ugh... I cant decide

[axeman_g]

Ok, I have a hole in my shotun collection. I am currently carrying 2 16g shotties and moving a 20g that does not work for me. I am loking for a good trap gun that might, I am stressing MIGHT, see some waterfowl shooting next season. I hunt upland and bunnies with my A5 only and I dont like using it on the ranges to keep the wear and tear down.

I have been looking at the Stoeger M2000, the Mossberg 930 and a Browning BPS. All in 28" barrel version. Of course the BPS is a much nicer looking gun, with the Mossy and Stoeger being more utilitatrian. Both the Mossy and the BPS are lefty friendly, which is important to me. Both the Stoeger and the BPS fit me and feel really good in the hand and the swing. Both sight plains are perfectly level with receiver-bead being in one plane. The mossy is much bulkier and feels it, but the fit is also good.

All are about the same price, 400-450. I am leaning towards one, but you all give me some facts and opinions.

 

[Omaha-BeenGlockin]

Out of those listed---BPS----the other 2 are Turkish junk.

 

[axeman_g]

mossberg 930 is Turkish junk?

(Doning flame retardant suit) This will be a good one.

 

[Oldnamvet]

Just wait until Smitty in Ct hears that one.
My stoeger condor was made in Brazil BTW.
And my 930 works just fine and is far from "junk".
I also have a BPS. All are good guns but comparing a pump with autoloaders is difficult. The BPS does have a glossier finish and deeper blueing. I have heard that the deeper blueing isn't always the case anymore. Mine is about 10 years old.

 

[Snarlingiron]

You mention three very different shotguns. A Pump, a gas operated auto loader, and an Inertia operated auto loader.

I have a Stoeger M2000, and love it. I have only fired about 350 rounds through it, but so far, no problems. For $399.00 it is a good auto loading shotgun regardless of where it was made. That would be Turkey, BTW. I have heard very little negative about the Mossberg, although I have not personally shot one.

The Browning is of course a great gun, but it isn't really a fair comparison with the 2 autos.

For trap, the Mossberg, being a gas operated gun should shoot softer than the other 2 you mention. Even if you are not recoil sensitive, and I am not particularly, you will probably find the gas gun more comfortable to shoot for 150 rounds or so, at a stretch, than the other two. Just my opinion. Everybody has one, and they are pretty much all different.

 

[evbutler462]

Omaha, you definitely are not opinionated, are you?

Please post some evidence to back up your statement that the 2000 is Turkish junk when Benelli admits that the 2000 gets less returns for service than their $1000+ semiautos. Since Vursan went to CNC machining, Benelli and Franchi use Vursan actions in their semis.

IMO, the main reason the 2000s have a better track record is because they use the 3" short action and the Benelli uses the 3.5" action. Both made in Turkey. The 2000 is assembled in Turkey using Italian and Turkish parts, including the Vursan action and Beretta made barrels. The Benellis (and Franchi inertia drivens) are assembled in Italy utilizing the Turkish made Vursan action.

The theory that Turkish made guns are junk is quickly becoming history, especially at the Vursan plant that uses the latest state of the art CNC machinery. I have had good experiences with the two 2000s that I own. The actions made by Vursan in the last two years are as good as can be found anywhere, IMHO.

I recollect in my youth that anything made in Japan was junk. It really was. Then Japan woke up to reality and their firearms are on par with guns made anywhere, quality and reliability wise and have been for the past 30 years or so.

Vursan has done the right thing in modernizing their plants and installing state of the art CNC tooling. The days of being Turkish guns being called junk are fast ending as their products are proving themselves slowly but surely to be on par with other gun manufacturers. Not all Turkish plants have CNC technology. However, we are concentrating on the 2000 which you critiqued as Turkish junk.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Mossberg is made in the US and is not Turkish junk. It is a very good shorgun that incorporates the best features of several of the best semiautos ever made. Please do your research before posting such allegations.

It just might save you from some embarrassment.

 

[sm]

BPS.

Good looking gun, proven, and on a trap field and for waterfowl I like the design better.

 

[Marshall]

I don't have first hand experience with the other two but, I do with the BPS.

The BPS is a great pump gun, for that matter, a great shotgun period.

You mentioned it fit you best, along with the Stoeger. Then the Mossy should be out for that reason. As for the other two, do you want a pump or semi-auto?

Personally, I have a hard time not buying Browning when they have something in my price range and it fits what I'm looking for. Note: I have a lot of Browning firearms so I'm somewhat biased. I imagine the Stoeger is a fine firearm, the folks that have it seem to like it. I just don't have any experience with it.

 

[axeman_g]

Considering how much I love my A5 and how much I regret selling a light12 a5 a few years back, you would think I would be falling all over myself to buy the BPS. But for some reason I cant explain I was waffling over this decision all day. Well, I think a drank some sense into myself tonight and have decided to get the BPS. Dont know why I would fool with a unknown commodity like the Stoeger or tempt myself with an unwieldy feeling club.

I will let you all know how it works out.

 

[sm]

Feb. 29, and leap years cause brain farts.

This won't happen again for some years, so you are safe for awhile. *smile*

 

[axeman_g]

I wish...brain farts are a recurring issue in this house.