Uberti 1858 new army

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I'm wondering how stout these are. I love my other Uberti guns, but they're all cartridge guns. My C&B is an ASM 1861, and I've never tried to push it past 35 grains of FFFg or pyrodex. Can these Uberti new army guns handle, say, 40 or 45 grain charges safely? I'd love to have a more potent C&B revolver without having to step into the mass of a Walker. And I think the 1858 is the best looking of all C&B wheelguns.
 
OK. sounds good to me. I know I could get another 5+ grains in that ASM 1861, but I also know they're not the kind of quality Uberti puts out, so I stick to < 35. And the 1858 is a stronger gun anyway.
 
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As mentioned by another, you can't physically get 40 or more grains of powder in the chamber and a ball as well... The Dragoons and Walkers have much longer cylinders.
 
mec reported that he loaded 40 grains of both Swiss & Pyrodex P in an Uberti '58 along with a .454 PRB. Maybe the powder just really needs to be compressed with the aid of a ram or a loading press as a separate loading step. Also the various brands of powders do compress differently and the chambers are not always the exact same size.

28 Grain Pyrodex P 966
28 Grain Goex FFFG 795
28 Grain Swiss FFFG 959
35 Grain Swiss FFFG 1089
40 Grains Swiss FFFG 1104
40 Grains Pyrodex P 1125
.454 ball- Uberti 58

http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=2368696&postcount=21

Regarding the 1860 Army, mec reported that his "will hold 49 grains with considerable compression".

28-30 grains with round ball is a very satisfactory load whether you use goex FFFg, pyrodex p or Swiss FFFg. Mine works well with up to 35 grains and will hold 49 grains with considerable compression. At 40 grains, my particular revolver will display hammer blow back and rough functioning with Swiss or Pyrodex.
(all charges thrown from a measure calibrated for goex fffg. The actual weight of Swiss is greater while pyrodex is much lighter and compresses more readily)
Loads 140-141 Grain Ball Velocity Spread/6rounds
28 Grains Goex FFFg Second Generation Colt 822 55
28 Grains Goex FFFg Uberti 871 104
35 Grains Goex FFFg Second Generation Colt 855 37
35 Grains Swiss Uberti 1031 48
Same Load Different Day 1020 34
40 Grains Goex FFFg 992 34
40 grains Goex FFFg with Wonder Wad 942 30
40 Grains Swiss FFFg 1042 49
40 Grains Swiss FFFg with Wonder Wad 1055 80
22 Gr/Vol. Pyrodex P .457" 725 25
22 Gr/Vol. Pyrodex P .454" 712 27
28 Gr/Vol. Pyrodex P 841 54
*30 Gr/Vol. Pyrodex P .457 931 (lubed 1/8" wad) 21
30 Gr/Vol. Pyrodex P .457 904 (lubed double wad) 47
*30 Gr/Vol. Pyrodex P .457
Uberti Army made in 1980 899 77 Identical revolvers made
in 1980 and 2004
35Gr/Vol. Pyrodex P 1047 116
35 Gr/Vol Pyrodex P with Wonder Wad 1055 69
35 Gr/Vol. Pyrodex P different Day 1046 77
28 Gr/Vol American Pioneer 506 57

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=256866&highlight=velocity
 
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Pyro-P is more compressible. You may be able to fill the chamber to the brim and seat a ball deep enough to clear the barrel. That would be a stout load of maybe 40grs volume. Also 777 is more powerful that BP or the subs but I'm half skeered to use a full chamber in any of my guns. The Remmies would be the most likely to handle it. I would NEVER shoot full chambers of 777 in a Walker. I know of one that sent the barrel assembly down range with a load of 777.
 
Hodgdon 777 is not to be used measure-for-measure against black powder, so you'll need to reduce it a bit.
As I recall, Hodgdon warns against using 777 in brass-framed guns. It's powerful stuff. Visit the Hodgdon site for recommendations on its use in cap and ball sixguns.

I have an Uberti-made Remington 1858 in .44 caliber and it's a fine gun. Very accurate. Mine has the fixed sights, but once I got them regulated to point of aim with my favorite load, I haven't needed adjustable sights.

I prefer using a greased, felt wad between the ball and powder. I soak the hard, wool felt wads in a home-brew lubricant I posted years ago and it has since been named after me as "Gatofeo No. 1 Lubricant"
The recipe is 1 part canning paraffin, 1 part mutton tallow and 1/2 part beeswax. All measurements are by weight, not volume. Substitution of any ingredient results in an inferior lube; stick to what is specified.

In my Uberti, I am unable to use a wad with 40 grs. of Goex FFFG and still have room to seat a .454 inch ball.
However, I tried 40 grains of Goex FFFG with a .457 inch ball. I pressed a wad of Gatofeo No. 1 Lube over the ball, for lubrication. Accuracy was poor and the bore heavily fouled.

I reduced the charge to 35 grs., which gave me room for the greased wad. Accuracy improved and the bore was much cleaner.

An accurate load in my Uberti is 30 grs. of Goex FFFG, and a greased felt wad seated firmly on the powder. Corn meal was added to the top of the chamber, then a .457 inch ball was seated.
Groups typically go 2" at 25 yards, from a benchrest, and the bore is very clean.
I pretty much use greased felt wads in all my cap and balls. And those wads are greased with the Gatofeo No. 1 Lube listed above.

I buy my felt by the sheet from DuroFelt of Little Rock, Arkansas.
Real, wool felt of the proper thickness and stiffness is difficult to find; so much of it is polyester and limp.
An old, felt hat is good but DuroFelt will sell you a large sheet of 1/8" thick real wool felt, from which you can punch thousands of wads, for less than $30.
That's about three or four packages of Wonder Wads, if you bought them.
I use a .45-caliber punch, purchased from Buffalo Arms.
There are hole punch kits out there, sold by Harbor Freight and such, but their 7/16th punch is too small (works well in the .44-40, though) and their 1/2 inch punch is too big (perfect for .50-caliber, though).
The .45-caliber punch cost me less than $20. It's very well made and hasn't dulled after hundreds of wads.

I guess I'm a grumpy ol' desert cat, set in my ways, but I've been shooting cap and ball revolvers since about 1970. I've learned a thing or two along the way, but I'm still learning.

I just recently purchased a Remington .36 with target adjustable sights. It was made in 1973, judging from the Italian proofmarks, and distributed by Navy Arms. I had it out a couple of weeks ago, but shivered the groups away. :D
When the weather warms, and the snow melts, I'll wring it out. It's a rare bird; the only .36 Remington I've ever seen with target adjustable sights. All those I've seen are .44 caliber.
Should be a fun, interesting critter to unleash.
 
Gatofeo,
I find the 7/16" hole punch cuts a perfect sized wad for all my 44 C&Bs. They fit snugly in the chambers and during cold weather are a little stiff to seat. I use 50/50 beeswax and olive oil as a lube.

Would deer tallow be the same a mutton tallow for your lube formula? I shot a nice fat doe 2 years ago and cot a couple pounds of nice rendered tallow.
 
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