Tumbler suggestions?

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918v said:
Prior to writing this, I consulted 2500 other 918v's and ran two double-blind studies back to back, to satisfy jcwit's sterility requirement:

If the lid cracks, and the motor burns out, then it looks like a POS and walks like POS.

I had a Midway tumbler and even after a decade and a half of problem-free use, I realized it was a POS when I bought my Dillon.

The Dillon bowl is .2" thick and so is the lid. It is built like a tank and the motor runs like a Swiss watch. That is what impresses me. It's like they spared no expense at creating this machine. It is like a pre-War Colt. Or a Redding press. Or a Neil Jones seater die

Now if you like a cheaper tumbler, fine. But in this case, cheaper is not best.
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It is interesting, Dillon only guarantees the motor for 1 year. That is no better than a Berry Mfg tumbler that costs half as much for a similar sized unit.

Dillon must put a volatile agent in their paint that brainwashes their customers. Since I bought an SDB, every time i pass the press I get an urge to trash all my other reloading equipment.:)

Companies and designers spend fortunes to remove vibration from their equipment because it ultimately tears it apart. Here is a piece of equipment that is designed to vibrate to do its job. Jeeeze, a vibrating tumbler is going to tear it self apart after a while.

i have an old Midway tumbler that is 20 years old and still going strong. I have a 10 year old Frankfort Arsenal that is noisy and has been retired because I got tired of fixing the wires between the base and the vibrating motor. I have kept the Frankfort as a spare to keep me in business when one of the others need attention.

Finally, i have a two year old Berry tumbler that has been trouble free so far.

$60 buys alot of media.
 
i wouldn't dare tumble with anything less than a cement truck

i can tumble while on my way to the store to pick up some more blue koolaid
 
Some of you all sure get work up over nothing.

My study was simple I'm on my 4th Cabelas (Berry Tumbler)....I don't need to do a double blind study....they just quit working and I take them back to Cabelas.

I would like to know from the Berry's guy though if the lids cracking are a common problem on the tumbler. Everyone I have had the lids crack really easy and early. Maybe I am over tightening them, maybe not. The lids do tend to have small stress fractures (where the center hole is drilled) in a new condition coming from the factory. I can usually stop drill those early on and use duct tape for the rest.

I may have been a little harsh with the POS statement, but I'm on my forth one. Luckily, Cabelas is close buy.

Congrats to Berry's for keeping as much in the US as possible....that is rare now days. I'll continue to use their product as long as the warranty holds up and so far it has no question ask.
 
Not me! I'm only complaining about those that believe "Only" Dillion is worth purchasing. Other makers out their are worth buying also, but some refuse to be open minded enough to realize this fact.

Now if you like a cheaper tumbler, fine. But in this case, cheaper is not best.
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This is your opinion, and nothing more!
 
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Why do you have to make yourself the stator of the obvious?

Why do you fight to defend an inferior product. It's like I was talking crap about your mother or somethigng. We're talking about who makes the best tumbler. And it's Dillon. This may be an opinion, but it is based in observation and experience. Your assessment is not based in either.
 
Why do you have to make yourself the stator of the obvious?
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Look who calling the kettle black!

Why do you fight to defend an inferior product.
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You are claiming ALL are inferior, I claim others give value for money spent.

This may be an opinion, but it is based in observation and experience. Your assessment is not based in either
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No more so than mine! My opinion is based on observation and experience and also common sense. Stating my assessment is based on neither is a stretch to say the least.

Cabellas Tumbler, by Berry, cost approx. $50.00, warrenty forever thru Cabelas customer service. Can't be beat.


Dillion tumbler # CV-750 Cost $139.95, warrenty on motor 1 year, return and exchange.

Is it now remotely possible now for one to see the difference. And we have not even brought up the fact other manufactures may also be as good, especially if purchased thru Cabelas.

Question for 918v, are we to take your word as the end all of product worthiness from this date on? Suggestions yes, but biased opinion? NO!

Here, if you want a REAL tumbler, 1 year warrenty no less. http://www.rocktumblers.com/rock-tu...ltravibe10vibratingrocktumbler8lbcapacity.cfm

BTW, in 8 years "I think, no less anyway" my bowl has never warn thru and has no evidence of doing so, nor has my lid cracked, maybe I just know the secreat on how tight to make the nut. Man, I must be good!
 
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You are claiming ALL are inferior, I claim others give value for money spent.
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Quality and value are mutually exclusive terms. While the Cabelas tumbler is a better value, it is inferior to the Dillon.

My opinion is not biased. I have owned cheap tumblers and expensive tumblers, so my opinion is unbiased and well rounded. Your continuous reference to bias is indicative of a personal attack. You can't argue the facts so you attack my character. Good job! Classic internet tactic.

The facts are that Dillon uses thicker plastic and a better motor. It is a better tumbler. No, it is not a better value, but neither is a Korth. You see, some things are better. This is a fact of life. A Sig P210 is better than a Star Model B. A S&W is better than a Rossi. Redding is better than Lee. Better materials, better fit and finish. Better presentation.

Some food also tastes better.

Some toilet paper is softer.

etc.
 
WOW! I finally got you to admit it.

While the Cabelas tumbler is a better value,
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What I was after all along.

I still take exception on the Dillion but then that's MY OPINION just as yours is which means nothing except to ourselves.
 
My Berry, Frankfort Arsenal, and Midway tumblers all clean brass, in my opinion, with the same efficiency. All out lived their warranties. All still work although I have retired the Frankfort Arsenal. Failures have been limited to wire failures between the base and the motor. They vibrate for goodness sake. Aggravating but an easy fix.

I have never experienced a failure in the plastic and my tumblers get used weekly and run over night when used. I have never cracked a top on any of them.

The Dillon may be made from reportedly better components but I cannot complain about the service from any of the cheap, no, low cost tumblers that I have purchased.

If I experienced short life from any of my tumblers, I might look at the Dillon. But, at this time, I cannot justify the added cost at seemingly no benefit.

Quality is a relative thing. You can have a high quality, low cost item as well as a low quality, high cost item. Quality is a measure of how well the item performs to it's design specifications and customer expectations.

As an aside, I have noticed the local BMW dealer is advertising all service, except gas and tires, is now included with the purchase of a BMW in an effort to lure in customers (There may be a time limit like 5 years). It won't convince me as my Subaru has the reliability of a light switch, the recommended services from the dealer is pretty inexpensive and the Subaru cost a fraction of what a BMW would cost.

So, do what ever floats your boat.
 
Eons ago when I had more time than money I made a tumbler from some old aluminum fixture plates and scrap copier parts. The "drum" is a 3# coffee can (for those of you old enough to remember 3# cans) and the rollers are electrical grommets.
Today I'd just buy a Berry's.
 
Perhaps we'd do well not to assume the whole world has just as much time as SOME people, whose retirement grants them time to worry about details the rest of us find...less than relevant. Down with tumbler snobbery!
 
<sigh> Alright, I'll stick my head out of the foxhole. I have a Lyman Turbo Twin. Hit me. What's wrong with it. I bought it. It works. It hasn't broken. Come on...lemme have it.
My body armor will stop an AK round and was made by the lowest bidder. You gonna say it would be higher "quality" if it was 6 inches of tempered chrome plated steel? Face it...some of us are still plugging away at 70 hour-a-week jobs...worse than that, some of us are still doing it on the enlisted side of the house; so not everybody has time to worry about the finer details of "fit and finish" reviews.
 
It's not just the fit and finish. It's also about noise. FYI, I work for a living and I appreciate a tumbler that does not sound like a broke down diesel engine firing on three cylinders.
 
FYI, I work for a living
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I'm curious: doing what? There MUST be a story behind a man who has a job but still musters the passion to go to war over such trivial matters.
 
It's not just the fit and finish. It's also about noise. FYI, I work for a living and I appreciate a tumbler that does not sound like a broke down diesel engine firing on three cylinders.
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My Berry/Cabelas just has a light hum, my cat can purr louder.
 
My body armor will stop an AK round and was made by the lowest bidder.
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That's almost counter-productive in your argument. :what:

I'm looking to buy my first tumbler and I'd appreciate any suggestions
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The OP didn't specify that he wanted the cheapest or the best deal did he? He didn't in the original post anyway. The guy said that Dillon was the best tumbler... so what? The question was asking for an suggestion. If you guys don't like Dillon don't buy it.

To the OP, I take back what I said, go find a tumbler that was NOT listed on here and buy that one instead. Then, I'd use the dog crap out of it and when people ask what I used I'd say "ancient Chinese secret."
 
I'm curious: doing what? There MUST be a story behind a man who has a job but still musters the passion to go to war over such trivial matters.
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This thread is about tumblers, not about me. But you're right. This is trivial.
 
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