Tyler, TX shooting spree wacko fired on by CCW citizen.

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Well, I looked around, and can't believe there's not a thread on here yet.

Here is the story as available on the 'net:

Tyler Shooting

Channel WFAA TV here in Dallas just aired a press conference where the local PD gave a statement that the perp was shot at by a private citizen who happened to be CCW near the Courthouse at the time, there still isn't a clear story on whether the CCW hit the guy or not or whether that citizen is among the dead or wounded.

We'll see how much of that gets to the mainstream media, but the officials in Tyler made certain to point out that he was licensed to carry, and trained.

Good job, whoever you are! Thanks for at least trying to help.
 
Heroic Concealed-Carry Licensee Killed in Shootout in Texas

GUNMAN OPENS FIRE AT COURTHOUSE
IN DOWNTOWN TYLER


Two killed, three wounded in Texas shooting

A concealed-carry licensee, Mark Allen Wilson (sp?) opened fire at the AK-47-variant-wielding, bulletproof vest-and flak-jacket wearing shooter. He hit him several times, probably saving at least one life - that of the shooter's ex-wife's son. Unfortunately, the hero was then shot and killed by the assailant.

The suspect was killed by police after a chase.
 
Update - CCW holder among dead

WFAA TV is reporting the CCW holder exchanged gunfire with the <idiot>, and was killed in the process. Local officials are crediting him with saving lives, although he gave his own.
 
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Funny, MSNBC doesn't mention that part about the legal CCW playing a part in stopping this guy.
 
No surprise I guess. I updated the link above to a local media outlet.
Hopefully get more accurate coverage there. They just replayed the interview with the police official, and mentioned the CCW again.

There will no doubt be a fund for the LEOs injured in the mess, maybe someone will start one for this poor guy, just trying to help.
 
The local Tyler station http://www.kltv.com/ has several video reports, including a witness who says that the CHL holder fired three shots and "... hit him, hit him Bad." but that the BG was probably wearing a vest and was unfazed. Another report eslewhere by a friend of the CHL holder also said that he hit the bad guy twice COM, but that the BG was unfazed and then shot the CHL holder twice COM, once to the head.

Practice those failure drills....
 
Roberts said the gunman sprayed the courthouse with bullets and was then shot at by another man who did not appear to be a police officer, and was soon killed.

"The man armed with the AK-47 then walked up to that man and shot him point-blank … killed him," Roberts said.

That "other man who did not appear to be a police officer" did something braver and more noble than 99.9999% of the population. I hope the full story of how he intervened comes out, and isn't suppressed by the media.
 
Wonder if the anti's will come out with some sob story about what can happen to you if you carry a gun. And you can bet that the use of an AK-47 in a shooting rampage is going to stir the anti's up.

It's sad to hear that a citizen trying to protect others and possibly himself had to be the target of this idiot and lost his life in the process. He did a good thing that a lot of other people would not even think of doing.
 
KSLA in Shreveport reported that the bad guy was definitely wearing a vest. The intended targets were apparently the bad guy's (former?) wife and child. The wife was killed; the newsguy opined that the CHL holder saved the kid. The bad guy died at the hospital. I'm sure that we'll know more tomorrow.
 
Mulliga,

Not trying to change the subject of the thread, but the anti's obvious counter to that is to ban vests for civilians as well as guns.

I wasn't sure, but aren't they banned in CA, probably as a result of that "Heat" style bank robbery? I remember the WTO riots inspired CA to start talk of banning gas masks for civilians but don't know if that ever went through.
 
Would the first person who finds the article mentioning in print the CCW holder please post it here? I'm not doubting it happened, but so far none of the articles that I looked at here mentioned it.
 
http://www.kltv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2994393

Mark Wilson, age 52, one witness claimed he was shooting a .45, although I don't know how he knew. LE credits Mr. Wilson with saving the life of the shooter's son, who was wounded. Apparently, the 4-6 cops and deputies who were shooting at the shooter did not hit him. They may have been further away, I don't know.

Very comforting to hear the Sheriff say, at least twice during the press conference, "It's a free country. If somebody wants to do something like this, (the shooting), they can do it."

Yes, a fund would be nice. Also comforting was the language used by the Sheriff to describe Wilson: "a citizen who was aiding law enforcement." No "civilian", no "vigilante"--just respect.
 
Ironic that a Five-seveN "evil armor-piercing pistol" would have actually helped in this situation.

I hate to say it but probably not.

What would have stopped it all is a head shot.
 
As previously mentioned, the reports we're getting in the metroplex on AM radio is that Mr. Wilson is being credited with saving the sons life by intervening.

WBAP-820 indicated he owned a gun range and well known in Tyler. Very sad.
At least it looks like he was of help and cudos for stepping in harms way to help.
 
A Tyler man embroiled in a bitter child support dispute opened fire on his ex-wife and son with a high-powered rifle, killing the woman and a bystander who attempted to intervene.

Several people, including three lawmen, were wounded in the exchange.

Police ultimately shot and killed David Hernandez Arroyo Sr. after he fired repeatedly at officers during a two-mile chase that ended off U.S. Highway 271.

The 43-year-old suspect, who was wearing multiple layers of body armor, died in a hail of police gunfire after authorities rammed his pickup and he emerged, gun raised and firing.

The scene around the normally quiet Smith County Courthouse turned into chaos as people dove for cover to escape the gunman. Office workers scrambled to lock doors and crawl to safety.


Authorities said it was the bloodiest day in recent memory.

The dead, both of Tyler, have been identified as Maribel Estrada, 41, and Mark Allen Wilson, 52, a personal trainer and gun enthusiast. The wounded include David Arroyo Jr., 23, the suspect's son, five law enforcement officers and two bystanders.

Authorities surmised afterward the deceased never had a chance.

Details continue to emerge, but preliminary evidence suggests Arroyo planned the ambush to the minutest de-tail.

He was armed with an AK-47, two types of body armor and hundreds of rounds of ammunition, said Tyler Police Chief Gary Swindle.

Within a span of about two minutes, the downtown square in Tyler was transformed to a landscape of shell casings, broken glass and stunned witnesses.

"I saw people lying everywhere that had been shot," said a dazed Nathan Hoffman, an attorney working di-rectly across the street from the courthouse when shots rang out.

"I saw a guy walking down the street with a high-powered rifle shooting at the courthouse," Hoffman said. "I said, 'Everyone move to the back of the office!'" By then, the scene erupted in chaos.

The gunman, Hoffman said, was "just running down the street shooting."

Witnesses said Arroyo ambushed his ex-wife and son outside the courthouse and started firing.

Ms. Estrada was struck multiple times and died on the lower steps on the east side of the courthouse, officials said.

Arroyo continued firing, aiming next at his son.

"He was either wounded or dead, but the guy (Arroyo) shot him again to make sure he wouldn't get up," said witness Brandon Malone, a Tyler builder who was lunching inside Don Juan's.

Smith County Sheriff's Deputy Sherman Dollison, 28, who was serving as a substitute bailiff for the day, was shot multiple times while standing on the landing of the courthouse steps.

He is listed in critical condition at East Texas Medical Center with injuries to the lungs and liver.

SCSO Lt. Marlin Suell, 38, and Tyler Police Det. Clay Perrett, 54, were injured by stray gunfire - Suell in the back of the neck and Perrett to the side of the face.

Repeated shots fired by the suspect shattered glass and sent bystanders scurrying for cover, behind benches, bushes and vehicles.

Several people were wounded by flying glass and one man fell unconscious after suffering a seizure, a hospital spokeswoman said.

The noise prompted Mark Wilson, a gun enthusiast, to intervene as Arroyo continued to fire on his wounded son.

"They traded shots, missing each other, and then the gunman hit Wilson and Wilson went down," said Nelson Clyde III, publisher of the Tyler Morning Telegraph, recalling the shooting as he watched from Don Juan's.

"The gunman walked up to Wilson and shot him while he was on the ground," Clyde said. "I couldn't believe what I was seeing ... it was sickening."

Witnesses said Arroyo calmly walked to his truck, still trading shots with an unidentified man lying beside a Chevrolet, and climbed inside.

"He slowly backed up a bit, and drove away at normal speed, right past a patrol car," Clyde said.

Wilson approached the suspect and fired several times, but the shots appeared useless due to the multiple lay-ers of body armor, witnesses said.

He was wearing both a bulletproof vest and a military flak jacket.

Arroyo turned and fired on Wilson, killing him just a few feet outside the front door of Levine's clothing store. The suspect climbed into his maroon Chevrolet stepside pickup and sped away.

Witness Ron Martell, a military veteran who watched the killing spree, trailed the fleeing suspect and pointed him out to police.

"At first, I couldn't believe it," he said. "I watched the suspect shoot that guy at least seven times. Then he got into his truck and casually drove away. I followed him."

City, county, state and federal law enforcement officers rushed to chase down the suspect and tend to the wounded.

Sirens wailing, authorities began chasing Arroyo, who fired at officers and the courthouse as he sped away from the killing scene.

The caravan of officers pursued the suspect to North Spring Avenue and onto East Gentry Parkway, trailing him to the area of U.S. 271 and Duncan Street.

Witnesses up and down the corridor rushed for cover from stray gunfire as Arroyo continued firing at officers. "When they came through, there were a lot of shots flying around," said Henry Lee, manager of Rayson Automotive, 2021 E. Gentry Parkway. "I ducked."

A deputy rammed the man's vehicle, prompting him to emerge firing.

Officers returned fire, striking the man several times, at least once in the head.

Sobbing relatives rushed to the location, but were held at bay by authorities.

Authorities spent hours searching the highway for spent casings. Dozens of tiny markers documented the number of shots fired.

"Obviously he came prepared because he came with a bulletproof flak jacket," said Chief Swindle. "Witnesses reported seeing him reload."

Swindle said of the law officers on the scene, "They were simply outgunned. They were armed with handguns and he (Arroyo) was armed with an AK47."

Arroyo had previously told his wife he would kill her if she pressed the issue of child support, authorities said. "He came here with one thing in mind," Swindle said. "He had the act set in his mind to murder his ex-wife. He has a history of assaulting his ex-wife and several weapons offenses."

Authorities credited Wilson with possibly saving the life of Arroyo's son, who was reported to be in fair con-dition.

Swindle said the armor worn by Arroyo was designed to withstand not just bullets, but also landmine explo-sions.

Staff writers Patrick Butler and Roy Maynard contributed to this report.

It's still a mess, but there may have been two CHL carriers involved: Wilson and an unidentified man who took cover under a Chevy.

More news as it comes. Local news station here:http://www.kltv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2994393

LawDog
 
I hate to say it but probably not.
What would have stopped it all is a head shot.
No Mozambique drill? :confused:

No offense, but I suspect you've never been in a real life, civilian SD situation.

You're assuming safety drill was an option, right?
Maybe the distance, cover, or target movement ruled it out...
(It's a lot different when the target is shooting back, hein?))
Even if a safety drill had been attempted, but missed the headshot,
there's almost no way we'll ever know now, despite ANY hypothetical
video record or knowledgeable witnesses.

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