AirForceShooter
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I'm looking for the regs that allow you to ship a BP by Mail.
did a search and it didn't come up
thanks
AFS
did a search and it didn't come up
thanks
AFS
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bigbadgun
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you can always use UPS I dont know if you can with USPS
Im283
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UPS or Fed-Ex no problems, dunno about USPS
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Well, they'vd damn sure got some regs there somewhere on it because BP is classified as an explosive...Okay...
Also, when you order BP substitute, caps or primers Cabela's will charge you a $20.00 hazardous shipping fee and explain to you that those items are non-returnable and must be shipped by ground. They ship by UPS truck. I can guarantee you that the United States Postal Service has plenty of regulations concerning the shipping of any of the above mentioned items. As far as real blackpowder goes? Hell, the USPS may not even ship it under any conditions and on top of that they may put your name on a list you don't want it to be on. Anyway, I can also guarantee you that you'll get your name AND your ass somewhere you don't want it to be if you try to sneak it through and get caught..A word to the wise...Okay...
ADD ON---Also sir, I believe that when you go into any U.S. Post office, if you look around real good you will be a placard on the wall in there somewhere explaining the rules and regulations concerning what may and may not be shipped through the U.S. Postal Service. I believe that placard has quite a bit to say about explosives, explosive devices, etc........
Also, when you order BP substitute, caps or primers Cabela's will charge you a $20.00 hazardous shipping fee and explain to you that those items are non-returnable and must be shipped by ground. They ship by UPS truck. I can guarantee you that the United States Postal Service has plenty of regulations concerning the shipping of any of the above mentioned items. As far as real blackpowder goes? Hell, the USPS may not even ship it under any conditions and on top of that they may put your name on a list you don't want it to be on. Anyway, I can also guarantee you that you'll get your name AND your ass somewhere you don't want it to be if you try to sneak it through and get caught..A word to the wise...Okay...
ADD ON---Also sir, I believe that when you go into any U.S. Post office, if you look around real good you will be a placard on the wall in there somewhere explaining the rules and regulations concerning what may and may not be shipped through the U.S. Postal Service. I believe that placard has quite a bit to say about explosives, explosive devices, etc........
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Airforceshooter
Are you trying to mail black powder or a black powder gun because this can make a difference .
I just got off the phone with the USPS and was told that if you are shipping a pre 1898 weapon that does not fire rim fire or center fire ammo then you are in good shape and if you want insurance then you can mark anique firearm.
But if you are looking to mail black powder the stuff you put in the gun then you are out of luck.
Are you trying to mail black powder or a black powder gun because this can make a difference .
I just got off the phone with the USPS and was told that if you are shipping a pre 1898 weapon that does not fire rim fire or center fire ammo then you are in good shape and if you want insurance then you can mark anique firearm.
But if you are looking to mail black powder the stuff you put in the gun then you are out of luck.
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AirForceShooter
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The Gun.
That was the orginal question.
AFS
That was the orginal question.
AFS
bigbadgun
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Well there you go AFS I hope I help a little.
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Yeah, that's right.
Air Force Shooter if you'll go back and check your post you'll find you only said BP. That's why I told you that stuff.
BBG is right. There are no regs on shipping a blackpowder firearm. Sorry I misunderstood what you meant...Okay...
Air Force Shooter if you'll go back and check your post you'll find you only said BP. That's why I told you that stuff.
BBG is right. There are no regs on shipping a blackpowder firearm. Sorry I misunderstood what you meant...Okay...
Macmac
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So he missed a little detail. details details details..
My system crashed last night and the "EEK" smiley won't work. I am just kiddin around..
My system crashed last night and the "EEK" smiley won't work. I am just kiddin around..
scrat
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i have had two bp guns sent 1 by fedex and the other by ups. The ups was not old. it was a brand new cva buckhorn.
USPS is perfectly legal for shipping BP (original or repro) or other antique long-guns or handguns. Metellic Cartridge handguns must have been made before 1 JAN 1899 for a non-licensee to ship it via US Mail.
http://www.usps.com/cpim/ftp/pubs/pub52.htm
http://www.usps.com/cpim/ftp/pubs/pub52.htm
Snaggletooth
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I have sent and received BP firearms through the US Postal Service. No problem.. Ive told them whar it is and offered to show them. I'm told that wouldnt be necessary
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Yes We do frown on Guns of any sort shown on Postal Premises. Loaded or unloaded. Remeber that only former postal employees shoot at the office. After the first round they have said they quit.
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Macmac
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BP to me means black POWDER. BPG might mean black powder gun....
The question is answered, but still you may mail a BP gun... You had better not mail POWDER!
The question is answered, but still you may mail a BP gun... You had better not mail POWDER!
I just called a supervisor at the post office and asked about shipment and they told me NO. Anything that can be fired in any fashion cannot be mailed except by a FFL. Non firing o k. I guess it's according to where you live. This is in East Ky. UPS told me the same thing but I still am going to call the Haz.Mat number for a ruling. Does anyone have that 1 800 no? These same people told me I could not ship ammo(UPS) until I called the Haz-mat no. and they said o k.
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Calling is about as pointless as asking gas station attendants. Research the laws and do what's legal. If they give you chaffe point out the laws and keep doing what what you were doing.
Long guns of any type can be mailed by anyone. The limitations are that the rifle/shotgun must be mailed to another person in the same state, or to the sender in another state, or to an FFL. So you can mail the gun to your coworker, or to yourself at the hunting lodge, or to an FFL (not just a dealer) across the country and you don't need an FFL.
Antique (per the legal definition) handguns can be mailed.
Modern cartridge handguns are the only guns that have serious mailing restrictions.
Long guns of any type can be mailed by anyone. The limitations are that the rifle/shotgun must be mailed to another person in the same state, or to the sender in another state, or to an FFL. So you can mail the gun to your coworker, or to yourself at the hunting lodge, or to an FFL (not just a dealer) across the country and you don't need an FFL.
Antique (per the legal definition) handguns can be mailed.
Modern cartridge handguns are the only guns that have serious mailing restrictions.
deanodog -
Why? The USPS regulations were posted verbatim in post no.11 on this thread. Quote them to the gentleman at the post office with whom you spoke, or offer to take them to him in person. The law is the law. Some little tin dictator (clerk) at the local PO is not the law. And if he still will not acknowledge his own written rules, ask to speak with the postmaster, and have him attend the session.
Why? The USPS regulations were posted verbatim in post no.11 on this thread. Quote them to the gentleman at the post office with whom you spoke, or offer to take them to him in person. The law is the law. Some little tin dictator (clerk) at the local PO is not the law. And if he still will not acknowledge his own written rules, ask to speak with the postmaster, and have him attend the session.
Macmac
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I don't go about to break the law either, and mailing a black powder replica is as legal as it gets.
No one even asks what's in the box. Just to make a smaller box, I pull the barrel, but I don't have to by law.
USPS is fedral in a funny way, but what is legal in NH is as legal in Ky, and even the left coast.
I hate to say this but you are making a problem over nothing. There is NO Law that prevents you from mailing a black powder replica..
The nitwhit you spoke with probably has no idea what a black powder gun is, in the first place, and all he heard was gun!
Put the gun in a box, tape it up, label it with to Whom and from whom, insure it, pay for tracking it and send it.
No one is going to ask what is in the box in the first place. If they do you can tell em none of yer bee's wax and or you can just say machined parts.
No one even asks what's in the box. Just to make a smaller box, I pull the barrel, but I don't have to by law.
USPS is fedral in a funny way, but what is legal in NH is as legal in Ky, and even the left coast.
I hate to say this but you are making a problem over nothing. There is NO Law that prevents you from mailing a black powder replica..
The nitwhit you spoke with probably has no idea what a black powder gun is, in the first place, and all he heard was gun!
Put the gun in a box, tape it up, label it with to Whom and from whom, insure it, pay for tracking it and send it.
No one is going to ask what is in the box in the first place. If they do you can tell em none of yer bee's wax and or you can just say machined parts.
jimrbto
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You can get the exact info needed at : //pe.usps.gov do a search for "firearms", when the results come up click on "DMM 601 Mailability"
read paragraph 11.1.1g, this defines what an antique is and includes all reproduction bp revolvers and pistols as long as they do not use cartridges.
Then read paragraph 11.2 = antiques may be mailed.
Another interesting read can be had at : www.thegunzone.com/ship-guns.html
Good luck
Jim
read paragraph 11.1.1g, this defines what an antique is and includes all reproduction bp revolvers and pistols as long as they do not use cartridges.
Then read paragraph 11.2 = antiques may be mailed.
Another interesting read can be had at : www.thegunzone.com/ship-guns.html
Good luck
Jim
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My daughter sells BP guns on GunBroker and ships all the guns USPS. There is no restrictions on USPS BP gun shipping. However be aware of State and Federal laws regarding the sales and shipping that you don't make an illegal shipment whether using UPS, FedEx, USPS or any other means.
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So, to Recap
AirforceShooter – Quiet as it’s kept, I live in beautiful, sunny, SoCal; where ordering a really rare steak means that happy cows are stuffed with drugs and fork-lifted to your table. But I digress…
In this state, as in a few others it does not pay to be paranoid; you need the whole set. Still, the best one can do, to be properly accountable to the law, on that level, is to ensure that the sender is following the laws for their state, and the recipient is following the laws for their own respective state.
So, unless you have a high clearance access, or know someone who does – and you are willing to abuse that access – the best you’ll likely be able to do is request verification of the buyer’s age.
The federal government does not give a puppy’s behind, if you send BP arms through their sanctioned mail systems. At least, so long as they’re not loaded, meet the requirements for BP, and yaddacetra, yaddacetra. Mp510 and jimbrto have helped, with some particulars, there.
In a nutshell: On a state level, make sure that you can send the things. Do what you can to reasonably assert the buyer’s eligibility to receive them (verify age and make sure that their state allows for the receipt of your goods). On a federal level, make sure that your items are clean, empty and meet BP requirements. You’ve read what Snaggletooth, mykeal, Macmac and Ed Ames have suggested.
You’ve mentioned that you have given up on sending the items. Hey, with state and federal laws in constant flux, as they are, no one dare call you on making that decision, for yourself. Maintaining your level of comfort means that you are listing to your own intuition. These days, it pays to keep that type of hearing fine-tuned.
Failing that, spend or pass on, the extra costs and send the items through UPS, or FedEx, like bigbadgun, scrat, mp510 and Im283 suggested.
Like the man says: You… Make the Call. And, the best of good luck to you, sir.
AirforceShooter – Quiet as it’s kept, I live in beautiful, sunny, SoCal; where ordering a really rare steak means that happy cows are stuffed with drugs and fork-lifted to your table. But I digress…
In this state, as in a few others it does not pay to be paranoid; you need the whole set. Still, the best one can do, to be properly accountable to the law, on that level, is to ensure that the sender is following the laws for their state, and the recipient is following the laws for their own respective state.
So, unless you have a high clearance access, or know someone who does – and you are willing to abuse that access – the best you’ll likely be able to do is request verification of the buyer’s age.
The federal government does not give a puppy’s behind, if you send BP arms through their sanctioned mail systems. At least, so long as they’re not loaded, meet the requirements for BP, and yaddacetra, yaddacetra. Mp510 and jimbrto have helped, with some particulars, there.
In a nutshell: On a state level, make sure that you can send the things. Do what you can to reasonably assert the buyer’s eligibility to receive them (verify age and make sure that their state allows for the receipt of your goods). On a federal level, make sure that your items are clean, empty and meet BP requirements. You’ve read what Snaggletooth, mykeal, Macmac and Ed Ames have suggested.
You’ve mentioned that you have given up on sending the items. Hey, with state and federal laws in constant flux, as they are, no one dare call you on making that decision, for yourself. Maintaining your level of comfort means that you are listing to your own intuition. These days, it pays to keep that type of hearing fine-tuned.
Failing that, spend or pass on, the extra costs and send the items through UPS, or FedEx, like bigbadgun, scrat, mp510 and Im283 suggested.
Like the man says: You… Make the Call. And, the best of good luck to you, sir.
Lots of comments and opinions. Thanks to all who replied. Would any or all be comfortable with sending your proof of your age if you were buying a bp online. My thinking is I am an old man that does not have the resources to fight postal inspectors in court. I know there was laws quoted and I agree with them but the post office regulations has to be respected also. If it is a postal policy I am not prepared to fight city hall. So That is why I wimped out and gave up.....Regards Deano
Macmac
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If I were a buyer i would have no problem scanning my drivers lic. I am 56 and get carded for beer in some stores. They card guys that look like St Pete, so I wouldn't have a problem.
Another thing you can do is look up Sportsman's Guide. They list states and any other address where BP guns can not be shipped, and I believe Cabela's does as well.
That way you would know if an address is at one of those areas, to not ship.
Basicly any place Cabela's and Sportmans Guide can ship you can ship to as well.
What I don't know is if a Buyer would get a noterized document stating age, and snail mail it in this day of instant, and or fax a copy.
Was your listing in the for sale area here? At this point I am curious as to what these BP guns are/were.
Another thing you can do is look up Sportsman's Guide. They list states and any other address where BP guns can not be shipped, and I believe Cabela's does as well.
That way you would know if an address is at one of those areas, to not ship.
Basicly any place Cabela's and Sportmans Guide can ship you can ship to as well.
What I don't know is if a Buyer would get a noterized document stating age, and snail mail it in this day of instant, and or fax a copy.
Was your listing in the for sale area here? At this point I am curious as to what these BP guns are/were.
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