

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How many so called pro gun rhinos ever served in the military or actually train and shoot firearms?
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I hope your correct. I am not gonna hold my breath. The ex military has nothing to do with being pro 2A. I have known way too many of them that are not in favor your Second Amendment Rights.
 
Please, keep this focused to her statements on 2A and firearms ownership. Her previous voting record on the subject is fair game as well. Wider ranging general politics are off topic and will be deleted, and have already been deleted, as such.
 
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