Kynoch
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I know three people that own/shoot Single Sixes. None of them ever use the .22 mag cylinders. Your mileage may vary...
Uberti's New 12-shot 22LR Single Action Revolver
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I know three people that own/shoot Single Sixes. None of them ever use the .22 mag cylinders. Your mileage may vary...
BCRider
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Some folks will legitimately use the WMR for hunting some varmints or pests on farms or maybe small meat game. But by far the most commonly shot ammo would be the .22LR. I think a lot of folks like the convertable idea but in the end after a box or two of WMR I suspect the .22LR cylinder is left in the gun for the big majority of the time.
If you're sitting there typing the question it's very likely that you won't want to pay the premium cost for the WMR ammo other than the usual couple of boxes to try it. So the Single 10 or some other dedicated .22LR option makes more sense. I know that in my case I'd far rather shoot .38Spl over .22WMR given that they cost pretty close to the same.
If you're sitting there typing the question it's very likely that you won't want to pay the premium cost for the WMR ammo other than the usual couple of boxes to try it. So the Single 10 or some other dedicated .22LR option makes more sense. I know that in my case I'd far rather shoot .38Spl over .22WMR given that they cost pretty close to the same.
Kynoch
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The 12/22 was over a thousand dollars when I looked into one. Almost $1,300 for a nickle plated version.
A good friend of mine bought one. Quality issues. USFA finally replaced it with a completely different centerfire revolver. His problems were similar to this person's journey with USFA which was enough to stop me from buying one: http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php?topic=27169.0 I planned to wait to see if USFA got their act together. Instead they stopped making the 12/22 -- before they stopped making other revolvers. Good luck getting service/parts for your gun. Maybe you can work a trade on a USFA ZiP down the road?
Ruger had not come out with the Single Ten and I find the Single Six rather pedestrian so I waited after I decided to stay away from a potential 12/22 nightmare and bought an S&W 617 instead.
Even though I have reservations about the Single Ten it looks OK. Now that Uberti has created this one I'll wait and see what the actual use feedback is before I make a choice.
You don't know that "Most people do not want a Colt SAA-sized .22LR, let alone a large frame Blackhawk" -- that's simply your opinion. By comparison my S&W 617/6 weighs 44.2 ounces so your 12/22 is hardly heavy -- at least as far as I am concerned.
CraigC
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The problems addressed in that thread are not specific to the 12/22 at all. It is unfortunate but it happens sometimes. It is absolutely NOT typical of USFA's guns or their customer service but I'm glad that your Google-Fu has bestowed such confidence, knowledge and wisdom. Some of us actually do this every day. This is typical of internet nonsense, damn a whole manufacturer and produce line over a one or two bad ones. Apparently you missed the post in that thread where Doc Sunrise said he had SIXTY FIVE USFA's and that they were all excellent.
I don't know where you got your prices from but a blued 12/22 never went over $1000 MSRP and should never sell at MSRP anyway. Yes, the nickel finish carries a hefty premium but that's true of any manufacturer. At any rate, I paid $676 for mine, brand new from Davidson's and my friend paid $500, straight from USFA. Even at full retail, USFA's were a bargain for their quality.
I don't know where you got your prices from but a blued 12/22 never went over $1000 MSRP and should never sell at MSRP anyway. Yes, the nickel finish carries a hefty premium but that's true of any manufacturer. At any rate, I paid $676 for mine, brand new from Davidson's and my friend paid $500, straight from USFA. Even at full retail, USFA's were a bargain for their quality.
No, that's my observation. Judging by words from people's mouths and the fact that they have NEVER been strong sellers. Why do you think Colt only produced a handful of them??? Start a poll if you think the market is frothing for a full sized .22LR SAA then, since you seem to know so much. A rimfire large frame Blackhawk would fail miserably.
BCCL
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If "most" people wanted something, it would be on the market................
Two guns in one...
I have owned my Single Six over a decade and still love it!
However I view the revolver as two guns, sepreate personalitys in one frame!
I use the .22RF for GP shooting, paper punching and used to do some hunting with it.
I use the .22 Mag the same way I use my .38 Special, for paper punching,Long range Plinking and Self Defense. I have never shyed away from the .22WMR as a definate caliber and never shunned it for the additional cost of the ammo. In fact, I think my 6 7/8" Single Six shoots BETTER with the Magnums! On paper I can hold smaller groups and at lng range the flat trajectory ensures hits on small targets and vermin.
WHy buy the revolver if you never planned to use the .22WMR as a seperate gun??? The characteristics of the caliber are so fine and the preformance of the caliber turns the little Ruger into a whole different gun! It preforms much like a centerfire!
I thought that Ruger used to sell a .22RF only Model but maybe not? It would make sense to sell a seperate Model but maybe the manageement chose not to continue. There is a definate market just like theorigonater of this post would buy.
Personally, I have found more use of the Magnum cylinder lately than the RF one. the reasonable cost of WMR these days compared to .357Mags for my Vaquero makes the S/S a real deal to shoot!
JMHO
ZVP
I have owned my Single Six over a decade and still love it!
However I view the revolver as two guns, sepreate personalitys in one frame!
I use the .22RF for GP shooting, paper punching and used to do some hunting with it.
I use the .22 Mag the same way I use my .38 Special, for paper punching,Long range Plinking and Self Defense. I have never shyed away from the .22WMR as a definate caliber and never shunned it for the additional cost of the ammo. In fact, I think my 6 7/8" Single Six shoots BETTER with the Magnums! On paper I can hold smaller groups and at lng range the flat trajectory ensures hits on small targets and vermin.
WHy buy the revolver if you never planned to use the .22WMR as a seperate gun??? The characteristics of the caliber are so fine and the preformance of the caliber turns the little Ruger into a whole different gun! It preforms much like a centerfire!
I thought that Ruger used to sell a .22RF only Model but maybe not? It would make sense to sell a seperate Model but maybe the manageement chose not to continue. There is a definate market just like theorigonater of this post would buy.
Personally, I have found more use of the Magnum cylinder lately than the RF one. the reasonable cost of WMR these days compared to .357Mags for my Vaquero makes the S/S a real deal to shoot!
JMHO
ZVP
I love my single six and wish it was a convertible. I may look for a good, used convertible, just for shooting .22 mag.
I wonder if Ruger would fit a .22 mag cylinder to my late 70s single six?
.22 mag ammo prices are definitely hard to swallow, compared to .22 LR.
Maybe I should just save up for a Single 9.
Can't wait for the current stupidity to end, so prices can get back to a more normal level.
The Uberti 12 shot .22 makes a great understudy for one of their centerfire models. For non-reloaders, its a great way to shoot a gun that has the same size, weight, design, and trigger as their .44/.45/.357/etc, for a lot less money.
I wonder if Ruger would fit a .22 mag cylinder to my late 70s single six?
.22 mag ammo prices are definitely hard to swallow, compared to .22 LR.
Maybe I should just save up for a Single 9.
Can't wait for the current stupidity to end, so prices can get back to a more normal level.
The Uberti 12 shot .22 makes a great understudy for one of their centerfire models. For non-reloaders, its a great way to shoot a gun that has the same size, weight, design, and trigger as their .44/.45/.357/etc, for a lot less money.
Vern Humphrey
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The description of the Horseman, and the price is very tempting. In addition, I'm queer for .45s.
Kynoch
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The problems addressed in that thread are not specific to the 12/22 at all. It is unfortunate but it happens sometimes. It is absolutely NOT typical of USFA's guns or their customer service but I'm glad that your Google-Fu has bestowed such confidence, knowledge and wisdom. Some of us actually do this every day. This is typical of internet nonsense, damn a whole manufacturer and produce line over a one or two bad ones. Apparently you missed the post in that thread where Doc Sunrise said he had SIXTY FIVE USFA's and that they were all excellent.
I don't know where you got your prices from but a blued 12/22 never went over $1000 MSRP and should never sell at MSRP anyway. Yes, the nickel finish carries a hefty premium but that's true of any manufacturer. At any rate, I paid $676 for mine, brand new from Davidson's and my friend paid $500, straight from USFA. Even at full retail, USFA's were a bargain for their quality.
No, that's my observation. Judging by words from people's mouths and the fact that they have NEVER been strong sellers. Why do you think Colt only produced a handful of them??? Start a poll if you think the market is frothing for a full sized .22LR SAA then, since you seem to know so much. A rimfire large frame Blackhawk would fail miserably.
I certainly wouldn't buy a gun from USFA. It sounds like their quality levels were hit and miss. Maybe that's why they abandoned the market?
Nickle finishes do not always come at a super premium price. You're simply wrong about that.
Maybe we should start a poll asking the question of why Uberti recently got into this business?
Kynoch
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I was watching Single 10's on Bud's. Their price was never raised after the massacre but they did finally run out a few days ago.
CraigC
Sixgun Nut
Rumors get started by such ignorant statements. If you want to judge an entire manufacturer's product line, one infamous for producing some of the finest revolvers ever seen, by two problem guns then you are certainly free to do so. However, you will not do so on a public forum without resistance. To judge their quality as "hit and miss" is not only short sighted but gives an unflattering view of your experience with such things. Let's be real, you were never gonna buy one anyway.
Wrong, try again. Maybe you should ask questions instead of making wild guesses and assumptions???
Yes, if a manufacturer offers a bright nickel finish, it is usually a premium over standard finishes like hot salt blue. Matte finishes are a different story because they do not undergo the meticulous prep work before plating. Always been that way. You're simply wrong about that. Both Colt and USFA charge a premium for nickel plating over hot salt blue. Just as the carbona blued Pre-war comes at a premium over the standard single action.
There was an idiot who shot poorly cast bullets through a Freedom Arms 97 and eventually egged out his bore. Bob Baker had never seen anything like it. You gonna judge Freedom Arms as "hit and miss" because of one gun? Or would you rather find out the rest of the story?
Go back 100yrs. Several manufacturers, including Colt, Great Western and J.P. Sauer have produced full sized SAA's chambered in .22LR. All have failed miserably due to poor sales. Why? Because 'most' shooters don't want a .22LR that big and heavy. Meanwhile, millions of Single Sixes and Bearcats have been sold. They vote with their dollars. I'm not saying it's a bad idea, I wouldn't have a 12/22 if I thought so. The reality is that most shooters don't want one.
Not everybody woke up this morning and decided to start reading about single action revolvers on the internet.
PS, you said in another thread that the 12/22 you looked at was $750, not $1000.
Chevelle SS
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Where do I sign?
Kynoch
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I wouldn't buy from USFA for a number of reasons. They have given up on more than one product line. They have announced more than one vaporware product. Then there are the quality issues. Now they're not around in their former presence to support what they have sold. Maybe they'll give you on a discount on a ZiP if you run into troubles?
FWIW, I simply deleted your rude ad hominems throughout your retort.
Wow, you're really softening yout language from "Yes, the nickel finish carries a hefty premium but that's true of any manufacturer."
A price adder? Yes. A "hefty premium" nope. Thought you sold that one, aye?
Someone should have told Uberti, huh?
Yes, a used one. Probably had quality issues as well.
CraigC
Sixgun Nut
If my response is perceived as rude it is because your accusations are unfounded, baseless and irresponsible. Period. You are judging a very well respected company by one or two problem guns and that is not a fair assessment. You obviously woke up one morning and decided to become a single action expert that day after exercising your Google-Fu. I would suggest asking more questions and making fewer statements because you obviously do not know what you're talking about. The two examples you found are VERY rare. In fact, I have never, up to this point, heard of such a problem with a USFA sixgun and I do this every day. Plus, I actually own four of them and they are among the finest single action revolvers ever built.
They have abandoned all single action production because the president is a flake.
If you really knew anything about this subject you would know that product support is not an issue either.
If you found a used 12/22 for $750 then that gun was overpriced. Unless it was nickel.
Yes, I'm sure the folks at Uberti know that full sized .22 SAA's have never sold very well. Like I just said, I'm not saying it's a bad idea. I'm just saying they have never sold very well. You can get butt-hurt over that if you want to but it is undeniable fact. In 26yrs of owning, shooting, studying and talking about single action revolvers, the overwhelming consensus is that very few want a .22LR that heavy.
They have abandoned all single action production because the president is a flake.
If you really knew anything about this subject you would know that product support is not an issue either.
If you found a used 12/22 for $750 then that gun was overpriced. Unless it was nickel.
Yes, I'm sure the folks at Uberti know that full sized .22 SAA's have never sold very well. Like I just said, I'm not saying it's a bad idea. I'm just saying they have never sold very well. You can get butt-hurt over that if you want to but it is undeniable fact. In 26yrs of owning, shooting, studying and talking about single action revolvers, the overwhelming consensus is that very few want a .22LR that heavy.
CraigC
Sixgun Nut
Yes, definitely junk, don't buy one.
BCCL
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^That is one fine sixgun!
CraigC
Sixgun Nut
Thank you sir!
Kynoch
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Has anyone here actually fired the Uberti 12 shooter yet? I sure wish hickok45 would get his hands on one...
RugerOldArmy
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Those USFAs look awesome. They make good stuff.
....but I'd replace the grips with rosewood/cocobolo ones as soon as I could. Are they plastic?
....but I'd replace the grips with rosewood/cocobolo ones as soon as I could. Are they plastic?
Vern Humphrey
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Holee Smoke! You can buy a genuine Colt for that!
jimbo555
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I have the Uberti stallion 10 shot 22lr and the quality is excellent.Mine is the target model with 51/2 inch barrel and adjustable sights.I'm very pleased with it.
Vern Humphrey
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No. But then no one but Colt makes a gun with a pony on it.
CraigC
Sixgun Nut
You can buy a "genuine Colt" (like that means something to everybody) for $1200 but it won't be a 12-shot .22 so how is that relevant??? I could've bought a "genuine Colt" instead of the USFA .44Spl pictured but it would be an inferior sixgun with a modern finish. Who cares about a name if you can buy a better gun for less money??? I'm just really glad I'm not so blinded by that stupid horse on the side of 'some' guns that I overlook obvious differences in build quality.
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