(TX) Moms, kids find officer's loaded gun in South Austin park

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Charge him with what? I just want to see if the people calling from prosecution even know what to prosecute him with

Public endangerment would be a good start, though I'm not sure of what exact laws would cover this. Abuse of city property (if it's an issued gun).
I have no doubt that if this were Joe Taxpayer, they'd throw the book at him and see what sticks.
 
Well, maybe like the anti's say... it got a mind of its' own and decided to jump out of the holster, and lie in wait for some unsuspecting victim... I mean, these things do have a mind of their own, according to the Brady crew, etc.

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I don't see them charging him with anything. These kind of incidents almost never result in any substantial punishment. My guess is he might get a few unpaid days off at worst.

Keep in mind cops have lost FA weapons and had little or no punishment for it.
 
This would likely be the lightest full-size duty piece carried. You don't lose a two pound chunk of plastic and metal off your belt and not notice unless you're negligent.

Based solely on the weight issue, I might disagree. During the day my belt weighed about 15 pounds, at night closer to 18. I know guys that lost flashlights and steel batons while running after folks in the dark (granted, those weigh closer to 1.5 pounds) and didn't notice until several hours later when someone pointed it out back that the station. There is a lot of weight hanging off your hips, and I doubt most folks would notice 2 pounds of it disappearing. Based on the fact that it happened to be the most important 2 pounds on the belt, carried in the position on the belt where it is both easily seen and easy to touch with the strong hand, he probably should have noticed.

I don't see them charging him with anything.

This doesn't bother me one bit, as long as the same would be applied to anyone else. If I lost my gun in the park, I'd like the cops to return it without charging me with anything as well.

Franky, giving what it cost the taxpayers to train this guy, I'd hope they put a letter of reprimand in his file and get him back to work.
 
I'd call it GROSS negligence.

I just can't fathom an officer not realizing he doesn't have his weapon for about FOUR HOURS. :rolleyes: :scrutiny:

Written disciplinary action is definitely in order. If he has an otherwise spotless record with the department, I'd give him a two week suspension WITHOUT pay, and a written reprimand in his permanent file.

If his record is already a little "spotty", I'd fire him.
 
I can't even carry a gun yet, but I have a nice Beretta utility knife on my belt at all times. (Too much MacGyver as a kid? I dunno. Comes in handy quite often, though.) I've taken it out of the pouch, done something with it, and left it sitting on a table. It takes me about a minute to start feeling something is not quite right, and maybe another 30 seconds to grab all my pockets to check to see what it is - Phone? Check. Wallet? Check. Keys? Check. Knife? Knife? Hmm, where did I leave that?

My knife weighs - I'm guessing here - less than a pound. (Lot's of Swiss Army-ness, and an LED flashlight too! I can open wine bottles in the dark!) If it takes me less than 2 minutes to figure out I lost a knife, how can it take some guy hours to not notice his 2 pound + pistol is missing from the holster?
 
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As soon as I read the subject line I was reminded of the similar "child shoots self with granny's pursed handgun in Sam's" Thread.

Yep; these mishaps and oversights happen to the "highly trained" as well. Although happily in this case a small child did not pick it up and shoot themselves. And like the granny, no need to hang this guy either - the embarrassment has been sufficient I am sure.

Granny got off without any charges being filed because she is judge. What do you think would happen if that had been one of us instead of someone with political connections?

In the cop's case, no harm no foul. If someone had been hurt...
 
Phone? Check. Wallet? Check. Keys? Check. Knife?

First, you admit that you used the knife and left it on the table. Your brain knew that you used the knife, and you noticed something was wrong, and it was that you put your knife down.

I don't think that is a fair comparison if the officer's retention holster failed. He would have no reason to think his gun wasn't in his holster if he didn't take it out.

Second, add to that list of yours: 1 handgun, 4 loaded magazines, OC spray, flashlight, (possibly) second flashlight, collapsible steel baton, 2 pair handcuffs, radio, and probably a few other things I am forgetting. (Some Austin cops now have yellow taser looking guns on their belts also . . . I never carried one, but I bet it weighs a decent amount too.)

It is easier than you think to be missing one of those items and not notice.

Once again, I'm not excusing the fact that he lost his gun and didn't notice, I just don't think people playing the "how could you not notice 2 pounds missing" card have a very good understanding of how much a duty belt weighs.
 
Once again, I'm not excusing the fact that he lost his gun and didn't notice, I just don't think people playing the "how could you not notice 2 pounds missing" card have a very good understanding of how much a duty belt weighs.

While that may very well be true, and a valid point, the fact they say the gun was found on a slide, seems to make the idea that the gun just fell out, a little odd. If it fell out onto a hard, likely metal object like a slide, I'd think there'd be no way not to hear it hit. Also, how would it fall out of the holster onto the slide, and not slide off?

As I said earlier, it sounds a lot more like he took it out of the holster while working with the dog so it wouldn't fall out, intentionally set it on the slide, then forget to pick it up afterward. Maybe the slide thing isn't true, but as it stands, thats the claim, so that's what we have to go on. So, assuming that is accurate, the whole "it fell out, and the slight difference in weight on the heavy duty belt" theory kinda goes out the window REAL fast, and points to him straight out, knowingly removing the gun, setting it down, and leaving it. That is clearly very negligent, and cant really be called and "accident", like the gun falling out into the grass quietly. If this is the case, there is really no excusing it, IMHO. This isn't a set of car keys or your glasses getting left in a park for kids or a criminal to find (druggies seem to have a fondness for doing their buying, selling, and doping in parks, from what I've seen first hand), it's a freakin' loaded handgun. VERY bad juju to leave lying around in a place like that.

But, who knows, as with most things reported in the news that aren't super-high profile, there will likely be no follow up, so we will likely never know for sure. I'm certainly leaning toward my scenario above WAY more than it falling out hough, based on the facts given in the story.
 
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