Ultimate .38 Spl To Own (If You Could Only Have One)

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From you have read, of course. Unless you have that experience and can expound on it…please. :cool:

To be honest I have read similar things and I don’t go too crazy shooting my Colt Detective Special because finding a knowledgeable smith is pretty hard…or I should say “knowledgeable smith that has time to get your gun back to you in a reasonable time.”

Edit: I forgot to add that I am not convinced the smith that installed my new mainspring really knew much about Colt’s revolvers and how they should function. Mine fires okay but has a mushy-ness to it in double action.

I too would like to hear Mr Mosin first hand experience with Colt revolvers. How about it Dan? And no, quoting what you have read on the internet does not count as first hand experience.

I had a Colt Dick Special and to me the trigger felt like something on a toy gun. It was weak and sort of flopped around. I even took it to the local gun store and they said it was normal. I sold it on GB for a nice profit and I guess the seller was happy with it. I never heard a thing from him. But the hammer had such low impact I wasn't sure it would even set a round off.

But my dad had a 1917 Colt from WWI that felt totally different. He bought it at Leonards Farm & Ranch out of a 55 gallon barrel full of them. Two barrels really. He dug around until he found the one he wanted and we went to the counter and paid for it. The price...$6. I kid you not. But that was around 1963-64. I still can't understand why he didn't buy me one. After all I was 6 years old and already had a Red Rider BB gun. A 45 acp Colt would have been a fine compliment to the rifle. That Colt was the first handgun I ever fired. I still remember it like it was 58 years ago.:D
 
Like quite a few here, I'm willing to sacrifice some muzzle velocity, sight radius, and an extra round for the handiness and concealability of a J-frame snub-nose.

Even given that, I'm left with a bit of a Sophie's Choice...

It might have to be a coin flip between a no-dash .38-only trigger-tuned Model 640 (top photo, bottom revolver) and a Model 638 (lower photo). Both handle like a dream. :)

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@ThomasT such a renowned company doesn't get such a reputation for no good reason. Even Grant Cunningham opines in a roundabout way that Colt's need more, and regular maintenance due to their method of construction.

https://www.grantcunningham.com/2006/05/is-the-colt-python-revolver-delicate/

OK in post #73 you were asked to Expound on your Colt experience and I seconded the same thing in post #78. Believe it or not we have all read about the supposed weakness of Colt revolvers. So once again stop quoting people you don't know and have never met. Tell us about your Real World experience. And this is your thread on "38 Special Only" revolvers. Not Colt Pythons in 357 magnum. Did you forget?

If you don't like Colts its simple. Don't buy Colts. Now wasn't that easy?
 
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ThomasT,

Regarding Colt revolvers vs. Smith revolvers.
The Colts can easily handle the cartridges they are
designed around, no doubt about that. But
the differences between the two makes is in the
lockworks. We are speaking of the Colts
pre-current production.

From my experience, the Smith lockwork is
superior, especially when the guns are used
extensively in double action.

For instance, the bolt/cylinder stop on the older
Colts is a true Rube Goldberg design, a long
armature/lever that extends back near the grip
area to forward of the recoil shield. It's held by
a screw which easily comes loose, tying up the
gun. Today, the new Colt revolvers have a
bolt/cylinder stop EXACTLY like that of Smith
revolvers going back a century. And the
old Colt hand design, which provided a tight
and very positive lock up of the cylinder upon
firing, also wore easily under extensive DA
shooting, the lock up then deteriorating. The
V-spring (now 2018/20 "U-spring") which powers
the hammer and trigger is quite problematic.
 
Almost makes you wonder why anyone would be crazy enough to even consider a Colt double action.
Call me crazy. But what do I know? Having only been shooting them for more than fifty years (and I'm pretty sure I'm not the Lone Ranger on this forum in that regard).
Except that when it *does* go out of time (not *if*, but *when*), you're gonna pay out the rear for a gunsmith who knows what they're doing to retime it. And it probably won't be all that long either.

And before anyone chimes in with "I've shot a ba-jillion rounds through XXX Colt double action" remember: in everything there is the rule, and then there is the exception... *you* are the exception.
I am the exception, and I am personally acquainted, and shoot regularly with, a couple of other exceptions (I have an acquaintance, wish he was a friend, who owns at least fifteen or so older Colt revolvers, including three Pythons and a couple Diamondbacks).

One should also note that virtually all of the criticism on Colt's revolver mechanism is based on the old Python's V-spring mechanism. At least with the advent of the New Python, we've finally solved that "issue."

Peter M. Eick, a noted long-time member of TFL and this forum (although we haven't heard from him since 2016?) once mentioned that he'd fired 41,149 rounds before the spring from the hand broke on his Diamondback. He also noted that his Diamondback was his only centerfire handgun for years and took a lot of abuse. So there's one benchmark round count.

TFL used to have threads on Colt revolver maintenance crop up regularly, which typically spawned a lot of arguments. However, those that came down on the side of Colts were those that owned them and shot them regularly. Seems a lot of forums have Colt "experts" without any ownership experience regularly expounding on the perceived weaknesses of Colt's revolvers. Interestingly enough, many of these same individuals seem to be dedicated S&W or Ruger fanboys. Well, anyway, a lot of the younger folks nowadays seem to get all of their information on the internet. I'm gonna side with the oldsters who have actual, meaningful experiences with a given firearm.

All this said, however, there is one very real problem extant: there are very, very few gunsmiths remaining in this country who are qualified and experienced enough to work on the old Colt revolvers. Which reminds me, need to contact Cylinder and Slide to see if they still work on old Colts.
 
Good explanation, Ed.

LEOs here understood that. but in the old days.the guns could regularly be serviced.
 
All this said, however, there is one very real problem extant: there are very, very few gunsmiths remaining in this country who are qualified and experienced enough to work on the old Colt revolvers.

Sounds like a great opportunity for a young entrepreneur that is willing to dive in and master a trade.
There are a whole lot of old Colts out there and there will be for a very long time.
 
Well, the majority, the overwhelming majority
in this thread chose S&W K-frames and in
particular the Combat Masterpiece/Model 15
and the Model 67.

This is absolute proof just really how gun
savvy and intelligent the revolver folks are
on this forum.
 
Right now I am the high bidder on a Colt Official Police 38. I doubt I will win it. I bid what I thought was a fair price but you never know how bad someone else wants something so I expect to get outbid. I guess I will know in 8 days. I prefer S&W and Ruger but am not opposed to owning a Colt. In the unlikely event I win the bid I will make a thread on it.

I have so many handguns now I don't think I could ever shoot it enough to wear it out to the point of needing any adjustments. Right now the gun is in like new condition. And no I won't baby it with light loads. It will fed the whole range of target full power 38 special loads. Its about time I owned a Colt.

And I have a model 67 on my watch list. Just in case I miss the Colt.
 
If you could only have one .38 Spl revolver, to do anything you wanted to do in your day to day life; what would it be, and why ?

I would want a S&W 15 snub nose square butt revolver like @Great Scot has as seen here.

Why? Retro awesomeness. A square butt on a 2" barrel revolver seems contradictory, but the model 15 snubby pulls it off so damn well.
 
Eenie, meenie...
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Lost in all the Smith and Wesson fanboyism is the fact that, historically, Colt revolvers were always priced considerably higher than comparable Smith offerings, resulting in the proliferation in S&W guns among the typically low-paid law enforcement folks and the general citizenry. It absolutely has nothing to do with how "gun savvy" and "intelligent" that internet forum members are (although, I would agree that generally speaking, the revolver guys are far more gun savvy and intelligent than, for example, the admirers of certain brands that shall not be named, in the interest of peace, harmony, goodwill, unicorns, rainbows and butterflies).
 
In my admittedly limited experience what works best for me is a K frame 4" fixed sight or adjustable sight, lock or no lock. I'm assuming "ultimate" definition would include multi-purpose gun. "Ultimate" would have to be my newly acquired Model 15-2 but the Model 10s and 64 are hard to beat for my purposes. Plus my LE trade in Model 10s and 64 were the least expensive guns I've bought($300-336). They just feel like the right weight, balance and easy to shoot. FIL was low paid state trooper back in 1967 and he chose a Colt. I still shoot it and no repairs have been needed. It's got a trigger like nothing I've felt on any other revolver, it's amazing.
 
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Right now I am the high bidder on a Colt Official Police 38. I doubt I will win it. I bid what I thought was a fair price but you never know how bad someone else wants something so I expect to get outbid. I guess I will know in 8 days. I prefer S&W and Ruger but am not opposed to owning a Colt. In the unlikely event I win the bid I will make a thread on it.

I have so many handguns now I don't think I could ever shoot it enough to wear it out to the point of needing any adjustments. Right now the gun is in like new condition. And no I won't baby it with light loads. It will fed the whole range of target full power 38 special loads. Its about time I owned a Colt.

And I have a model 67 on my watch list. Just in case I miss the Colt.

Good luck on the Colt, but if that does t pan out I’m sure you could suffer terribly with the 67. In my opinion the 67 is just the Goldilocks 38 in the 4”. I wanted a 4” heavy barrel target 38 for years just to shoot and lucked into mine. It is everything I had hoped for, and being a no dash, it is even more than I hoped for. It goes to my youngest son when I’m gone and he already treasures it like I do, so I couldn’t be happier.
 
Eenie, meenie...
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Lost in all the Smith and Wesson fanboyism is the fact that, historically, Colt revolvers were always priced considerably higher than comparable Smith offerings, resulting in the proliferation in S&W guns among the typically low-paid law enforcement folks and the general citizenry. It absolutely has nothing to do with how "gun savvy" and "intelligent" that internet forum members are (although, I would agree that generally speaking, the revolver guys are far more gun savvy and intelligent than, for example, the admirers of certain brands that shall not be named, in the interest of peace, harmony, goodwill, unicorns, rainbows and butterflies).
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“Fanboyism”? Seriously?
 
Yep. Fanboyism. Seriously. When folks say things such as:
the overwhelming majority
in this thread chose S&W K-frames and in
particular the Combat Masterpiece/Model 15
and the Model 67 [followed by]
This is absolute proof just really how gun
savvy and intelligent the revolver folks are
on this forum
.
 
Yep. Fanboyism. Seriously. When folks say things such as:

I look at that as an opinion based on perception. I look at the term “Fanboy” as an insult that usually appears when someone disagrees with someone’s opinion of a particular item, product or brand. Perhaps I am mistaken about that term.

But this thread isn’t about the opinions of other people’s opinions. It’s about this:

If you could only have one .38 Spl revolver, to do anything you wanted to do in your day to day life; what would it be, and why ?
 
When I was first working, I used to head out to a local gun store about once the week to palaver with the staff and other visitors. Local police offers often showed up.

Most of the new center fire handguns they had were revolvers. The exceptions were Colts, Brownings, and the Smith Model 39.

All police officers carried revolvers. This was before Ruger made DA revolvers.

The pros and cons of Colts and smiths came up often. There was no clear favorites. The adjustment interval for Colts was a given--but no one worried about it. There were gunsmiths everywhere.

I liked the Combat Masterpiece (unobtainable) and the Colt OMM, one of which I purchased.

Today? I really like the new Colts.
 
I look at the term “Fanboy” as an insult that usually appears when someone disagrees with someone’s opinion of a particular item, product or brand.
I certainly don't use the term as an insult (although when applied to some of those insufferable Glocksters who seem to believe that particular plastic gun is the pinnacle of handgun development in the modern world, maybe). Some would probably label me as one of the world's biggest SIG pistol/Winchester rifle/S&W *older* evolver fanboys.

And I've probably been known to indulge in hyperbole myself a time or two...

One for the road:

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