Unpopular view, why own handguns?

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Absolutely handguns are made for killing, that's why we carry them. As human beings, we have a fundamental human right to self-defense. They aren't as good as a rifle, but life proves it impractical to carry a long gun everywhere. The police have no legal obligation to protect me as an individual, it is therefore my responsibility to protect myself and my family by carrying a handgun everywhere I can.

Where do you get this magic arbitrary line of 2010? Why is that year a good year to restrict rights? What about the rights of my grandchildren to protect themselves? Just because there is no clear need to use violence to suppress tyranny NOW, doesn't mean it will never happen. If you let arms be registered, controlled, and confiscated now, my grandchildren will have no means to resist. This sounds just as appalling as suggesting that the internet and printers carry too much risk for treason and slander, and therefore regular citizens cannot be trusted with them, so from now on anyone who wants one will need to be screened and licensed by the government.

How are firearms with fixed stocks less deadly than the ones with folding stocks? You are listening to the propaganda fostered by the Brady Campaign that tells people that how guns LOOK affects how deadly they are. Things like flash hiders, bayonet lugs, pistol grips, dark color, standard capacity magazines and variable-length stocks do not affect the lethality of a rifle at all, and banning them for ten years bade absolutely no discernible difference in gun-related crime.

And it IS a slippery slope. They DO want to use this as a starting point to to ban all guns. If we give at all, they will exploit it to ban them all, as their stated policies have said.

But I'm all about compromise. I will compromise to repeal only HALF of the useless, ineffective gun laws in existence THIS YEAR. NEXT year, we can look at the other half.

We as Americans hold an attitude where we would rather be free than safe. (Admittedly, a lot of us have forgotten that.) We don't WANT laws to protect us, we want to be free to protect ourselves.

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined." Patrick Henry, 3 Elliot, Debates at 45 (Virginia Convention, June 5, 1788)
 
Simple...

I can't do my work at the office or on the farm with a rifle or shotgun on my back.

It would be cumbersome and in the way.

Les
 
In answer to Why Own Handguns, the following.

For the same reason that some might choose to own any other legal device or product, Because I want to.
 
Posted by the OP Buildit
Therefor it... is totally leagal for anyone to carry a rifle or shotgun loaded for their self defense anywhere and anytime in public!

Try it. You'll find that you are completely wrong.
 
Feelings vs. Logic

Posted by the OP Buildit
As I understand Washington DC has had a ban on handguns for a while, some argue it reduces the ability of those wishing to conceal a weapon for illegal purposes. Harder to hold up a 7 eleven store when your walking in with a clearly visible rifle/shotgun straped across your back.

You're kidding right? You actually think criminals, on their way into rob a 7Eleven, will abide by a gun law??!!?? Why would a criminal follow any law in the act of breaking others?

Posted by the OP Buildit
For personal protection there is nothing like a gun straped across your back!

Rather than a handgun in hand? On your back is the worst place for a self defense gun.

The proverbial truck could be driven through the holes in your "logic".
 
1. First off, ASSUMING there were ZERO utility in handgun ownership:

But I understand the "slippery slope"

Actually, no, clearly you do NOT fully understand the "slippery slope" concept, because if you did, the question wouldn't need to be asked.

So, the answer is, "because of the slippery slope" or "because that's the camel's nose under the tent." Once you start a-bannin', it's just a matter of time before they are all banned. Incrementalism is the tactic the banners use. Divide and conquer.

2. Then, there's the WHOLE usefulness of handguns concept. They are THE best weapon for self-defense out in the daily public arena. Their usefulness in preventing crime and stopping crimes in progress far, far outweighs the societal detriment. The social science has now PROVEN this fact beyond any shadow of a doubt. Or, to put it more succinctly as someone did above:

Absolutely handguns are made for killing, that's why we carry them.

Exactly.

3. Then, you've got, because the Constitution says we have a RIGHT to KEEP and BEAR ARMS. Not "long arms" - "arms". Any sort of personal weapon is protected, in my view.

#2 and #3 are closely related.
 
We might have a troll in the house but this is a good exercise anyway. If a provocative question makes you think of an answer then at least you've been thinking, so it hasn't been wasted time.

Here's a scenario where a firearm might have been needed and wasn't available....and it has the benefit of being true. It happened to my 77 year old mother yesterday.

She was returning from a doctor visit in Birmingham, driving on a two lane road, when a car approached from the rear at high speed. She had no previous interaction with this driver, so it wasn't "road rage" directed at her.

The other driver was all over the road, going from shoulder to shoulder while almost hitting her car. She tried slowing to let him pass but no dice...he stayed on her bumper and tried to come up on her RIGHT side, going onto the shoulder. She had a choice to speed up and run away or pull over. She was afraid to pull over; what if that was what the nut wanted? What would she do then? She had no means of defending herself or my father (he has Alzheimer's). She wisely opted to try running. After a minute or so the other guy made a mistake and spun out backwards down a dirt road and she didn't see him again, so everything turned out ok except for her nerves. If she had pulled over and he had stopped and come at her, what would she have done? He had already attempted violence so he had demonstrated criminal intent or psychosis. The only weapons she had were her car and her wits. Often these are enough but not always. It's the "not always" situations where the need for augmented defense becomes evident.

I wish I could say this was a random event, but this sort of thing is happening with increasing frequency. This area...semi-rural North Alabama...is one of the hot spots in the manufacture and importation of crystal meth. If you don't believe it, look at a DEA map and see the cluster of red dots over this area. A&E even did a special on us called "Meth Mountain." The driver of the other car was probably cranked out of his mind on meth, but his intent was evident. I've done some work with addicts and their stories are harrowing...the hallucinations can be bizarre. Meth may have been the reason, but so what? He was a danger to someone and violence,sadly, may have been the only solution. To someone in that condition pepper spray, lights, whistles or whatever are barely distractions. Do you know who started making it and how meth came into use? The Japanese used to to hype their soldiers for the infamous "Banzai" charges. The only way to reason with them was at the point of a gun. A lot of the "stay awake" stuff our guys in Vietnam used was meth....that stuff actually eats holes in your brain. Is it any wonder some of them were permanently damaged?

That got a little wordy, but the point I'm trying to make is that when all other defenses are exhausted, nothing ever has taken (or will take) the place of a small personal defense weapon. Sometimes you don't have the luxury of trying other defenses, either. Immediate use of that weapon is required to save lives.

When mom got home she was asking me about buying a gun not only for herself but also for my two sisters and their daughters. Fast forward this event to 2010...they wouldn't be allowed to buy a handgun, and ONLY a handgun will fill the need. Everyone who will have a legitimate need to purchase a handgun may not have that need before 2010.

A lot of the scenarios posit meeting gun usage with gun usage, but the idea is that you need a trump card. Not all violence against victims involves firearms, as can be seen in what I described above. Had the situation ended with my mom pulling over and being attacked by a psychotic meth abuser, a firearm may have been her last (and only) resort.

That's why the sale of handguns shouldn't be banned after 2010
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Why have a handgun that is hard to see and easy to conceal unless you intend to use it for illegal purposes?
Because when it's NOT concealed, drooling products of incest and foetal alcohol syndrome call the police to report a "man with a gun". Explain to me why I'd be LESS likely to be hassled by spineless ninnies (and consequently the police they call) when they see my 16" AR15 carbine than when they see a Glock 19.

Of course that totally leaves aside the danger to innocent bystanders. I ONLY carry expanding ammunition of some sort in my handguns that I conceal so that there is less danger of a through and through that harms a bystander. What do you think is more likely to totally pass through an assailant, .40 S&W from a handgun or 7.62x39mm from a rifle?

Apparently you also don't believe in defending oneself from within an automobile. Or do you think we should have a firing port in the driver's side door, and a loaded rifle resting in your lap all of the time (kind of tough with a 30 round magazine).
 
<blockquote>So give me the other reasons as to why prohibiting further sales of handguns made after 2010 would be a bad thing?</blockquote>

First it would infringe upon our 2nd amendment rights and I think that in it's self if enough of a reason.

I would ask you to come up with a few logical reasons why they should be.
 
It involves using mind and hand/eye coordination to direct an object to a predetermined target, just like golf, bowling, baseball, etc.

Wow I never thought of it like that before. That's a great description/comparison!

to be fair I own handguns but favor rifles for shooting, home defense and hunting.

So you think that defending yourself with a rifle is ok, but defending yourself with a handgun isn't? Oh and rifles are just as "made for killing" as handguns are. Your logic has some serious flaws.
 
So give me the other reasons as to why prohibiting further sales of handguns made after 2010 would be a bad thing?
So give me the other reasons as to why prohibiting voting for people born after 2010 would be a bad thing?

So give me the other reasons as to why prohibiting freedom of speech for people born after 2010 would be a bad thing?
 
"handguns are made for killing they ain't much good for nothing else."
That is the point of having one. If handguns were'nt made for killing I wouldn't own one. It would be a useless peice of expensive metal. And BTW, I think Skynyrd wrote that just to pick up on some free hippie love.
 
I think it is safe to say that more people have been killed by long guns then handguns.

Not sure if it plays into the OP scenario, but it must be true.

Leroy
 
Because the #1 reason for gun ownership in the United States is for defensive purposes, and because handguns are a leading choice for that role (and the only easily portable choice).

What do you think most lawfully owned guns in the U.S. are owned for? Hunting? Fewer than 1 in 5 U.S. gun owners hunts.

Besides, the Supreme Court in U.S. v. Heller explicitly held that handgun ownership is protected under the Second Amendment. A handgun ban is not going to happen, and would not be obeyed in this country even if it did.
 
Harder to hold up a 7 eleven store when your walking in with a clearly visible rifle/shotgun straped across your back.

Are you kidding? First of all, you'd be holding the rifle as you walked into the 7 Eleven. Second, if I were the clerk, I'd be far more afraid of a perp with a rifle than a perp with a handgun. How is it at all harder to rob a store with a rifle? I'd imagine it'd be much easier.
 
Alright...I'll say it. Too much time has been wasted on this anti-gun troll disguising himself as a gun owner.

I don't mean to be rude, but...come on. His entire premise is ridiculous. His arguments hold as much water as a slotted spoon and have been discussed, ad nauseum, here and elsewhere for years. If the OP doesn't know the answer as to why his arguments are ludicrous and without merit then, in my opinion, he's not here for "serious discussion" and he certainly isn't pro-gun. He's here for one reason only. That reason would be a lame attempt to divide and conquer.

Try to sell your BS elsewhere, Buildit. Speaking only for me, I ain't buying.
 
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