United Methodist Church 2008 Anti-Gun Resolution

[btg3]

The UMC organization is not necessarily a reflection of it's local churches and members.

A) I've known life-long UMC members who are also NRA life members.

B) I was a member of a local church in Georgia that stood up to the parent UMC and refused to pay all of the apportionments based on line-item objections. Not a problem because the UMC has enough resources to pursue its political agenda without 100% support from its members.

Whatever happened to the Gospel?

UMC does not require a response to the Gospel for membership.

There should be an absolute separation of church | state.

Oh pulllleeeze. :banghead:

 

[JWarren]

The UMC organization is not necessarily a reflection of it's local churches and members.

True. We were ALL NRA members in our church. The problem is that my tithes went to the UMC-- as you are surely aware.

I also quit giving money to my old college fraternity when I discovered that my donations went to a political donation to Bill Clinton's 2nd term election.



-- John

 

[sacp81170a]

Exodus 20:16 -

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

Exodus 23:1 -

Thou shalt not raise a false report: put not thine hand with the wicked to be an unrighteous witness.

Surveys and statistics are easily twisted to say what either side wants them to say. Repeating the lies of VPC and the Brady Campaign is hardly the work of a church. It's interesting to me that Jesus didn't use statistics in the sermon on the mount. :banghead:

 

[mec]

Some of the insanity from the United Methodist Church dates back more than 30 years

Right. My memories of all this are actually more than 30 years old.
Some Torah enthusiast said that the word translated as "Kill" was actually Rasach =murder.

Pacifist christians say that Jesus was speaking "figuratively" when he talked about buying a sword.
" Did he say 'blessed are the Cheesemakers?' Yes but he was probably speaking figuratively. He probably was talking about dairy workers in general."
Monte Python

 

[Werewolf]

If a church decides to involve itself in secular affairs it should lose it's tax exempt status.

Ya gotta pay to play...

 

[pharmer]

The UMC is against sin too. Ain't stopped it from happening. MORONS. Joe

 

[mec]

Sin is forgivable. Free-thinking is not.

 

[SpeedAKL]

The UMC has deviated frighteningly from it's roots. It's acceptance of liberal theology has caused it to place more weight on political and social activism than the spreading of the Gospels. Being anti-gun is a symptom of a much larger problem. Same goes for the Episcopal Church, the PCUSA, the United church of Christ, and other liberal protestant denominations. It's sad to see how far church organizations that were once ardent proclaimers of the Gospel have fallen.

 

[moooose102]

told women they had a duty to submit to rape.

WHAT AN IDIOT!!! if i ever heard ANYONE saying this, i would risk going to jail and face the assult charges, and punch him as hard as i could right in the mouth! sometimes, you just HAVE to take a stand for what is right. also, i wonder how much he would change his mind if he had to watch his 15 year old daughter while it happened! people this stupid just burn me up!!!!!
i had no idea the umc had this agenda! i have been a member only for a short time, and i guess the subject just never came up. so i wonder, if there is actually a religon or church out there that actually supports gun ownership, or is pro gun. and i am not talking some off the wall church in some small comunity. i am talking a mainstream large scale church organization.

 

[ClickClickD'oh]

Luke 22:36 KJV Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Well, we'll just have to ammend that to be UMC safe won't we.

"Luke 22:36 KJV Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one if he hath not purchased one in the past thirty days."

There we go.

 

[yesit'sloaded]

If Jesus hadn't let Peter have that sword that boy would still have an ear. Oh, wait. God gave us free will so we can make dumb decisions sometimes. He fixed the ear too by the way.

 

[Lupinus]

moooose-

Theres a reason I ruled out the UMC when deciding on a church body. They don't proclaim the gospel, they proclaim a liberalist watered down version that even if I agreed with Methodist doctrine I wouldn't be a part of.

 

[jaholder1971]

My wife was raised Methodist on both sides. I've refused to attend a service for these very reasons.

When we were talking about wedding plans, they originally involved a wedding in a UMC church, to which I said not only no, but OH HELL NO.

Once I showed my wife, her parents and their pastor UMC's published stances on gun control and Brockaway's paper it quickly became a civil ceremony.

 

[rust collector]

So everyone subscribes fully to all the teachings and positions of the humans governing their religion? Not me, sorry. And I don't believe the ABA has any business taking many of the positions that the leadership has over the years. And I could pick a few bones with the NRA althought I've been a life member for 20-odd years. Take the good, leave the bad. They're all a mixed bag.

I agree that churches generally should keep their noses out of secular affairs, but they don't, never really have, and this doesn't seem all that newsworthy.

 

[Lupinus]

rust-

Yeah, but here they are trying to explain it with the bible. They are taking things out of context and using their flawed reasoning to fit their agenda.

Thats is the very definition of a flawed church body.

 

[Heartless_Conservative]

It's sad to see how far church organizations that were once ardent proclaimers of the Gospel have fallen.

If its any consolation the lefty churches have been steadily declining for at least the last ten years or so, the only churches experiencing meaniful growth are teh more "traditional" or "conservative" ones, such as Catholicism, some Prots, and especially Islam. The watered down faiths simply can't convince people that they're worth following (for reasons that should be fairly obvious).

 

[Blackbeard]

Tell him that religious violence kills far more than gun violence, so that he should support background checks for pastors, Federal approval of sermons, and one-service-per-month laws.

 

[TexasRifleman]

The Sixth Commandment, “Thou Shall not kill,”

Funny, I seem to remember that is was "Thou Shalt Do No Murder" up until recent revisionist versions of the Bible.

Under the "thou shalt not kill" you'd be doomed for hunting the Thanksgiving turkey.

 

[romma]

Any church that gets involved in politics should lose their exempt status...

Separation of Church and State should work both ways!

 

[Ash]

"Being anti-gun is a symptom of a much larger problem. Same goes for the Episcopal Church, the PCUSA..."

Ah, but the PCA (Presbyterian Church in America) allows for self defense (Jesus did indeed tell the disciples to buy a sword) but more importantly, does not allow for political matters to be addressed. The Church is not a political body and so is not to get involved in political dealings. Also, the extreme liberalism of PCUS prior to joining with the extremely liberal Northern PCUSA, caused the PCA to split off and form in 1973 (and is a conservative belief).

As to the 6th commandment mis-interpretation, it comes from the 1611 King James version, which interpreted "kill." It really says not to "do murder." There is a difference. Many modern translations actually refer to "murder" in an effort to be more correct to the original Greek and Hebrew texts (rather than translating from Latin,which is already a translation from Greek and Hebrew and so can be a cause of error).

Ash

 

[yesit'sloaded]

That would be one of the reasons I'm PCA. That and academic study of the Bible instead of endless and meaningless drivel from cheerleaders in the pulpit.

 

[mnrivrat]

Religion : Bla , Bla, Bla - can't harm your fellow man !

Religion : Bla . Bla, Bla - Blow up the infidels and get 70 virgins !

 

[Ash]

 

[pyle]

Stuff like this is one of several reasons I'm a former United Methodist.

Add me to that list.....

 

[pyle]

Under the "thou shalt not kill" you'd be doomed for hunting the Thanksgiving turkey.

You wouldn't be allowed to take anti biotics either!