Ultimate SHTF rifles thread

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Since I'm restricted to what I have, I'd be able to take 3 but would only want 2.

1) Marlin 60 for small game

2) SAR-1 for defense and larger game perhaps

I'd leave the M44 at home due to its excesive weight... plus I don't have much ammo for it on hand anyhow :)
 
Golgo has gone Gonzo!!!!

Jeez man, maybe you should try decaf :D
 
So far, in every major "panic" type incident 9/11 and after, the common response is to band together, not start popping each other in a panic.

Kaylee, not to get off topic here.......
But the key to what you wrote was "So far"......
In a major encounter and 9/11 was minor in comparison to a Nuclear Strike....Don't expect anything so civilized.....The authorities will not be in control for days/weeks/months....if ever. It will be everyone for himself, even though there will be those of us who band together....there will be those who will try to take what we have....By Force....and we will need the tools to handle the job of removing them from the gene pool. No one really knows what would happen, it depends on "who" survives and where you happen to be. Too many if's and but's......and we could argue this forever. My point is, with all the variables...there's no telling what might happen and where. So stockpile ammo and practice :)
Sgt
 
Out of what I have right now...
Finn M-39 with the 700 rounds I have for it
Arsenal AK-47 with the 1400 rounds I have for it
CZ-75 9mm with the six fifteen round mags and the 1500+ rounds of 9mm ammo I have
CZ-452 and the several thousand rounds I have for it

In an ideal world, I would have two of each in case something breaks.

In the event that I would need to go defend my country against invading Mongol hordes, it would be the Finn and the CZ.
AK's are cool but they lack accuracy and range.
 
I guess those who don't see the need for personal defense in a situation where, shortly, people will be starving to death don't pay much attention to what happens in much of Africa these days. The situation of 9/11 was a pretty localized event, as tragic as it was. Now, make EVERY building in every major city do what the WTC did and compound that with no government and add to that disruption of the food supply (especially since our ICBMs are smartly located where we grow all our grain.) Of course, most people will sit around and wait for help...and wait...and wait. But to think 9/11 is anywhere near even a limited nuclear exchange, well that's the same as saying the Grenada invasion was just the same as WW2. No one is here saying, the balloon goes up begin shooting neighbors (unless you're planning to eat them.) The point is in the event you become permanently self-sufficient, that means you must procure your own food supply, defend it if necessary, and defend yourself if necessary. How is that the same as declaring yourself Joseph Stalin Jr? Yes, some people will form their own de facto collectives and/or communities. And there will be some that see the easiest method of procuring food is to take it away from people that have it. But if you fail to see the need for personal defense in such a situation, why do you own a personal handgun/shotgun/rifle for defense now? Shouldn't 9/11 have brought us all together to where we could have thrown our weapons away, if the point is made that defense was rendered null by the community spirit in the aftermath? On the contrary, people purchased more firearms immediately after 9/11. I'm talking about the reality of human beings here, not what we hope would be. Liberia had lots of hopes and dreams when they first started that nation and look where they are today.
 
M-1 with the ~1000 rounds on hand
SAR-1 with the ~1200 rounds on hand
.22 LR with the ~1000 rounds on hand
CZ-85 with the ~600 rounds on hand
 
Golgo---Holy Mother of God. Put down the crack pipe, coke straw, and thermos and step away slowly.:scrutiny:

Only one rifle, and I pray that S does not HTF till I get more practice, more ammo (only 135rds now) and more guns, and lots more prepared (like food, etc).

My Yugo 24/47 in 8mm. Only thing I have.
 
Ok four rifles? Easy

1). National Match M1-A

2). Colt M-4 Sporter(6400c)
w/.22lr conversion kit.

3). SAR-1

4). This one is a toss-up. Either my Rem. Sendero in .300mag or my BRNO '98 w/ Parker Hale .308 bbl.
 
I'm glad that a Golgo-13 mentality isn't mainstream. Yes, some people may have to be shot, maybe even many people, but we shouldn't drool over the prospect. I also like to believe he's only semi-serious......but I don't.

My choices:

.22lr

.223/5.56 - hesitantly chosen only for any available ammo, and make mine a bolt-action.

.308 semiauto

.308 bolt-action w/scope

THANKS
 
Golgo is joking, poking a little fun at the "the sky is falling!" survivor mentality seem sometimes.

If everything else hadn't given him away, his 15,000 rounds per day requirement would have.

:)
 
I know Golgo is joking. Besides, if you shot as many people as he was talking about, you'd have to have access to a lot of wood to make proper jerky-drying racks. Couldn't see letting all that good meat going to waste. Follow "for pork" recipes for fresh, dry the rest.:evil:
 
FYI - Golgo has a reputation elsewheres.

Over here he is supported by moderators.

For my choice in guns, I'd like to stay with popular/common calibers.

So for rifles it's 30-06/.308, a 30-30 lever gun, 22LR boltgun and a reliable 12GA repeater of some sort. For the rest I'll have some overlap with my handguns.
 
Huntings over so here goes my SHTF plan . In my canyon there are about 6 properties with houses on a private road. These are little ranches of from 10 to 160 acres. We have flocks and gardens and good wells . The canyon is deep, not good for helicopters what with the redwood trees along lower areas. The majority of people are good conservatives or libitarians. I am the property on the county cross road . I would drop 4 foot diameter trees in a very hard to remove fashion across roads. I know a D-6 could not remove them. Anybody trying to chainsaw them would die, and die, and die. Now the blue hats could flatten us with arty or smart bombs.Have a bunker! I keep for my neighbors ( the ones who volunteer for squad duty) 4 european AK's with 4 1400 rd cases of ammo and 25 thirty round mags each. Also 4 S&W sigmas in 9mm and 40 (2 each) with 6 mags each and LOTS of 9mm and 400 .40's. I have for my family and training partners: Barret 82 and 400 or so rounds at any one time, 3 AR Colt's series guns with 30 mags each and 3000+ rds , NM M-14 with 25mags , HK91 with 15 mags (5 30's!) , HK 93a2(colaspsable) 10(note: some weapons noteably HK's have been moved to my Oregon place) mags, 2 FNFAL(1 metric one inch) with 40mags, M-1 carbine(for wifey) with 10 fifteen and 8 30's and 800 rounds, And the 'stash' of .308 which must be at least 5000 rounds.Four 870 12ga, and couple 1100 comp guns with "Buck and Brennekes" Couple of my old IPSC .45 rigs and LOTS of mags and ammo and 200+ assorted other guns of varyiing versatility and maybe 50,000 rds of ammo.A few 11 and 3 vests and 6 masks with lotsa filters, 3 NODs,Solar and diesels with fuel stashed since Y-2k! Fast jeep rock crawlers,horses, LEO buddies and neighbors like minded. I been a disciple of Mel Tappan for almost 30 years and been preparing for that long. Got 2 of my son's still living on my property who are well trained and willing. BTW I fastidiuously obey ALL laws , everthing registered and legal , I pay ALL my taxes, am non-violent and believe in turning the other cheek BUT .... MOLON LABE!!!!! :neener: :neener: :neener:
 
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4 rifles are overkill for me, but I will play

Ruger 10-22, 2000 rounds of ammo, 4 little boxes hold all that ammo too.
Ruger Synthetic M70 30-06 for deer jerky, 200 rounds
Remington Super Mag 12 ga. with assorted bird shots and 00 buck
SKS Folder with 1000 round case for an enemy assualt

Who needs a handgun with those long guns.

My personal prefrence would just be the 10-22 and the 30-06.
A sniper training book and survival book are probably more important than the other 2 guns.
 
OMG not another SHTF thread.:D Can I take my reloading equipment? Since you’re allowing me to use my vehicle, there would be room and it might come in handy. If I can only choose four that are on hand I guess this is what I’d pick.

1. Winchester Mod 70 .243. About 100 rounds on hand and enough brass, primers and bullets to load another 300.
2. Colt AR-15 HBAR 500+ rounds
3. CZ-452 .22, 3000+ rounds
4. Winchester Mod 12, 200 rounds loaded, enough hulls, wads, primers, and lead to load another 500.

Looks like I need some more ammo. Or maybe I should get motivated and load some.

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Personally, I LOVE these threads!! I know that if you hang out on a board long enough a lot of topics get rehashed ad-nauseum but for a newbie like me they're still interesting and thought provoking.
 
what we have on hand, hmm?

I'd have to go with my

10/22 Standard, 2500 rds assorted ammo. Use? Small game hunting, pest animal whacking.

Yugo SKS, 800 rds ammo, 200 on strippers. Use? Self-defense, hunting if neccessary.

Yugo M48A, 400 rds ammo. Use? Hunting, self defense if neccessary.

Lessons?

I need a scoped rifle in an intermediate caliber for distance shooting.

I shold get more ammo for all of my guns.

Love these threads, BTW.

Ideally, I would want a .22, an AK or AR, and a scoped & accurized rifle in .308.
 
Darn it! I forgot my spetnatz shovel!

And hey the ONY reason I have a .223 on my list is that my 30-06 is not a BAR.

"Geez, Rob, them zombiebikerwerewolves is hiding behind that 46 dodge and I cain't get to em with mah poddle shooter."

(sound of 8-track sized magazine being slapped into 20 pound automatic rifle)

"Well, Bubba, guess you are lucky I packed a can opener!"
 
>I'm going to assume a single localized nuclear detonation since a full exchange between any of the superpowers would make the entire planet unlivable due to Nuclear Winter and the amount of radoactive dust released into the air.

You need to read The Effects Of Nuclear Weapons or the Swiss equivalent. All the nukes in the world can't even make one continent unlivable; there just isn't that much energy. Most of the US would be livable two weeks after a full Russian strike.

Twenty thousand megatons just isn't that much energy. And one would hope that at least a few nuclear weapons would destroy other nuclear weapons.

>Even a single detonation in the continental U.S. would probably throw us into a stuation that would make the 1920s economy look like happy times.

That is completely true, for the same reason that the 15 billion dollars of damage caused on 9-11 has been leveraged into hundreds of billions of dollars of extra government. But it has nothing to do with the effects of 25 megatons, and everything to do with the effects of cowardice.

Now if you want to worry about engineered bacteria or viruses.... OK, I'm with you.
 
Bugout with four long guns and thousands of rounds of ammo? OK.

Reckon I'd take one .22 rifle and a couple bricks of ammo. Make myself scarce. Push come to shove and I'll take someone elses four long guns and thousands of rounds of ammo.:uhoh:

Denny
 
"Nuclear winter" was one, among many, of the things hysterically screamed about by "Dr." Helen Caldicott and Physicians for Social Resposibility to show what an evil bad man Reagan was for wanting to put more Pershing 2s in West Germany and build neutron bombs. Caldicott never could get her story straight. First she claimed there would be a "nuclear winter". Then she said a thermonuclear war would result in a mega-"global warming" with loss of ozone causing sunlight to be magnified to the point of danger. Huh? Well, now you know the history of the same Physicians for Social Responsibility seeking bans on handguns and semi-auto firearms.

The fact is, several nuclear weapons were detonated above ground from 1950 to 1962. The fallout swept across Nevada and Utah and, at one point, was tracked clear to upstate New York where it allegedly entered the milk supply via grazing cattle. At one test, coal was piled under the shot tower to make the fallout "dirty" and, allegedly, easier to track. The "Sedan" shot, a test of the Project Plowshare song-and-dance scooped out plenty of fallout, though the AEC claimed it did not (see "Sedan Crater".) From Upshot-Knothole to Buster-Jangle, these atmospheric nuclear tests proved that fallout, while deadly, is not the all-killing power everyone thought it was. Though they will never admit it, one of the reasons behind some of those tests was to determine if a nuclear war was survivable. (Indeed, one test was done to try out different concepts of shelters for Civil Defense and what would happen to certain types of houses and cars.) Of course, these tests were individual tests and not a series of simultaneous detonations. But wind patterns are what they are and the deadiest fallout deteriorates in two to three weeks. Now, a biological attack of epic proportions by an unknown virus or bacteria could indeed be the whimper and not the bang by which mankind exits stage left and leaves earth to the next stage of evolutionary progress by some other species. Is man that dumb? Probably. We see what man did with unlocking the secret of the atom. What will he do with the secrets of DNA? Smallpox alone is bad enough to kill millions, especially now with all these Luddites who fear the vaccine more than the disease. (Geez, they never ASKED us in army basic training if we wanted the smallpox vaccination. They just said, "Hold sill recruit! Geez, I'm sill alive! I was too scared of the drill sergeants to let a couple little pin pricks make me sick!)
 
Long guns I have on hand:

A 1977 Ruger Mini-14 with original sights, a Ruger 5-round mag and 3 Ruger 20-round mags, and 3,000 rounds of 55 gr ball. That should do for the self defense part.

A Marlin lever-action Guide Gun in 45-70 with ghost-ring hunting sights, and 300 rounds of 405 gr handloads. Great for hunting.

A Marlin lever-action Original Golden 39A with a Weaver 4x scope, and 4 bricks of Remington Hi Speed Hollow Points. Great for hunting.

And a N.E.F. Pardner single shot 12 GA . Great for hunting. But I've only got about 20 rounds of 2 3/4" 4's and 10 rounds of O buck.

But in a pinch I'd just grab the Mini-14, the 22LR lever-action, and the ammo. Oh, and the wife. She's a pretty good shot.
 
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