"unreasonable amount of ammunition" What the heck is this?

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Police: Armed Ex-Wal-Mart Employee Arrested in Texas Store

May 1: This booking photo released by the Austin, Texas, Police Department shows Edward William Eberle, 51, a former Wal-Mart employee.

AUSTIN, Texas — A former Wal-Mart employee was arrested in the crowded store he once worked at, armed with a 9 mm handgun and an "unreasonable amount of ammunition" that police believe he intended to use, according to arrest affidavits.

The wife of Edward William Eberle, 51, called 911 around 3 p.m. Thursday after finding a note he left telling her: "I have chosen a life in prison. ... I'll try to die soon. Please return my library book and walk Cassie," the Austin American-Statesman reported in its online edition Monday.

Eberle also sent a text messages to his sister telling her he loved her but didn't want any visitors or letters, and urging her to turn her television on, according to the affidavits. In a note, he also gave his wife permission to "sell any story you wanna tell."

About two hours after his wife called authorities, police found Eberle in the Wal-Mart, which the affidavit said was teeming with customers and employees.

Police said he had a gun near his chest and an "unreasonable amount of ammunition, leading one to believe that he had the intentions of using the handgun and ammunition he had in his possession."

Eberle was charged with making a terroristic threat and unlawfully carrying a weapon in a place that is licensed to sell alcohol. The felony charges carry up to 10 years in prison each.

Police said they didn't know if Eberle had an attorney. They told The Associated Press he had an Austin address, but there was no phone number listed under Eberle's name in several area directories.

Eberle had worked at the Wal-Mart from September until March, according to police affidavits.
 
Eberle was charged with making a terroristic threat and unlawfully carrying a weapon in a place that is licensed to sell alcohol.

They can SAY all they want, but those charges don't include it so it's just someone running their mouth for the press.
But yeah it's a dumb thing to say. Hope they don't ever see my garage......
 
Depends on what your up to I suppose. If your up to no good, even one round is unreasonable to me.

If your at the range next to me, having more ammo than myself is clearly unreasonable.
 
Carrying an unreasonable amount of ammo means not lifting with your legs, or failing to ask a buddy to help when you are moving more than 70lbs or so at a time. He could have resolved all of this with one of the handy shopping carts. :D
 
Naw I laughed at it a little too, despite the muddled threat of crowd-shooting he was implying. And I think "unreasonable" amount of ammunition is less than three boxes per caliber, putting me in the "unreasonable" category for my .45 and .357s, not counting the .38 for them.
 
I can't help but think his spree might not have been that much of a spree. But then again, it was Austin.
 
Jeebus, I don't know where to begin on this one.

1. nevermind...

there are so many unrevealed facts, stupid phrases used by the police, and a predictable unintended consequence of Patriot Act and "anti-terrorism" laws that I'd just raise my BP for no good reason.

Clearly the guy was up to no good, and should have at least been questioned, and probably arrested, but not because of the amount of ammo - because of his ACTIONS - what he said. One round of ammo is too much when he's taken those actions (words spoken being a subset of action).
 
I think it's pretty obvious the guy had plans to go on a shootign spree, so I think its great the wife called 911, and they got to him before he did anything. since otheres have covered the stupid "unreasonable amount of ammo" thing, I'll ask this: Is it illegal in TX to carry in a place that sells alcohol that isnt to be consumed on premisis? I thought only bars, resteraunts (with maybe some % of sale stipulation) etc, were banned there. Can you really not carry in a walmart or grocery store that sell alcohol in TX?
I would suspect they were just trying to quickly toss some charges at him to make the bail higher, and while they see what else to charge him with thats more likely to stick in a trail, but it seems like that charge is just totally bogus from the start.

please note, I'm not saying they shouldnt charge hime with everyhting they can to keep him locked up, as he is obviosly at danger, but I am just not a fan of seeing people charged with something they know darn well is completely bogus and will never stick. Just seems like an VERY easily abused policy to me. Kinda like, I was actaully guilty of jaywalking, but becasue they want to lock me up or cost me money, they charge me with burglery or something they know is bogus just to either screw me or buy time. I just think they should have to charge people only with things they reasonably beleive to be accurate, and unless I'm mistaken, that charge isnt one. I would have to think theres plent of other stuff thats much more legit they could have used to jack up bail, buy time, etc.

Minor beef in detail I guess, but anytime I see someone arrested/charged with obviosly bogus stuff just to jack up bail, or to have plea bargin leverage, etc it bugs me. Too easily abused. There should be no problem only charging people with things its reasonable to prove they actually did. A good example was the Army Reserves guy from Arfcom in CA with the whole off list lower, theft of govt property, ect fiasco. He ends up getting all the bogus charges dropped, which was like 13 or so, but it cost a fortune and many months. Same situation there, many of them were obviously outright bogus, and were used for intimidation, high bail, things to drop to get him to plea, etc.

Again.Job job on the wife's and LEO's part on this one.
 
I thought only bars, resteraunts (with maybe some % of sale stipulation) etc, were banned there. Can you really not carry in a walmart or grocery store that sell alcohol in TX?

I was curious about that too. Was the most interesting thing in the article to me.
 
carrying a weapon in a place that is licensed to sell alcohol.

some have an ATM machine does that make it a bank?
 
Why would you plan on a shooting spree and tell the World about it - then wait two hours before you took action?

Sounds like a major cry for attention for some reason.

More to come I am sure. :confused:
 
I'll ask this: Is it illegal in TX to carry in a place that sells alcohol that isnt to be consumed on premisis?
Yes, if you do not have a CHL.

Every location that sells alcohol is required to post a sign that says something to the effect of "The unlicensed possession of a weapon on these premesis is a felony punishable by X fine and Y years in prison"

If he is being charged with this offense then he did not have a CHL and was illegally carrying his firearm.

Otherwise, if you do have a CHL you can carry in a place that sells (not for consumption on premesis) or any place that sells less than 51% revenue
 
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I'll ask this: Is it illegal in TX to carry in a place that sells alcohol that isnt to be consumed on premisis? I thought only bars, resteraunts (with maybe some % of sale stipulation) etc, were banned there. Can you really not carry in a walmart or grocery store that sell alcohol in TX?
Is it possible that Texas uses this as an add on? In other words, you or I walking into Walmart with our CHLs and no criminal intent, don't run afoul of this law, but if you carry a gun in to Walmart (or some other establishment that sells alcohol) either without a permit and/or with "criminal intent" does that make it an extra crime?


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Instaposted by ClickClickD'oh and Shooter 57 :p

guess that answers my question.
 
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"I have chosen a life in prison. ... I'll try to die soon. Please return my library book and walk Cassie,"

Am I the only one that just had to laugh at this?

Just because the guy's a wannabee spree killer doesn't mean he's irresponsible. Late fees can add up in a hurry and it wouldn't be fair to take out your frustrations with the world on Cassie's bladder.
 
Texas is not an open carry state, and so I do not know what that charge was about. Unless he had a CHl he was illegal to be carrying a pistol. Any amount of ammunition that guy had was an unreasonable amount.

Jerry
 
Texas is not an open carry state, and so I do not know what that charge was about. Unless he had a CHl he was illegal to be carrying a pistol.

I believe, but someone might want to check, that the mandatory or minimum sentence for carrying where alcohol is served is greater than just generally carrying without a CHL.

They are charging the higher penalty crime, which makes sense if you want to lock the guy up longer.
 
Texas is not an open carry state, and so I do not know what that charge was about.
Double whammy.

It's illegal to carry a firearm in Tx without a license. It's extra illegal to carry a firearm in Tx without a license, and into a place that sells alcohol.
 
There's also the risk that Wal-Mart will overreact and ban carrying in their stores.
 
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