UK violent crime at highest level ever...

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... and the same goes for gun crime, even though all those mean, nasty handguns and assault weapons are illegal!

From the Telegraph, London (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...e21.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/07/21/ixhome.html):

Reports of violent crime rise to the highest level since Labour was elected

By John Steele, Home Affairs Correspondent

(Filed: 21/07/2005)

Violent crime recorded by police has risen to its highest level since Tony Blair came to power, Home Office figures showed yesterday.

The sharpest increase is in injuries inflicted by low-level thuggery.


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The trend in offences of violence that victims regard as important enough to report to police is now at around twice the 1998 level.

Yesterday's figures for the year 2004-2005 show that there were 1,185,702 offences of violent crime - nearly 100,000 per month and up from 1.109 million the previous year, the first year in which overall violence topped a million offences.

Those figures include robbery and sexual attacks. The total for the "violence against the person" category, which is measured separately from rape and robbery, rose by eight per cent to 1,035,046, the first time it has gone over one million.

The Home Office said that the figures could be explained in part by the continuing impact of recent changes in the way crime was recorded. But it conceded that police were uncovering more low-level violence in towns and cities, which it said was in part because of the "more proactive policing of violent problems". Police believe that much of the low-level violence is alcohol-related.

The bulk of offences of violence against the person last year involved offences outside the category of "more serious" violence, which rose only slightly, by three per cent.

There were 490,500 "other offences against a person, with injury" - a 13 per cent rise on the previous year to an average of more than 1,300 a day.

There were 472,400 offences of lesser violence with no injury, a fall of one per cent from last year.

The most violent police force areas in which to live last year - measured by recorded violence offences per 1,000 population - were the Metropolitan Police area (34), Humberside (30) and Merseyside (28).

The figures also show that gun crime rose last year, after levelling out several years ago. There are now nearly 11,000 firearms offences a year, or about 30 a day. There was a slight increase in the number of homicides involving guns.

As in previous years, the statistics on violence have contrasted with police recorded crime statistics for England and Wales, which show crime falling from 5.93 million offences in 2003-2004 to 5.56 million last year, a drop of six per cent.

Domestic burglary fell by 20 per cent and thefts of and from vehicles was down by 17 per cent.

Police detections of crimes they recorded rose from 23 per cent to 26 per cent.

The Home Office report, Crime in England and Wales, places emphasis on the other measure of crime, the British Crime Survey, which asks the public aged 16 and over about its experiences of crime, rather than offences brought to the attention of police.

Under previous administrations, the crime survey, which has shown higher levels of offences, was generally regarded as supplementary to the recorded statistics.

However, in recent years, it has generally shown steeper falls than recorded crime and has become more attractive to ministers under pressure on crime and disorder.

The survey shows a fall in overall crime of seven per cent last year, and a long-term decline in levels of violence, which it said last year had dropped by seven per cent.

Charles Clarke, the Home Secretary, said: "Although the British Crime Survey records an 11 per cent decrease in violent crime, I recognise that this remains an issue of concern and the increase in police recorded violent crime contributes significantly to the fear of crime."
 

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The problem is too many farmers with shotguns, no doubt. They need a true, total ban on firearms. Though likely we're just seeing a right-wing conspiracy to hide the fact that gun control really works. It's Bush's fault! :neener:
 
" News Release: All London News Outlets: "Once the Kings Army finishes going house to house confiscating all firearms, Code Named: "The Final Solution to the Firearm Problem", all crime will be oficially illegal throught Her Majesty's Kingdom."
 
They are now banning the sale of deactivated guns and 'realistic looking' replicas. The ban is being pushed for by gun control advocates who I guess plan to keep pushing for more laws until eventually it's illegal to own anything except fluffy pink blankets.
 
What are you? Some kind of pink fluffy blanket fanatic?

People SUFFOCATE on fluffy blankets, nothing but percale sheets of 200 thread count or less (for breathing porosity) should be allowed for bed linen.
 
Before this goes too far you'd better understand I'm keeping my tea cozy-public safety be damned.
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"nothing but percale sheets of 200 thread count or less (for breathing porosity) should be allowed for bed linen."

And don't forget the sleep safety helmets.

rr
 
I told my mom I wanted to learn to knit. She asked me whatever for? I told her I thought it'd be nice to have some gun cozys for when company comes to visit.

:evil:

She declined to teach me.
 
Huh. Well, according to (http://www.travelblog.org/World/uk-ppl.html), the population of Britain is 60,270,708. That gives us a rate (per 100,000) of:

Violence Against Person - 1717.3
Sexual Offence - 101.0
Robbery - 147.2
Total Violent Crime - 1966.2
Domestic buglary - 533.4
Other buglary - 594.8
Theft of/from vehicle - 1225.3
Other theft - 2138.7
Fraud/Forgery - 462.8
Criminal damage - 1966.8
Drug offence - 219.5
Other Offence - 106.0
Total - 9229.6

In contrast, from (http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm), the 2000 US crime rates show:
Violent Crime: 506.1
Property Crime: 3617.9
Murder: 5.5
Rape: 32
Robbery: 144.9
Aggravated Assault: 323.6
Burglary: 728.4
Larceny-Theft: 2550.7
Vehicle Theft: 414.2

Now I'm not exactly sure how each of those crimes are tallied; for example it's possible that one group doesn't consider one form of violent crime that another tally does. I have trouble finding something (or a combination of things) missing from these figures that would completely account for the fact that the rate of violent crime is four times higher in the UK than it is in America though.
 
I have a question for someone in Britain that got the attention of me and some people I know. Do you still have regular sharp scissors, or do you have to use those cheap safety scissors that little kids use so they don't hurt themselves?
 
Huh. Well, according to (http://www.travelblog.org/World/uk-ppl.html), the population of Britain is 60,270,708. That gives us a rate (per 100,000) of:

Violence Against Person - 1717.3
Sexual Offence - 101.0
Robbery - 147.2
Total Violent Crime - 1966.2
Domestic buglary - 533.4
Other buglary - 594.8
Theft of/from vehicle - 1225.3
Other theft - 2138.7
Fraud/Forgery - 462.8
Criminal damage - 1966.8
Drug offence - 219.5
Other Offence - 106.0
Total - 9229.6

In contrast, from (http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm), the 2000 US crime rates show:
Violent Crime: 506.1
Property Crime: 3617.9
Murder: 5.5
Rape: 32
Robbery: 144.9
Aggravated Assault: 323.6
Burglary: 728.4
Larceny-Theft: 2550.7
Vehicle Theft: 414.2

Now I'm not exactly sure how each of those crimes are tallied; for example it's possible that one group doesn't consider one form of violent crime that another tally does. I have trouble finding something (or a combination of things) missing from these figures that would completely account for the fact that the rate of violent crime is four times higher in the UK than it is in America though.

Right. Well, the Home Office explains very clearly that what you see is an optical illusion created by improved crime reporting and better policing. So you see that there's really no problem or, if there is one, it will be resolved eventually by the decrease in citizens once the crime reporting and policing really get into full stride.
 
So Where's the usual apologists for Jolly ole' England

There's only so long you can use the excuse "It's because we are reporting it different"... Isn't it trending up even in relation to the past years that have been using the new reporting "system"? I for one am really actually HAPPY that England is serving as the "experimental" group while we are the "control" group. At least we can see through them WHY WE DON'T WANNA FOLLOW IN THEIR FOOTSTEPS. Hmmm... I guess our Founding Fathers new what they were doing... Looks like we should still base our lessons on the failures of our ancestors (even their current failures) :D
 
El T

LOL I was actually looking for Agri-vating-cola (said with nothing but love for ya fella :cool: ) and his buddy to give the usual... LOL. despite their view of reality it is interesting to hear their arguments :) and I do think they keep the conversation lively.

(Hmmm haven't seen them in awhile now that I think of it... :confused: )
 
Total Violent Crime - 1966.2 per 100,000

Just for the sake of comparison Baltimore (the most dangerous city over 500,000 people) has a total violent crime of 1839 per 100,000 based on the prelimary FBI crime report for 2004.

This makes england look very safe :)

As for all of america as best I could tell it is 239 violent crimes per 100,000 at least for the reporting area which contained any city over 10,000.

Chris
 
Actually that is what I found most interesting about the statistics. Rather dramatic decreases in most categories, but the increase in "violent" crime. Does not seem to fit with our experiences. In most cases here, when concerted efforts have been made to curtail low level crime, ALL crime levels tend to go down (see example of New York under Gulliani.)

So, our British friends, any idea why this strange phenomenon?
 
"This does not mean we should all be quaking in our beds. Most crime has always gone undetected and unrecorded, and probably always will do." -because after all, ignorance is bliss :D

Look, if ya gotta keep trying to find ways to play with the numbers then something is wrong. sounds like someone is trying to find a way to prove their point. Either way the numbers are high. Just stop the madness and realize that there will never EVER be enough police and just let people protect themselves. Life is always going to be a full contact sport. Come to terms with it. :banghead:
 
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