US will not challenge gun ban in national parks

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WASHINGTON (AP) — WASHINGTON (AP) MATTHEW DALY The Obama administration says it will not appeal a federal court ruling that prohibits carrying loaded guns in national parks and wildlife refuges.
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Do judges and legislators completely ignore Heller? Heller, while very narrow, did confirm we the people have an individual RKBA. The 2A, which hopefully will be incorporated, was written specifically to restrain the federal gov't from infringing our rights. This specific case is a federal infringement.

It seems to me this is a clear infringement initiated by fed gov't as well as many fed laws we've not seen yet, such as a new AWB and others.

From a legal, not political standpoint, why are these types of issues so hard to fight off?
 
Yea, they think that CCWers will shoot eagles for fun and/or deposited lead and brass from shooting a bad guy will destroy mass amounts of protected land and ecosystems.:rolleyes:
 
This ban happened when an appointed Reagan administration bureaucrat took it upon himself to ban carry in national parks. It took 25 years for another administration to repeal that restriction. Now a federal judge has ruled against us. :mad:

For the life of me I cannot understand where gunowners were when this ban on was put in place in 1983.
 
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"For the life of me I cannot understand where gunowners were when this ban on was put in place in 1983."


Ummmmm, probably the same place they were when only a few states allowed CCW in 1983.
 
This is NOT over.... From the article.

"Instead, the Interior Department said it will conduct a full environmental review of an earlier policy that allowed concealed, loaded guns in parks and refuges."

"Kendra Barkoff, a spokeswoman for Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, said Friday that the department is not completely discarding the Bush rule. Instead, she said officials intend to complete a comprehensive environmental impact statement that analyzes the possible effects of the Bush rule, as well as a range of alternatives."

"The review is expected to take several months at least. In the meantime, 26-year-old restrictions that had been in place before the rule change remain in effect."

"Even without an appeal by the Obama administration, the court case probably will continue. The National Rifle Association has filed a separate appeal of the ruling. A spokesman has said the group will pursue all legal and legislative avenues "to defend the American people's right to self-defense."

"Meanwhile, lawmakers who support gun-owners' rights have introduced legislation to reinstate the Bush rule. Bills introduced by Sen. Mike Crapo and Rep. Doc Hastings, both Republicans, would allow citizens to carry concealed firearms in national parks and wildlife refuges. Crapo's bill is co-sponsored by Democrats Max Baucus and Jon Tester, as well Republican Sen. Robert Bennett. Two dozen House members, all but one Republican, have co-sponsored the bill in the House of Representatives. Rep. Glenn Nye is the sole Democrat to back the bill."

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Yea, they think that CCWers will shoot eagles for fun
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Personally, I think that if I can hit an eagle with the 642 I hike with, I should get to keep it as a trophy.:rolleyes:

I see eagles all the time -- in a place where we hunt! One of the world's largest concentrations of raptors is in the Snake River Birds of Prey NCA about 25 miles from me, and the conservation area is open (with some areas limited, but only for the safety of other visitors) to plinking and target shooting, varmint, bird and waterfowl hunting, and even deer hunting if you have the appropriate tag. We go there a lot to hike around, watch eagles do their thing, and hunt quail and grouse in season.

http://www.blm.gov/id/st/en/fo/four_rivers/special_areas/snake_river_birds.html

The whole notion is utterly silly.

Then again, the National Park system, as it's being run, is utterly silly in many cases.

There's absolutely zero reason why some areas can't be mixed-use, for example. And if the objective is to minimize all human impact, then why in hell do I go to Yosemite and find that trails are paved with asphalt?!?

Where were gun owners in 1983? Well, CCW was almost unheard-of then. The regulation was probably ignored by most gun owners, since the areas in question were closed to hunting anyway.
 
http://www.idahostatesman.com/nationalpolitics/story/735416.html

AP News said:
Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, which filed a lawsuit to block the Bush rule, said he was pleased at the Obama administration's decision.

"Semiautomatic weapons have no place in the valleys of Yellowstone, on the cliffs of Yosemite or under the torch of the Statue of Liberty," he said.

Helmke said the government should not spend any more resources analyzing the old Bush rule, but added: "We hope and expect that the Obama administration will conclude that the rule can only make our parks more dangerous and should not be implemented."
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this part of the article makes me feel really disgusted.
 
If I go camping or hiking in a national park this summer.
I WILL carry a handgun.
I don't have a CCW permit nor do I care what the bozos say
I can and can't do while in said park.

Will I kept this gun hidden? You bet.

You got to draw the line somewhere people.
I WILL defend myself in a nation park if two legged
creatures set out to do me and mine harm, 'thinking' we are unable to
defend ourselves from them. (Just like I would on the streets, or my home)...
I believe this happens more than reported too.
BGs prey on defenseless people, (in national parks)
just like predators in the animal kingdom prey on the weakest prey when hunting.

If I'm approached by some park ranger who wants to search my 'stuff'.
(Can they do that with-out a warrant?)
Well never mind, I'll refrain from stating what might go down.

Now someone will come along here and say:
"We don't advocate breaking laws here on THR."
Let me be clear.
I'm NOT suggesting anyone break any laws.
I'm just telling you what I'm prepared to do, if necessary,
to keep me and mine safe from predators of all kinds.

The fact that my president doesn't 'feel' my families lives
are important enough to him, to allow us to defend ourselves in national parks
is unconscionable.
Screw him, or any politician who thinks this way and supports this
blatant repression of our second amendment rights,
that takes away our ability to defend ourselves in national parks
(or anywhere for that matter).

With that said, common sense tells me (since this is law now)...
DON'T plan on going camping or hiking in national parks any longer. :rolleyes:
 
If I'm approached by some park ranger who wants to search my 'stuff'.
(Can they do that with-out a warrant?)
Well never mind, I'll refrain from stating what might go down.
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It sounds like you are advocating violence against a duly sworn law enforcement officer. Is that what you mean?

We need to get the ruling reversed, to allow for concealed carry, but I don't think threats and internet dick waving is going to help much.
 
If I'm approached by some park ranger who wants to search my 'stuff'.
(Can they do that with-out a warrant?)
Well never mind, I'll refrain from stating what might go down.
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If you're advocating violence, I don't want to be associated with you whatsoever. Either way, I can't advocate breaking the law like this. That will only make things harder on the rest of us.
 
What lovely memories. Hiking the national park, seeing the wildlife, having your dad get killed in a shootout after he shot a ranger as soon as he saw him. :uhoh: Then again, maybe it won't be so bad, maybe he'll only get arrested for murder.
 
I have never had confrontational problems with BG in a National Park. I HAVE had my vehicle trashed at a trail head. For the most part, BG want something... money, drugs, what-have-you. Most people more than a day hike from a parking lot do not have the "the stuff" that BGs are looking for. They don't seem willing to commit felonies over my camping gear. While the ruling is disappointing, I don't intend to commit a felony for fear of my life in the backcountry. I know the kinds of things that would lead to my own civil disobedience of gun laws (national registration, for example), but this is not one of them.
 
Are guns still allowed in national forests? (if said forest isn't also in a park.)
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I would hope so, since hunting is allowed in NFs. Anyone affected by this should ck. the specific area they are interested in. I believe only National parks ban guns[not cc,guns period] And not all do,at lest in Alaska-I can carry in Wrangell-St Elias NP,but not in Katmai NP[which is infested with brown bears-no thanks] The park rangers can carry bear medicine of course[and use motorized vehicle's] because well its their park,after all.
 
Wait, I thought some people here were claiming Obama would not infringe on gun rights???
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Actually, he won't stand in the way of regulation. That way he's not actively banning anything. Right?

for fear of my life in the backcountry
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You do know there's more than just two legged predators, right?
 
This...person...took an oath--twice!--to support & defend the Constitution! For that matter, so did /do folks in Congress.

Quote:
"Semiautomatic weapons have no place in the valleys of Yellowstone, on the cliffs of Yosemite or under the torch of the Statue of Liberty,"

There's one to think on...
 
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