I see a lot of recommendations about which formula or which brand of OC spray, but is there anything else to consider? I'm finding most of the advice on LEO forums and I'm obviously not going to conceal the big canisters. However, I feel like I'm cheaping out on the $10 Sabre pocket canisters. Is the .5oz key chain spray too small? What about the 2oz models with a belt clip? I'm leaning on swapping to the fogger model since it doesn't seem like I would get many shots with the stream types if I miss.
Types of OC delivering sprays for civies
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I opted for 2oz over keychain because I didn't like the idea of fumbling with my keys getting to it. Fog vs stream - I haven't seen differences in # of sprays in the can. The difference I've read is your preference of balance of ease to hit attacker and avoid being hit by it yourself due to blowback.
Not just the brand, but type of spray: stream? Fog? Spray?
Just like with your sidearm, test it on a cardboard target at varying distances.
I keep a stream in my car a large cannister in the door pocket driver side. I leave my door cracked open for quick access at the gas station. Larger can serves as a bludgeon as well in a pinch.
The stream I carry from personal experience. When I was in college many years ago, I took an ass beating and 8 stitches from a split lip when some idiot I didn't know mistook my idenity. He just came up started pummeling me from out of the blue. It all started when he challenged me to "get out of the car bitch, I am gonna beat your ass" well all I remember is the seeing the fist as he was drawing back and tasting the salty blood. Can you say eye opener. Long story short, I kept thinking back on it and how I could have gotten out of the vehicle before being hit several times or having the door slammed on me as I tried to exit. The stream gives decent range and is less likely to blow back in your face.
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Just like with your sidearm, test it on a cardboard target at varying distances.
I keep a stream in my car a large cannister in the door pocket driver side. I leave my door cracked open for quick access at the gas station. Larger can serves as a bludgeon as well in a pinch.
The stream I carry from personal experience. When I was in college many years ago, I took an ass beating and 8 stitches from a split lip when some idiot I didn't know mistook my idenity. He just came up started pummeling me from out of the blue. It all started when he challenged me to "get out of the car bitch, I am gonna beat your ass" well all I remember is the seeing the fist as he was drawing back and tasting the salty blood. Can you say eye opener. Long story short, I kept thinking back on it and how I could have gotten out of the vehicle before being hit several times or having the door slammed on me as I tried to exit. The stream gives decent range and is less likely to blow back in your face.
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The LEOs that I know recommend Punch II or FOX.
Although none of them recommend foam, I am persuaded that in a car or at the car door it is the best choice to keep me from getting enough to become incapacitated.
I do have one friend who, as a reserve officer, had to spray three young drunks at the lake who were going to whip him and throw him in the lake. He ended up spraying them with foam, and each dropped as if shot.
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Jerry
Although none of them recommend foam, I am persuaded that in a car or at the car door it is the best choice to keep me from getting enough to become incapacitated.
I do have one friend who, as a reserve officer, had to spray three young drunks at the lake who were going to whip him and throw him in the lake. He ended up spraying them with foam, and each dropped as if shot.
Best,
Jerry
I carry a Swiss made Piexon(also known as Kimber Lifeact Guardian Angel or Pepperblaster) it has longer range than the Sabre pen and key ring pepper spray I used to have but the downside is theres no way to test it without having to buy a new one.
Experienced use on dogs...
Quatin--I'm a bicyclist (among a bunch of other things!) and dogs chase bicycles regularly. The bikers I know with "dog experience," myself included, use a spray called "Halt!" which is available in bicycle shops generally, and is legal (at least for dogs) in my area.
Halt! comes in a canister that fits nicely in your fist, has a belt clip (which also works nicely on a bicyclists' jersey pocket) and shoots about a 10' stream when the can is new. The top of the canister is set up so you can point it by feel; don't have to look to see if it's aimed where you want or back at yourself. You hold the canister in your fist and shoot with your thumb.
It'll stop a Doberman pinscher in full-out attack mode, or 3 enthusiastic Labrador retrievers. (Personal experience.)
The stream doesn't suffer from blowback in any sort of wind in which you'd be riding a bicycle.
Hope you find something that satisfies.
Quatin--I'm a bicyclist (among a bunch of other things!) and dogs chase bicycles regularly. The bikers I know with "dog experience," myself included, use a spray called "Halt!" which is available in bicycle shops generally, and is legal (at least for dogs) in my area.
Halt! comes in a canister that fits nicely in your fist, has a belt clip (which also works nicely on a bicyclists' jersey pocket) and shoots about a 10' stream when the can is new. The top of the canister is set up so you can point it by feel; don't have to look to see if it's aimed where you want or back at yourself. You hold the canister in your fist and shoot with your thumb.
It'll stop a Doberman pinscher in full-out attack mode, or 3 enthusiastic Labrador retrievers. (Personal experience.)
The stream doesn't suffer from blowback in any sort of wind in which you'd be riding a bicycle.
Hope you find something that satisfies.
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I carried a spitfire for about two months, till it broke apart along the seam. I searched on amazon and found others complaining this happened. The concept is cool, if they would just make a sturdier product
Jolly, maybe it'd be covered by customer service, not sure. My unit has been fairly robust. I don't baby my keychain and it's never split.
jollyroger, which part broke the cannister of ingredient? or the weapon itself (housing/trigger components) Thanks.
The plastic housing on the Spitfire split down the seams where it was joined. Looks like the housing is manufactured in three pieces: the upper and lower halves and the screw-in plug that lets you change canisters (the top contains the actuator and spring.) I first noticed the problem when I found the plug loose in my pocket-the halves had spread enough to let it work loose. I put it aside and will probably try to fix it with model airplane glue.
cold steel's inferno, I had the pleasure of watching an employee who is an ex-idf soldier ask to have this stuff tested on him, after seeing that I don't know if there is better stuff out there or not but this stuff has my vote
When I can't carry a gun, I've taken to slipping a Pepperblaster in my pocket.
And to the OP ... "civies" include police, you're probably annoying various veterans and active duty non-civilians with your title and implication.
And to the OP ... "civies" include police, you're probably annoying various veterans and active duty non-civilians with your title and implication.
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Not this again...dictionary says otherwise. Besides, to vets and non-civilians, I'm pretty sure "civvies" is a type of clothing
Kimber makes one that is different. Not a canister or pressurized at all. It uses two loads that appear to be ballistically pressurized. Says you can't move fast enough to dodge it, that it will blow right around glasses, through fabric, etc. Looks useful.
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