UPS "Store"

[MAKster]

The section (a) requirement to declare that your package contains a firearm unless you are sending it to an FFL is odd since I believe it is illegal to send a firearm interstate to anyone other than an FFL in the first place. I think the only way you can send a firearm interstate to someone other than an FFL is when you ship it to yourself when going on a trip.

 

[woad_yurt]

It's not UPS policy only....

The following legalese has some extra phrases which seem to derail some folks:

(a) No person shall knowingly deliver or cause to be delivered to
any common or contract carrier for transportation or shipment in
interstate or foreign commerce to any person other than a licensed
importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector,
any package or other container in which there is any firearm or
ammunition without written notice to the carrier that such firearm or
ammunition is being transported or shipped

Here is what it's saying regarding the shipper:

No person (you) shall knowingly deliver to any contract carrier (UPS, Fedex, etc) any package or container in which there is any firearm or ammunition without written notice to the carrier

Or, in human:

You not telling them that there's a gun or some ammo in the box equals you committing a federal crime.

 

[EOD Guy]

It's not UPS policy only....
The following legalese has some extra phrases which seem to derail some folks:

(a) No person shall knowingly deliver or cause to be delivered to
any common or contract carrier for transportation or shipment in
interstate or foreign commerce to any person other than a licensed
importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector,
any package or other container in which there is any firearm or
ammunition without written notice to the carrier that such firearm or
ammunition is being transported or shipped

Here is what it's saying regarding the shipper:

No person (you) shall knowingly deliver to any contract carrier (UPS, Fedex, etc) any package or container in which there is any firearm or ammunition without written notice to the carrier

Or, in human:

You not telling them that there's a gun or some ammo in the box equals you committing a federal crime.

Only if you are shipping a firearm to other than than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, in other words, an unlicensed individual. Notification is not legally required if shipping to a licensee. You left out the bold part in your reply.

Ammo shipment comes under Department of Transportation regulations (49 CFR) and notification must be made 100% of the time.

 

[Darthbauer]

UPS wouldn't even let me ship and airsoft M4 unless it was taken down into its smallest parts. They were freaking out over the thing. I went to a Kinko's and Fedex shipped it no problem.

 

[woad_yurt]

I don't think sooo....

EOD Guy:
It's one of those double negative things. When shipping to a licensee, you gotta say there's a gun in the box. A whole, other law in another section says you can only ship to a licensee. Read the thing; follow it through. Do it like algebra.

In this case, 'tis indeed a crime, sir.

 

[sonyhoppes]

Wrong.

 

[vis-à-vis]

This is pretty much unrelated to the topic at hand, but I work at the main UPS hub (specifically 1 day air ops) in America and whenever a package comes through that I know is a firearm, I secretly hope the box rips open so I can have me a peek.

Unfortunately the thing that will make my day uber interesting, never happens.

 

[MAKster]

Is "other than licensed importer...." refering to the receiver or the sender?

 

[Soybomb]

EOD Guy:
It's one of those double negative things. When shipping to a licensee, you gotta say there's a gun in the box. A whole, other law in another section says you can only ship to a licensee. Read the thing; follow it through. Do it like algebra.

In this case, 'tis indeed a crime, sir.

We need a bot to paste this in every shipping thread because they always wind up like this

 

[woad_yurt]

EOD Guy and sonyhoppes:

You're right. Color me chagrined.

 

[American_Pit_Bull]

Posted by MAKster:
The section (a) requirement to declare that your package contains a firearm unless you are sending it to an FFL is odd since I believe it is illegal to send a firearm interstate to anyone other than an FFL in the first place. I think the only way you can send a firearm interstate to someone other than an FFL is when you ship it to yourself when going on a trip.

In states that allow private sales, that do not involve an FFL or NICS check, the feds do not care if you ship the firearm to a resident of your own state. I have spoken to the ATF about this specific matter and the response that I received was "If it's not crossing state lines, you can ship it to them however you want."

 

[Dave A]

I tried to ship a .44 cap and ball revolver through the local UPS "store" and was told to take it to the local hub shipping point. There I was told that it must be shipped "next day air" because it was a handgun. No amount of explanation would convince them otherwise.

 

[EOD Guy]

The section (a) requirement to declare that your package contains a firearm unless you are sending it to an FFL is odd since I believe it is illegal to send a firearm interstate to anyone other than an FFL in the first place. I think the only way you can send a firearm interstate to someone other than an FFL is when you ship it to yourself when going on a trip.

There are many exceptions to the regulation that allow shipment to unlicensed individuals.

A few are return of a firearm to the owner after repair, shipments of bequests from an estate, shipments to law enforcement agencies, shipments to law enforcement or military officers for official use, shipments by the CMP, etc, etc, etc.

I tried to ship a .44 cap and ball revolver through the local UPS "store" and was told to take it to the local hub shipping point. There I was told that it must be shipped "next day air" because it was a handgun. No amount of explanation would convince them otherwise.

A cap and ball revolver qualifies as an "antique" firearm and you could have mailed it through the USPS.

 

[buck00]

Two week go by and my buyer is hot. He never received the shotgun. I go to the UPS "store" and find out that they did not ship the shotgun. They had openned the package and were holding on to it.

Hmm, and Bob the manager couldn't take 2 minutes to call you to inform you of their decision?

I know UPS asks what you are shipping- better to tell them a $70 golf club next time.