Used Youth gun stock for 1100

[ROSCO]

Can someone steer me in the right direction. I would like to get a used wood stock to fit a Youth Model Remington LT 20 1100. It currently has a synthetic stock. I want to cut it down to make the LOP better for my 9 year old son.

Where can I get one and how much do they run?

Thanks.

 

[Dave McCracken]

Try Numrich....

 

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Dave's idea is great.

Are there any Skeet/ Trap clubs near you?
Sometimes these stocks are listed for sale on bulletin boards, the folks running the club know of folks, and even just contacting them you are looking for one, might turn up something.

 

[ROSCO]

Thank you both.
But...I have beat my head against the wall enough.... He tried to shoulder the gun again tonight, not only is it too long but too heavy as well. I would have to spend $400 to buy this 1100 from my cousin, then $$$ for a stock to modify and the gun is still too heavy at 6 1/2lbs. I give up on this gun...

I have looked at a new Beretta AL 391 Urika Youth auto. Real nice, Real pricey too! Also too long. I think the best move for me (and my son) to make is my original plan from last year. Go with the Mossberg 500 Super Bantam Combo 20ga Pump! It is only 5 1/4 lbs. Comes with two barrels. It has an adjustable lop from 12"-13" and a 50% off coupon for the full size stock. Yes it may kick more, but he has shot a single shot 20ga. off the bench many times and not once complained about the recoil. This little gun comes with all the bells and whistles and with room to grow for $325. If he doesn't use it, I can once I buy the full length stock.

Would I be making a mistake getting him a 20ga. pump to bird hunt and shoot skeet??

 

[SpiderJohn]

20 will do most everything a 12 will do. In my mind it comes down to personal preference. Pumps just take a little more work. If you are shooting doves so quick that you can't keep up with a pump gun, you will limit out in a matter of minutes.....
As far as skeet, pumps feel better to me, but my daughter likes semi autos. In both cases it is what we each learned with. Again, it is personal preference.

I say go for it. Get that kid shooting!!!

 

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ROSCO,
I really appreciate the parenting you are doing with your son, not only the shooting, the whole being a responsible firearm owner with a son as evidenced by gun fit to him.

Perhaps a 3/4 oz loading for 20 gauge will fit him best as well.
Dave is is one around here with a good recipe, others can chime in as well.

It is I that thanks you and your son.

Steve

 

[SpiderJohn]

good 7/8 oz load in a 20 (sorry Steve, can't help with a 3/4 oz):

Remington 20 gauge RTL hull (or similar)
Win 209 primer
22.3 grains of Hodgden LONGSHOT
WAA20 wad
7/8 oz shot

1300 fps. Only develops 7,500 psi and takes a good bit of time doing it. Talk about a mild load.

The little Spider that is photogenic really loves this load. We shoot skeet, and hunt dove with it.

I echo Steve in that I am also proud of you taking the time to find the right tool for your son. He will remember these days the rest of his life, it is up to you to make sure they are happy memories. Good on ya!

 

[toivo]

Mossberg now makes a model called the 505 (Youth), in 20-gauge or .410. It has a 12" LOP as opposed to the Bantam's 13". If you go with the Super Bantam, of course, you'll have the option of either length. The 505's have wood stocks, though, which some people prefer.

 

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ROSCO, Spider John, Dave,

What do you think about starting a New Thread on shotgun recipes for younger folks and letting this thread continue about needing a 1100 stock, gun fit and so on?

 

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ROSCO wrote:

Would I be making a mistake getting him a 20ga. pump to bird hunt and shoot skeet??

No.

Too many folks learn with, start out with, and use a 20 bore as first gun.

That said...

May we ask how old the young man is, and when you mention "bird hunt" what kind of "bird"?

I really really believe in the 28 gauge for teaching new shooters.
I don't care if they are Linebackers or young men and ladies.

Less perceived recoil, with the short shot string and all the qualities the 28 gauge has, it will break every target on a skeet field with authority, fell doves, quail,and other upland birds, small game like rabbit and squirrel, ...

I do understand the 28 gauge is going to cost more for a gun to shoot it in a repeating platform and the cost of shells, and perhaps getting into reloading to defray cost of shells.



So this 20 bore Bantam Combo 20ga Pump, is a LOT of gun for the money, and yes he can continue to use it with the adult stock later on, with a good recipe to fit him, is a Very Fine choice.


Do not hand this young man a 28 gauge, and for do not let him shoot one...

OK you have been warned,
you will not listen to me, and I will read how your son went nuts, is driving you nuts to buy him one,and often times this "want" runs rampant through a family...like YOU wanting one too.

But hey, I am going to get blamed for something/somethings anyway, Just a disclaimer I do...

Steve

 

[Schutzen]

Youth Shotguns

Look before you leap! There are several very good youth shotguns on the market. Mossberg is one, but they tend to have heavier felt recoil. Look into the Remington 870 Youth; it also comes as a comb package with a slug barrel. The Browning BPS Youth Model, the Winchester 1300 Youth Model (out of production, but some are still on the shelf), the Stoger Condor Youth Model, and the Charles Day 20ga Auto Youth Model. I chose the Remington 870 Youth Model for my sons, but purchased a Remington 1100 wooden stocked model for my daughter. Unfortunately the 1100 with the wooden stock has been out of production for 10-15 years. Right now, I would look very hard at the Stoger Condor Youth Model. They are $299 at my local Gander Mountain Store. All of these guns will benefit from having the forcing cones opened. The felt recoil is less and the patterns are better. It is a lot of help to a young shooter. A good fitting, moderate recoiling 20 ga will cost several hundred dollars. The money will be well spent. You and your son will have many pleasant memories from your days on the range and a field. They are great places to teach a young boy how to be a responsible young man.

 

[Striker]

Roscoe,

Where are you in VA? NoVA here.

I have access to an 1100 light twenty with a youth stck and a 23" bbl set up for skeet. It is not for sale, but would be glad to let you and your son check it out/shoot it to see if it is the way you want to go.

 

[scout26]

A few weeks back at the Hunters Ed course I was teaching a father with his 12-14 year old daugther button-holed me at one of the breaks and he asked me what shotgun he should buy for his daughter.

I told him "I don't know." "But what I would do is take her to ______Gun Shop and _____ ______ Sporting Goods where they both have a great selection of shotguns, especially youth or bantam shotguns." I also (Steve would be proud) told him about the 28 ga (both good: weight/recoil and bad: ammo cost). I also gave him my number and told them to meet me on any Sunday afternoon and she could try my daughters 500 Bantam in 20ga. I explained what to look for as for as fit and ended the conversation (break was over) with "Buy her the gun that she wants, then she'll shoot it, alot, and with you."

I recommend the same have your son try out (not just shoulder, but shoot, if possible) as many different shotguns (since he's only nine, avoid 12ga stick with 20ga light loads or 28ga target loads) as you can find. Then buy him the one that he says is the one that he likes/fits him best.

Schutzen has listed just about every youth/bantam model on the market. Try out as many as you can find (sounds like a great scavenger hunt !!!)

 

[Striker]

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[waterhouse]

I don't know what they cost in your area (they can be pricey online, but I got one of mine for about $200 at a pawn shop) but if weight is an issue you might want to consider an Ithaca 37 featherweight in 20. I think they are under 5 pounds, and have wooden stocks that can be shortened to fit your son.

I got my first one when I was pretty small, and later I got a larger stock, but I still use the same gun 20 years later.

 

[another okie]

Lots of companies make synthetic youth or cadet length stocks for 1100s. I installed one on my 1100 heavy frame 20 for my wife, and another on an Ithaca for my sister-in-law. (We're trying to keep the women-folk interested in shooting.) They generally 60 to 100 dollars, which is cheaper than another shotgun. Cadet, Ramline, Speedfeed, and Remington themselves all make youth stocks.

 

[Tom Held]

Jaquas Has One

Jaquas has a nice Winchester 120, 20 gauge youth pump listed on their site for $150 and it's a DU gun with a little engraving. Good starter gun for a youngster. Tom

 

[ROSCO]

ROSCO,
I really appreciate the parenting you are doing with your son, not only the shooting, the whole being a responsible firearm owner with a son as evidenced by gun fit to him.

Perhaps a 3/4 oz loading for 20 gauge will fit him best as well.
Dave is is one around here with a good recipe, others can chime in as well.

It is I that thanks you and your son.

Steve

Thank you for the kind words Steve. I appreciate it!
It really is ALL about my kids. I started my son out with a single shot .410 to learn gun safety when he was 6. He has developed into a very responsible little fellow, now 9 years old.
I took him deer hunting twice with a slug in the little .410.. He did not care much for deer hunting, but he did tell me that he enjoyed spending the day with me in the outdoors. Hearing him say that made me very proud.

My own passion is archery and bowhunting whitetail deer and turkey... I used to spring gobbler hunt with my 870, now I have traded it for my bow too. I'm not as much into guns, hence all of my questions.

Last year I took him for his first dove hunt, again using his .410 shotgun. He hit two birds, nocked a few feathers off but they kept on flying til the next hunter shot them. During the hunt he kept telling me how much fun it was to be able to talk and move around a bit while hunting. Again he told me how much fun he had with me spending time in the outdoors, he and another young fellow were our retrievers for the day. They enjoyed picking up the shot birds from the field. After that day he has asked alot of questions about the different types of birds and ducks that we have to hunt in Virginia.

As much as I wanted a partner to bowhunt deer with, it looks like I'll be learning how to call ducks this fall.

Sorry for getting off topic, I really wanted to reply to all of you that helped out with all the information and insight on the youth shotgun.

I think the new thread is a great idea. The more information about youth shotguns,loads,etc.. is going to help alot of parents make smarter more educated decisions for their kids.

 

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ROSCO,

One more time... It is I that thanks you.

I grew up reading Ruark , and this includes of course The Old Man And The Boy and the sequel.
I could not wait for the Field & Stream to arrive, or a Mentor show up with one, as I HAD to turn to Ruark's works.

These stories are the Stories in TOMATB. Oh sure there are guns, dogs, hunting, fishing and all in the works, it is the MANY life lessons intertwined in these stories that mean so much to me, and countless others boy and girls, and ladies and gents.

Young ladies and gents over the years:

Deer hunting is pretty cool, but you have to stay quiet and not move much...
and it is a long way down there once you get in a stand...

Duck hunting is neat, but it does get wet, cold and wet, mud stinks and you cannot look up 'cause ducks can see your eyeballs from a long way off.

Dove hunting is so cool! You can move around, talk, even yell! It is pretty neat being able to burp , fart and scratch while out hunting doves...



I'm the big kid with a mustache out with kids and new shooters out dove hunting , often times without a shotgun of my own.
It ain't about me, it is about the kids, the learning, the passing forward the dogs and all.

Memories:
Ladies and kids on first hunt ever, dove hunting.
This lady makes a super shot on a dove with afterburners on and everyone cheers.
"How far did you lead that bad boy?" - she was asked
"About 3 ex husbands..."

I am assisting a young lady, she does everything textbook, and waits until the last moment to mount gun to face and shoots dove coming right as us.
She safes the gun, hands to me, which I hand to another lady.
She does this dance, " I am gooood" and then she and a dog races out to get her dove,

Skipping and dancing with her dove and "Uh huh, I'm bad, I'm good , I got shotgun and dove fever something awful".

Her mom (cracking up, her first hunt too) "What did you do to my daughter" she asked
"Not sure, I sorta like it, sure hope I can remember what I did to do it again to other kids". - I said.

Why do I not take a gun dove hunting most times?
I am having too much fun, laughing my butt off, and sappy moments make my eyes water.
Shotgun would just get in the way...

We let the kids shoot first, and as agreed the mom's shoot next.
Safety and easier to just let one or the other group shoot.

One young man said " I betcha I can get mom to miss..." he had this evil grin.
Dove come near mom and the mom is getting ready to shoot...
"MoOm , the dog farted in the car and it really stinks in there".
MOm missed big time, she was laughing too hard...

We use a lot of 1100 in 28 ga, 28 guage 870s , Beretta 20 gauges and add some Win 1400s in 20 ga for doves.

Kids may only be big enough for a .410 single shot, still as I share they understand all about the .410.
Get bigger and the single shot 28 ga.

LOTs of dove hunting with kids using single shots, .410s and 28s and adults using .410 and 28 ga single shots as well.

It is the getting out, and all about the kids, new shooters.
WE adults do not expect to hunt, or shoot, these kids and new folks get all the attention.

If...if they take a break, we may shoot and do so with same guns ( often with their guns, so we don't have to tote one) to keep everything the same, lead by example and instill we mean it, when we share what we do about guns, shooting, pattern boards, correct basics and all.


Steve