Uncle joey came through.....................

[BCR#1]

It has already started. The sell off after the big scare from last years on going unrest has produced a gem of a deal for me. A NIB PSA 10.5" pistol in 5.56 for $900 OTD from a semi local guy who just bought it from PSA last month and decided to ditch when he started checking out the whole register/SBR thing when he found out after the fact.

Bill

 

[Balrog]

I would be reluctant to buy an AR pistol with a brace right now.

 

[DTL]

Looks like it’s done. +1

 

[WestKentucky]

Nice. And I would not at all worry about the brace. Just a few months ago they were going to grandfather them into the NFA for free.

 

[Ignition Override]

BCR#1: Well-put. The very slow downward spiral of less demand will accelerate (& later with ammo). Even with most people having trouble finding the ammo they need, or maybe ammo shortages make many guns far less popular, the great Gun Selloff could be starting.

With far more widespread access now to Wuhan Virus vaccines, more people are now thinking for themselves -- that the World is Not Going to End - short of a stray large meteorite like the type which wiped out the later dinosaurs.
And with more sports available, such as our nearby children's softball and soccer games (Arlington TN), the mood brightened Months Ago.

 

[Gordon]

Ha ha , the buy race hasn't even begun IMHO. Just let them pass bans of these guns and watch the price soar before the day it goes into effect !. I sold a bunch of "assault weapons " in 1999 in Ca. right before the 2000 closure of such for riple what they were going for even during the Clinton and national "bans" Just look at the price of registered MGs before 1986 and now to become a believer . BTW it IS rather late to show braced pistols you own tho IMHO!

 

[BCR#1]

BTW it IS rather late to show braced pistols you own tho IMHO!

Well, since I've only owned it for two whole days, hence the pic/post. I never planned on buying one until this one fell into my lap

Bill

 

[BCR#1]

Nice. And I would not at all worry about the brace. Just a few months ago they were going to grandfather them into the NFA for free.

No worries here. I've already bought a used carbine stock for it and it fits/works so the buffer tube must be the mil spec dia. If they go SBR, I'm ready for the swap.

Bill

 

[WestKentucky]

No worries here. I've already bought a used carbine stock for it and it fits/works so the buffer tube must be the mil spec dia. If they go SBR, I'm ready for the swap.

Bill

I hope you have a carbine upper handy then because otherwise there could be issues. Highly unlikely, but potential.

 

[Demi-human]

Nice pistol. And stove, I think mine is the same.

 

[BCR#1]

I hope you have a carbine upper handy then because otherwise there could be issues. Highly unlikely, but potential.

I do, two complete carbines in 5.56 and 9mm. I try to be a law abiding Joe.

Bill

 

[Monac]

I really don't understand how this is a pistol. When did that happen?

 

[Demi-human]

I really don't understand how this is a pistol. When did that happen?

When he took the stock off, then put a short barrel on. It remained so when the brace was put on.

 

[Monac]

When he took the stock off, then put a short barrel on. It remained so when the brace was put on.

So it's an AR-15 receiver with a short barrel and a quick-detachable stock. So that makes it a pistol, technically? Could someone me tell why, at least in their experience, people want this kind of gun? Because aside from being insignificantly more compact, what does it do better than an AR-15 receiver with a longer barrel and a fixed stock do? Sure, I could be wrong about the "insignficant", but that is what I am trying to find out.

 

[Broccolis]

I really don't understand how this is a pistol. When did that happen?

Thank God i am not the only one that sees this sh*t. Its really confusion.

 

[Demi-human]

So that makes it a pistol, technically?

Yup. Technically. While also being better than a pistol, by a smidgen.

Could someone me tell why, at least in their experience, people want this kind of gun?

I replaced eight inches of barrel with eight inches of suppressor on mine. But I didn’t want to notify the Feds every time I went 200yds south west to Wisconsin, so I made a pistol instead of an SBR. Spent the second tax stamp money on the suppressor.

aside from being insignificantly more compact, what does it do better than an AR-15 receiver with a longer barrel and a fixed stock do?

But a 28” barreled AR is a bit unwieldily, right?
Oh, the brace does keep you from being a felon with an unregistered SBR. That’s a plus.
Mine is not a single inch shorter than a rifle with a flash hider, with the suppressor, which is infinitely better than a birdcage.

Mine. 300 Blackout, Titanium can.

Works from the bedroom, or the blind!

 

[Demi-human]

Thank God i am not the only one that sees this stuff? Its really confusing.

You think the .Gov is here to make it easy for you? This is their amalgam, not ours.

In a normal world this would just be another firearm. Made however is necessary for the job.

But today we need to label them, and separate them, and be afraid of black ones, but not brown ones, and charge extra tax on some, but not others and use them as a splitting wedge against what would just be a single group of firearms owners.

It’s only confusing to me when it comes time to pay.

 

[Broccolis]

You think the .Gov is here to make it easy for you? This is their amalgam, not ours.

In a normal world this would just be another firearm. Made however is necessary for the job.

But today we need to label them, and separate them, and be afraid of black ones, but not brown ones, and charge extra tax on some, but not others and use them as a splitting wedge against what would just be a single group of firearms owners.

It’s only confusing to me when it comes time to pay.

You are to totally correct. Guns are just guns despite the caliber or barrel length. all the BS that comes with it are all politics and ways to divide and tax the people. SAD.

 

[Monac]

Yup. Technically. While also being better than a pistol, by a smidgen.



I replaced eight inches of barrel with eight inches of suppressor on mine. But I didn’t want to notify the Feds every time I went 200yds south west to Wisconsin, so I made a pistol instead of an SBR. Spent the second tax stamp money on the suppressor.


But a 28” barreled AR is a bit unwieldily, right?
Oh, the brace does keep you from being a felon with an unregistered SBR. That’s a plus.
Mine is not a single inch shorter than a rifle with a flash hider, with the suppressor, which is infinitely better than a birdcage.

Mine. 300 Blackout, Titanium can.

Works from the bedroom, or the blind!

I am glad you are willing to say this is only technically a pistol. Because it isn't, by any practical definition of what a pistol is. It takes highly specialized knowledge to look at this and say it is a pistol.

But I feel that saying it is only better than a pistol "by a smidgen" is disingenuous. It fires 223, which is more powerful than 44 Magnum, it has a shoulder stock (albeit a quick-detachable one) for controlling recoil and improving range, and a 20 or 30 round magazine, plus both iron and optical sights, instead of one or the other. This is a far more formidable weapon than any pistol that comes to mind at the moment.

And the uses and reasons for wanting it all seem to be because you want something that has been illegal since 1934 (i.e., a short barreled rifle) and this allows you to evade the law and have it. You don't say why you want this, instead of a rifle with a barrel just a few inches longer and and a fixed stock, except that would be "a bit unwieldy." That does not seem like enough reason to go to all this expense.

That is what I still don't understand. What is this gun for? If you just want it because you want it, say so. But if it has some use that I am unaware of that other guns cannot serve, I would like to know.

I am quite willing to be open minded out this, but I used to be an accountant. I am familiar with tax avoidance. That is the legal reduction of taxes by technical means - all of which are bad business in the end. Perhaps this has made me unnecessarily dubious about these technical pistols.

 

[Demi-human]

I am glad you are willing to say this is only technically a pistol. Because it isn't, by any practical definition of what a pistol is. It takes highly specialized knowledge to look at this and say it is a pistol.

I agree.

But I feel that saying it is only better than a pistol "by a smidgen" is disingenuous. This is a far more formidable weapon than any pistol that comes to mind at the moment.

I wholeheartedly agree.

And the uses and reasons for wanting it all seem to be because you want something that has been illegal since 1934 (i.e., a short barreled rifle) and this allows you to evade the law and have it. You don't say why you want this, instead of a rifle with a barrel just a few inches longer and and a fixed stock, except that would be "a bit unwieldy." That does not seem like enough reason to go to all this expense.

Nope. It isn’t illegal. I could pay the Man and put a stock on it. But, I’m a frugal single father. Unnecessary expenditure for the same-dang-thang is painful to me. I don’t like restriction on my movement. And the dimwits in charge say it’s a pistol, I’ll have to agree, or pay more.

That does not seem like enough reason to go to all this expense.

Half the barrel length and a quieter home defense weapon for my family is worth it, to me.

That is what I still don't understand. What is this gun for? If you just want it because you want it, say so. But if it has some use that I am unaware of that other guns cannot serve, I would like to know.

Home defense. Try moving a hunting rifle through your home while pointed at the front door.
Shorter is easier, and as you said, more powerful, but also easier to use than a 44magnum.
Other firearms may do the same thing. I chose this one. And it’s hard to suppress a 44mag.


I’m not trying to talk you into it, but I’ll not be told I’m skirting law when I went through all the pains of following it.
I’ve been through nine FBI background checks this last twelve months, five for work, four for extra taxes. All for things I made myself.

 

[JR24]

I am glad you are willing to say this is only technically a pistol. Because it isn't, by any practical definition of what a pistol is. It takes highly specialized knowledge to look at this and say it is a pistol.

But I feel that saying it is only better than a pistol "by a smidgen" is disingenuous. It fires 223, which is more powerful than 44 Magnum, it has a shoulder stock (albeit a quick-detachable one) for controlling recoil and improving range, and a 20 or 30 round magazine, plus both iron and optical sights, instead of one or the other. This is a far more formidable weapon than any pistol that comes to mind at the moment.

And the uses and reasons for wanting it all seem to be because you want something that has been illegal since 1934 (i.e., a short barreled rifle) and this allows you to evade the law and have it. You don't say why you want this, instead of a rifle with a barrel just a few inches longer and and a fixed stock, except that would be "a bit unwieldy." That does not seem like enough reason to go to all this expense.

That is what I still don't understand. What is this gun for? If you just want it because you want it, say so. But if it has some use that I am unaware of that other guns cannot serve, I would like to know.

I am quite willing to be open minded out this, but I used to be an accountant. I am familiar with tax avoidance. That is the legal reduction of taxes by technical means - all of which are bad business in the end. Perhaps this has made me unnecessarily dubious about these technical pistols.

Technically AR pistols don't have a stock, it's a brace and supposed to be fired one handed, using the brace against the forearm instead of shouldering it, eventhough most folks shoulder them.

I do agree to a point, I've kinda wanted AR pistols a few times but there is little benefit in my home over a 16" carbine, though as Demi notes, getting a can on a 16" barrel makes it awful long and unwieldy. Especially .300 BLK which is basically designed to be short barreled and suppressed. Crossing state lines to shoot or whatever is certainly easier without an SBR as well.

 

[Monac]

I agree.


I wholeheartedly agree.




Nope. It isn’t illegal. I could pay the Man and put a stock on it. But, I’m a frugal single father. Unnecessary expenditure for the same-dang-thang is painful to me. I don’t like restriction on my movement. And the dimwits in charge say it’s a pistol, I’ll have to agree, or pay more.



Half the barrel length and a quieter home defense weapon for my family is worth it, to me.


Home defense. Try moving a hunting rifle through your home while pointed at the front door.
Shorter is easier, and as you said, more powerful, but also easier to use than a 44magnum.
Other firearms may do the same thing. I chose this one. And it’s hard to suppress a 44mag.


I’m not trying to talk you into it, but I’ll not be told I’m skirting law when I went through all the pains of following it.
I’ve been through nine FBI background checks this last twelve months, five for work, four for extra taxes. All for things I made myself.

Thanks for your courteous reply. I wanted to understand these guns, and the market for them better, and now I do. I still don't feel I understand them well enough to express any worthwhile opinion of them. Anything I would say would be arguing about peoples opinions and judgments, and theirs are better than mine, if I don't have facts to back mine up.

I might suggest that these guns seem to me to be an attempt to get short-barreled rifles in spite of the National Firearms Act of 1934. As you point out, they are definitely within the letter of the law. But to my (poorly informed) mind, they seem an evasion of its spirit, and thus may cause it to be re-written. That may be an undesirable can of worms to open.

But in saying even that much, I have probably broken my rule not to express an opinion on a matter of which I am ignorant. Thanks again for educating me.

 

[JR24]

But to my (poorly informed) mind, they seem an evasion of its spirit, and thus may cause it to be re-written. That may be an undesirable can of worms to open.

In this I think you are correct.

 

[NVcharlie]

Nice pistol. Did you name it Uncle Joe?

 

[BCR#1]

Nice pistol. Did you name it Uncle Joe?

Thanks but no, I don't name my firearms. I believe this will be the final rendition unless there is a change in status, ie, NFA by decree. Then a real butt stock will appear.
I decided on a vortex Sparc II sitting on a skeleton mount with a Blue Force Gear "Vickers Combat App sling" , hand stop and M-LOK attachment points.

Bill