Uberti Colt Walker Question

[texasgent1]

Hey Gents - I'm a newby to this site, but not a newby to BP! I was recently gifted an Uberti Colt Walker that was won at a Ducks Unlimited raffle. Took the piece to the Ranch, shot it 20+ times with 45g & for an 1985 unfired gun, she did great! Externally cleaned her, didn't strip her down because didn't know how, then went to shoot it again & the hammer will not rotate the cylinder - it's stuck! I figure something is prohibiting the cylinder from cycling....does anyone out there have a simple, step by step disassembly of this piece. I think something, maybe a cap piece is jamming the cylinder-?! Have surfed the web for answers & you guys seem to be the "experts" & the source of common sense!
If anyone out there has a "Plan", I'd appreciate it ............I collect old steel/CW & before sabers/swords........if any of you guys need some help on info, I have a great library & perhaps can return the favor gratis!
Thanks,
John/Houston

 

[4v50 Gary]

Easier than typing is watching on a

Spray down your gun with oil and let it soak overnight first.

Youtube video basic field stripping Link

Here's one detailing the complete disassembly of on a later 3rd Model Dragoon: Link Note: The wedge on the Dragoon is on the opposite side of the Walker's.

Of course, all those spare parts need to be reassembled. Link

BTW, welcome to THR.

 

[Foto Joe]

You'll find quickly that there's nothing to be scared of taking one of these apart. I would suggest using a "zip-tie" or "wire-tie" to secure the main spring before you remove the trigger frame. Typically, I will cock the hammer to compress the spring but since that's why you're taking it apart just manually compress the spring and scrunch the tie-wrap down on it to hold it. Once you're done with your re-assembly, you can simply slip the tie-wrap off of the main spring and toss it into your range box. Trust me, you'll be using it again eventually.

 

[4v50 Gary]

Good tip FotoJoe.

 

[Smokin'Joe]

Zip Ties

Sorta like this:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=576317

 

[Foto Joe]

I had an ASM Walker that liked to "deploy" the hand spring once in a while. Necessity is the Mother of All Invention as they say. I couldn't get the screw to loosen up on the mainspring so I could just slide it out, but I happened to carry zip ties on the bike. I didn't invent the idea, but pride won't keep me from using it.

 

[texasgent1]

You Guys are the real deal! Thanks!

Gentlemen- I cannot thank you guys enough because in 10 minutes I learned more about this piece than 3 hours of sitting there, trying to taking it apart, surfing the, sometimes, worthless web, & scratching more than my head!
I really appreciate the help/info, & Gary.......who'd have thought youtube would become so informational-?!!! I've always kinda thought of youtube as being a "Jackass" sort of medium!
Again, I thank you all for your input!!!
John/Houston

 

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

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[BADUNAME47]

Jammed Revolver

One thing that will quickly jam a percussion revolver is to have the fragment of a fired cap fall down into the action when the revolver is cocked for the next shot.

One way to avoid this is to use percussion caps that fit the nipples on your gun. Unfortunately, the nipples that come on most Italian made repro revolvers seem to be of an odd size. Replace your nipples with TRESCO nipples, use the right size caps and your jams should end.

 

[texasgent1]

Colt Walker reply to Gary

Gary - did as you said, unstuck the cylinder, she's good to go. I think it just got some gunk down the cylinder shaft when I put it up (was working well right after I cleaned it - then froze 2 weeks later - go figure).
Your suggestion of soaking it down got me to spraying Breakfree in all of her pertinent areas & 30 min later, she was free! Thanks for the advice!
I followed your youtube links...Brother, I cannot get this piece to break down! She won't release from the barrel shaft & trigger action. I've watched that breakdown video clip 30 times & it ain't happening! Have seen other clips with other suggestions (i.e. rotating the cylinder a bit to use the loading lever to help break it free by tapping against the area between the bullet slots....nope)! I just think that since this gun was won in the mid '80's, has never been taken down, it's gonna be a bear to dismantle! Tapped it with a rubber mallet -nope!
Thanks a lot - you got her firing!!!
JOhn/Houston

 

[4v50 Gary]

Remember that on a Walker it goes out on the opposite side than the Dragoon. So, you tap the wedge on the left side to drive it to the right.

Try using a plastic or brass hammer instead of a rubber mallet. Brass especially won't bounce as much and will transfer more energy. If a rawhide mallet was available, that should work too. If you don't have either, rest the gun on two pieces of wood with on either side of the barrel wedge. You don't want the cylinder to rest on the surface as you don't want any energy transferred to it (or the cylinder pin). It might take another person to hold the gun steady for you. Get a brass drift (or a small piece of plastic or wood) and place it against the barrel wedge. Tap the wedge with a hammer. Don't whack it hard as you don't want the wood or plastic to fly away and the hammer head crash down onto the gun.

 

[Dellbert]

I Rooting For You

I bought a new Uberti Walker after thirty, or forty rounds a cap frag went down into the opening at the bottom of the hammer, and got into my hammer spring, I tried to keep pulling the hammer back, and broke the hammer spring. These fellows on THR talked me through most of it. I feel for anyone that has to replace that spring for the first time. If you don't have a nother person there to help hold that revolver upside down for you, so you can get the screws in the bottom your in for one heck of a ride, It will make a preacher cuss, twice on Sunday. At the time I didn't know about the tools that's out there to help you do the job. Once again, these folks sent me pics. of the tools I needed to do the job. I would tell you to try #10 Rem caps tell you can do a nipple change, and hold that big revolver up, when you go to pull the hammer back so those caps can't go down into the works again. Try to order at least one of every part that's on the inside of that Walker, including the T spring that holds the loading lever up. Good Luck, and welcome to the best fourm on the net. I know that none of this has anything to do with your problem, but if your going for the big gun you may as well get your feet wet like the rest of us. :banghead:

 

[arcticap]

I've watched that breakdown video clip 30 times & it ain't happening! Have seen other clips with other suggestions (i.e. rotating the cylinder a bit to use the loading lever to help break it free by tapping against the area between the bullet slots....nope)! I just think that since this gun was won in the mid '80's, has never been taken down, it's gonna be a bear to dismantle! Tapped it with a rubber mallet -nope!

On page 84 of the Walker Club thread, Ratdog68 mentions in post #2088 about how he couldn't remove his Walker barrel because of a burr on the spindle (or arbor) where the wedge fits into the slot I guess.
It's worth noting just in case your Walker has a similar burr affecting it.
His Uberti Walker was also new.
Apart from the burr, he also ended up finding a piece of cap in the works.

Here's the post, one of several:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=5854462&postcount=2088

And the post is on this page:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=5854462&highlight=burr#post5854462

 

[BADUNAME47]

Another hint!

For any Colt or Remmie revolver, sooner or later the "Trigger & Stop" Spring is going to break. This is because it is a "Flat" spring that is on the thin side.

Check with Wolff Springs and see if you can get a "Trigger & Stop" Spring made out of MUSIC WIRE. Wolff has them for several varieties of Colt Peacemakers and clones-and these should also fit the replica '51 Navies, 1860 Army, Remmie etc.

Anyway, those music "Trigger & Stop Springs" are "Worth Their Weight in Gold." Try 'Em, you will Like 'Em!

 

[TheRodDoc]

Uberti uses a tapered arbor and a tapered hole in barrel. This shallow taper can lock very tight if someone tapped the wedge in to tight. To get barrel loose you need to hold gun by the muzzle end of barrel pointing up. Over something soft to catch gun when it falls from barrel. Now hammer with your hard rubber or plastic hammer in a horizonal direction, on the bottom of gun over the joint between barrel and frame. A couple good wacks. Then if still stuck, hammer at top side of barrel right in front of forcing cone. then back to bottom side again. etc. It should fall apart.

When assembling again, only push wedge in with your thumb. Dont hammer it in.

 

[texasgent1]

Again, you guys are very generous with your knowledge & time! Thank you for all of the tips! arcticap, Ill take your advice & check out the clips. Southron, Sr., because I burn a lot of lead in most of my pieces, & as you said, ya can't have enough spare parts! I'll pick up extras! RodDoc, I'll try your tip, I can get the wedge out easily enough, just that the barrel assembly is locked up tight - again, the gun was won in 1985 & has never been shot or taken apart! Think that the factory grease has varnished & seized after all this time........ but I have bumped this Babe everywhere but your way to no avail! I'lll give her a "Bump" your way this w/e!
To digress just a moment - for Mother's day, my Blushing Bride of almost 26 years said she wanted a home-cooked lobster dinner (done deal!,) & a Yamaha Rhino side x side (knock my happy butt over with a feather!) -been thru all the internet scams & used deals from out of state deals.....now we're looking new for our ranch in the Texas Hill Country.......have you guys seen or checked out the new Can-Am 1000 X's? OMG!!! I'll be shooting hogs with the Walker doing 70 mph!!! Just kidding! I do have a severe hog problem & there's not enough bullets in a sporting goods store to put a dent into them! My Hunters are trying & doing a great job, just that I cannot wait to use that Walker to sting some swine!!!
I'll post another reply Sunday when I try RodDoc's suggestion.
Thanks again to one & all! I really appreciate the advice!!!
John/Houston

 

[arcticap]

Well, we've been looking for someone to sponsor the 1st annual THR black powder forum hog hunt.
Once you get all settled in at the new ranch, we'll all be looking forward to the invite.
Meanwhile leave some of those hogs alive for us!