UK Cops want bigger guns!

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The British government has passed some of the most draconian anti-self defense laws in the world. This was done, of course, to protect its people agianst crime.

But the Yorkshire police need to switch from submachine guns to assault rifles? :confused:

See the original at Yorkshire Today.
 
The weapons the force wants to acquire will use smaller bullets, which travel through the air more quickly than those used by the existing 9mm Heckler and Koch guns, potentially achieving greater accuracy.
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A review of those weapons has been carried out recently to assess their effectiveness.
Both have been in service for some time and the carbines have been regarded as so effective that target practice routines were made more difficult to take account of their ease of use.
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Since the force was formed in 1974 the only time anyone has been shot by officers was during an incident in Athersley, Barnsley, when officers were confronted by a man with a shotgun.
He was shot by a detective inspector, although the bullet hit his hand and caused relatively minor injuries.
So we need better weapons because the current ones we have are so easy to use we had to make target practice harder and we need more powerful weapons because we've only had to use them once and they were effective. :scrutiny:

There has been a steep rise in the number of occasions where firearms officers have to be deployed in South Yorkshire in recent years.
Most of those are false alarms, including incidents where worried members of the public have mistaken airguns or ball-bearing guns for more dangerous firearms but there has been an increase in incidents where criminals have been willing to both carry and use weapons.

But they outlawed firearms in England, you mean, criminals aren't following the laws? I'm shocked. :banghead:
 
I know you guys are new and all

but the way to do it is put the article up as well because links do go bad

Police seek more powerful gunsPOLICE in South Yorkshire could soon be issued with more powerful and accurate guns.

The weapons the force wants to acquire will use smaller bullets, which travel through the air more quickly than those used by the existing 9mm Heckler and Koch guns, potentially achieving greater accuracy.
Because the guns are also more powerful they would give officers a possible advantage of overcoming the protective qualities of body armour which criminals might choose to use.
That means the force will also have to invest in changes at its outdoor shooting range in Sprotborough, Doncaster, where officers attached to its Firearms Support Group train.
At present, the main weapons available to officers in the unit – and the armed response vehicles that patrol the county around the clock – are the similar but more dated Heckler and Koch carbines and Smith and Wesson revolvers.
A review of those weapons has been carried out recently to assess their effectiveness.
Both have been in service for some time and the carbines have been regarded as so effective that target practice routines were made more difficult to take account of their ease of use.
However, an investigation suggested that the force would benefit from a change to a different version of the gun, using a 5.56mm bullet instead.
The more modern G36C weapon uses the same calibre of bullet adopted by the British Army more than a decade ago, to replace a more bulky round.
The police research suggested the Smith and Wesson handguns should be retained, however.
There has been a steep rise in the number of occasions where firearms officers have to be deployed in South Yorkshire in recent years.
Most of those are false alarms, including incidents where worried members of the public have mistaken airguns or ball-bearing guns for more dangerous firearms but there has been an increase in incidents where criminals have been willing to both carry and use weapons.
Most of those are described as "targeted" shootings by senior officers, meaning they are committed by criminals against specific adversaries.
But armed officers are despatched to all incidents where guns are reported.
If the South Yorkshire Police Authority agrees to buying the new weapons, which will cost more than £60,000 in total, when it meets today it will also mean some knock-on spending at its shooting range.
A new "ballistic canopy" will be needed at one of the ranges to take account of the new ammunition being fired.
At the same time, the force wants to make other improvements at the range, at an isolated former quarry.
That would involve installing a new double-gate entrance and boundary fencing and also the installation of a new classroom and improvement work to the driveway.
In total, those costs are expected to add around £120,000 more to the overall bill.
South Yorkshire Police has an impeccable record on its use of firearms.
Since the force was formed in 1974 the only time anyone has been shot by officers was during an incident in Athersley, Barnsley, when officers were confronted by a man with a shotgun.
He was shot by a detective inspector, although the bullet hit his hand and caused relatively minor injuries.
That was before the formation of the current Firearms Support Group.
The ultimate aim is always to avoid police having to discharge weapons and there are now other non-lethal alternatives available, including Taser pistols which can disable the target by launching a powerful electric charge through a wire attached to a dart.
16 February 2007
 
the inspector is quite a shot!

He was shot by a detective inspector, although the bullet hit his hand and caused relatively minor injuries.

& the inspector was forever known as "Lone Ranger" for his abillity to shoot the gun out of the hands of baddies.
 
I'm suprised. Most forced are using Glock 17s or SIG P226s for their sidearm (and MP5s for main arms), and have dedicated rifle units using G36Ks or SIG 552s. The Metropolitan police (London police) use G36Cs normally with the standard optics-carry-handle-thingy attached. I didn't realise any forces were still routinely using revolvers.

All of these are semi-auto only. They can pull out select-fire versions for planned operations but they never do as they're trained to double-tap.

This is, however, an enormous waste of tax payer's money.
 
Sounds like a waste of money, 210 thousand pounds for weapons upgrades, when they don't need upgrades, because they have shot one man in the last 33 years. They want 5.56 AP ammo to counter body armor that criminals might take to wearing. This makes no sense, I would see a strong argument if crime was high, but it isn't, they have MP-5s and S&Ws, they are armed well enough to deal with most threats that they may face.
 
From what I know from an online friend in the ARU, the Scottish ARUs have had G36K/c variants for about two years now.

They're using the semi-auto "S/F" trigger group variant, but from what I saw a while ago, it's unmistakeably a G36 series.

A month ago, I saw a picture of armed police outside a nuclear plant, with "S/F" MP7A1 variants.

Personally, I can understand the "want" for them, but I don't think it's totally necessary.
 
Because the guns are also more powerful they would give officers a possible advantage of overcoming the protective qualities of body armour which criminals might choose to use.

Ridiculous. Just make body armor illegal to own for anyone save the police and military and then criminals won't be able to use it! Problem solved! :rolleyes:

jm
 
Really, they are just kind of re-arranging the chairs on the Titanic.

Britian is on the skids. They have made such a farce of their own laws, taken away all rights, spied on every street corner, tapped ever phone, banned all forms of self defense, and they still can't get a handle on crime. I mean a super police state that would make Stalin green with envy. But they are so ineffiecent they still arn't worth spit.

I say give them the guns cause it won't matter one wit.
 
Let me get this straight, this is Yorkshire, which is in the UK.

The same UK which has Restricted folks from having guns and knives that lock and have blades greater than 3" in length.

Yorkshire is concerned about BGs with guns, wearing body armor and all - am I correct so far?

No, Yorkshire cannot have new toys. I figure if Yorkshire wants new toys, they can get them the same way criminals get them. Why?

1. Citizens do not need to pay for these new toys, they are paying daily with their lives at stake, not being able to defend themselves due to restrictions.

2.Yorkshire and UK as a whole, having to get these new toys like "everyone else" might get a grasp on Reality, that just because something is restricted, does not mean criminals are NOT going to get them anyway.

3. Restricting Law Abiding Citizens of Rights only hinders the law abiding and not the criminal.

Yorkshire cannot carry any locking knives, with blades over 3" in length either.

WWBHD
What would Benny Hill Do
 
In Yorkshire they already have access to firearm teams with usually the Glock 17 and Mp5s though they can call in specialists with the following firearms.

G36K
G3K
Benali M3 shotguns
Accuracy International AW in .308 and .338 lapua

Whatmore do they need in most circumstances?

Oh and heres a nice article back from 2004 when CO19 from London won the sniper competition against 44 other teams from around the world's militaries.

http://www.met.police.uk/job/job935/live_files/4.htm
 
You can't make this stuff up!!

The UK is no better than the USA. The people can't carry guns but the police want bigger guns!!

Reminds me of NY City a while back. The NYPD wanted to change over from .38 revolvers to higher cap semi-autos but the Mayor's Office was always against it. The BG's had better guns than the police but the Mayor's Office didn't care UNTIL the Union realized the Police Officers who were assigned as Bodyguards to the Mayor were carrying semi-autos with high-cap mags. Well, if the revolvers are good enough for the cop on the street why did the Mayor's Detail need "better" guns. Since the Mayor didn't want to have his Bodyguards protecting him with "only revolvers" the rank-in-file were allowed to upgrade.

I think I got the story correct, it was a while ago during the David Dinkins Administration.
 
The same UK which has Restricted folks from having guns and knives that lock and have blades greater than 3" in length. Yorkshire is concerned about BGs with guns, wearing body armor and all - am I correct so far?

It's not the serf sheeple that are the problem. It's all the followers of the religion of peace that are preparing for jihad in Londonistan. It's just a matter of time. Imagine a terrorist attack like the one in Utah occurring in London. With a couple of shooters with AK's and body armor, the death toll could be hundreds. Londonistan, currently, is at the center of most European terrorism planning and support activity.
 
Yep, it comes into force in April.

I think I might have to look at trains to Kirkcaldy to get to The Fort (the Airsoft site).

A few of the groups on Arnies asked the "real steel" gun groups for help, but were pretty much told to "get over it" and accept that they'd have to get transparent guns.

Thankfully, the Association of British Airsoft is getting a defense. Not the exemption that they deserved, but close enough, aided by the Arnies members.
 
"Since the force was formed in 1974 the only time anyone has been shot by officers was during an incident in Athersley, Barnsley, when officers were confronted by a man with a shotgun."

They must be highly trained in showing up after TSHTF.
With Britians crime rate they should trip and fall over more BGs than that.
 
It's not the serf sheeple that are the problem. It's all the followers of the religion of peace that are preparing for jihad in Londonistan. It's just a matter of time. Imagine a terrorist attack like the one in Utah occurring in London. With a couple of shooters with AK's and body armor, the death toll could be hundreds. Londonistan, currently, is at the center of most European terrorism planning and support activity.

Note the difference between the US and the UK: Muslim Americans are actually treated like Americans, live in integrated communities, and assimilate just fine.

Of course, if certain American twits want to isolate, ghettoize, and reject Muslim Americans, we can start being surprised when they "fail to assimilate" into American society.

Imagine a terrorist attack like the one in Utah

You mean the mentally-disturbed refugee who managed to kill all of four people with a "my gun is just for duck hunting" Rem870? Yeah, real master plan there, no doubt planned in detail 20yrs back by the Ayatollah Khomeini himself.

Good thing the keen eyes of keyboardists (not to mention their in-depth Wikipedia-based knowledge of world politics and religion) have uncovered that conspiracy. Quick comrades, grab your torches: auslander raus!

-MV
 
CDignition said:
I thought the police there didn't even have guns (Or is that just the London Bobbies?). Maybe in other provinces they have different rules.

Most police officers don't carry or use firearms.

But all forces have some armed officers, for "just in case" purposes.

And the big cities typically have some armed officers on patrol in vehicles, as they are more likely to have to call on them.

There are also armed officers (normally with MP5s) outside Downing Street, at major airports, etc. And after the July 7th bombings, they were all over the place in London, at least for a while.
 
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